Alex Kennedy: Raps willing to package Ross + JV to land a star

[NorthernNemesis]

Well it would have to be a star from a non-playoff team. The only REAL stars on non-playoff teams right now are Boogie, Carmelo, Anthony Davis, Hayward (ish), and Wiggins.

Carmelo - just no for obvious reasons
KD / Westbrook - untouchable
Anthony Davis - untouchable
Hayward - not a position of need
Wiggins - Franchise player
Boogie - The only realistic trade option

LMFAO HAYWARD? what u on bro?

[agentzero2010]

aldridge ?
klay thompson ?
the gasols ?
noah ?
griffin?
Jordan?
nowitzki
melo ?
durant or westbrook?
Lots a guys could be
lots of teams could use a good young center and sg

Nope.
Nope.
Injury prone.
Please no.
Too Old and no.
Nope.
Double No.

The only feasible and definitive star that we could get with JV and Ross would be Cousins because he is upset with the kings organization but i highly doubt they would trade away a top 10 franchise player in the league.

[agentzero2010]

I know this might seem awkward and unlikely at first but this could work out for both teams:

Toronto: Bosh (20 million)
Miami: Hayes + Fields + Amir + 2015 first round pick + 2 2nd round picks

The biggest hurdle is probably Pat Riley and the second is convincing Bosh to leave Miami and come back to Toronto. This trade would allow them to clear decks and jump start a complete rebuild because lets face it, they are not going anywhere with their current lineup. As hard as it is to trade Amir, Bosh is an upgrade in nearly every category: scoring, defense, experience and leadership. I know Bosh is having a "bad year" and his team is struggling but some of it has to do with fatigue, lack of talent and inconsistencies in their lineups with injuries.

Another reason why I would do this trade is because despite our recent success, Toronto is still one of the lesser known markets in the league and Star free agents are still reluctant to come to Toronto and also their agents probably want them to stay in the US market. If you go down the list of upcoming free agents, I cant see any one of them realistically joining the raptors. Bosh is still a top 10 PF in the league and he's still only 30 years old.

Lowry/DeRozan/Ross/Bosh/JV
Vasquez/Lou/JJ/Patterson

[nitrous]

I know this might seem awkward and unlikely at first but this could work out for both teams:

Toronto: Bosh (20 million)
Miami: Hayes + Fields + Amir + 2015 first round pick + 2 2nd round picks

The biggest hurdle is probably Pat Riley and the second is convincing Bosh to leave Miami and come back to Toronto. This trade would allow them to clear decks and jump start a complete rebuild because lets face it, they are not going anywhere with their current lineup. As hard as it is to trade Amir, Bosh is an upgrade in nearly every category: scoring, defense, experience and leadership. I know Bosh is having a "bad year" and his team is struggling but some of it has to do with fatigue, lack of talent and inconsistencies in their lineups with injuries.

Another reason why I would do this trade is because despite our recent success, Toronto is still one of the lesser known markets in the league and Star free agents are still reluctant to come to Toronto and also their agents probably want them to stay in the US market. If you go down the list of upcoming free agents, I cant see any one of them realistically joining the raptors. Bosh is still a top 10 PF in the league and he's still only 30 years old.

Lowry/DeRozan/Ross/Bosh/JV
Vasquez/Lou/JJ/Patterson

I have actually wanted Bosh back since Lebron left Miami. Bosh has improved as a player since his time in Toronto and now also brings a 3 point shot and championship experience.

Our overall lineup is quite different from when Bosh was last here most notably we have an All-star pointguard and a bench in addition to another All-star in Demar. Altogether we have a "big 3" and arguably a big 4 with JV.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Kennedy is not a reliable source. The problem now is that idiot bloggers take a claim by Kennedy and fap and fap about it like it might have truth. It's just about generating hits for secondary or tertiary sites that need the traffic to get some ad revenue.

If it doesn't come from ESPN, Yahoo, etc, or on occasion, a good local beat writer, it has no foundation and is either an outright lie, or some agent playing games with a guy he's going to need to drive the rumour mill just before the draft.

I think the media is right - the real media, not these self-appointed and self-interested bloggers who overwrite about trade deadlines and the draft. The Raps are not likely to do anything this week.

If they do, my bet is they will deal an expiring and our 2015 draft pick, but nothing of substance goes off our roster.

I agree, and I think we are modelling a bit like Atlanta for team strategy/execution instead of a star player.
As we saw the trade of Gay means we don't want star players to do what they want, we want players with team mentality, who would do what the coaches asked for.

I suppose we are similar to Atlanta in a lot of ways, as they built around Teague with stretch bigs, adding shooters in Korver providing alternate scoring, and a deep bench. We have Lowry who is a very good outside shooter who can get inside, adding slasher in DeRozan.

As a playoff team this year, I doubt we want to make big changes. Other than Ross being expandable due to playing the same position at SG with DeRozan and Lou dominating the minutes, I don't see we can expand anyone else.

I mean I'm pointing out the obvious but we didn't trade rudy gay because he was playing like a star, we dealt him because he was playing like a (selfish) scrub. At least when he was here.

That doesn't mean the raptors don't want legit star talent. One of the reasons you tank in the standings for picks is to get legit star talent. We trade tanking for wiggins only last year because he's Canadian and we assumed a star talent.

[cram]

Love Bosh, but not at his salary. Would much rather have Amir.

[sca]

Well it would have to be a star from a non-playoff team. The only REAL stars on non-playoff teams right now are Boogie, Carmelo, Anthony Davis, Hayward (ish), and Wiggins.

Carmelo - just no for obvious reasons
KD / Westbrook - untouchable
Anthony Davis - untouchable
Hayward - not a position of need
Wiggins - Franchise player
Boogie - The only realistic trade option

LMFAO HAYWARD? what u on bro?

Hayward would instantly become our second best player. He's playing very well.

[Jstock12]

Well it would have to be a star from a non-playoff team. The only REAL stars on non-playoff teams right now are Boogie, Carmelo, Anthony Davis, Hayward (ish), and Wiggins.

Carmelo - just no for obvious reasons
KD / Westbrook - untouchable
Anthony Davis - untouchable
Hayward - not a position of need
Wiggins - Franchise player
Boogie - The only realistic trade option

LMFAO HAYWARD? what u on bro?

Hayward would instantly become our second best player. He's playing very well.

Yep. He actually has a higher PER than Lowry this year. And the way Lowry's defense has been, Hayward might actually be a 1b option instead of the second option.

[Inevitable]

Well it would have to be a star from a non-playoff team. The only REAL stars on non-playoff teams right now are Boogie, Carmelo, Anthony Davis, Hayward (ish), and Wiggins.

Carmelo - just no for obvious reasons
KD / Westbrook - untouchable
Anthony Davis - untouchable
Hayward - not a position of need
Wiggins - Franchise player
Boogie - The only realistic trade option

LMFAO HAYWARD? what u on bro?

Hayward is better than DeMar

[Raptors-Son]

Ross + JV for Boogie. Lets get it done Masai.

I like it.


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[Indeed]

Kennedy is not a reliable source. The problem now is that idiot bloggers take a claim by Kennedy and fap and fap about it like it might have truth. It's just about generating hits for secondary or tertiary sites that need the traffic to get some ad revenue.

If it doesn't come from ESPN, Yahoo, etc, or on occasion, a good local beat writer, it has no foundation and is either an outright lie, or some agent playing games with a guy he's going to need to drive the rumour mill just before the draft.

I think the media is right - the real media, not these self-appointed and self-interested bloggers who overwrite about trade deadlines and the draft. The Raps are not likely to do anything this week.

If they do, my bet is they will deal an expiring and our 2015 draft pick, but nothing of substance goes off our roster.

I agree, and I think we are modelling a bit like Atlanta for team strategy/execution instead of a star player.
As we saw the trade of Gay means we don't want star players to do what they want, we want players with team mentality, who would do what the coaches asked for.

I suppose we are similar to Atlanta in a lot of ways, as they built around Teague with stretch bigs, adding shooters in Korver providing alternate scoring, and a deep bench. We have Lowry who is a very good outside shooter who can get inside, adding slasher in DeRozan.

As a playoff team this year, I doubt we want to make big changes. Other than Ross being expandable due to playing the same position at SG with DeRozan and Lou dominating the minutes, I don't see we can expand anyone else.

I mean I'm pointing out the obvious but we didn't trade rudy gay because he was playing like a star, we dealt him because he was playing like a (selfish) scrub. At least when he was here.

That doesn't mean the raptors don't want legit star talent. One of the reasons you tank in the standings for picks is to get legit star talent. We trade tanking for wiggins only last year because he's Canadian and we assumed a star talent.

I disagree for the obvious that Rudy Gay was playing like a scrub, as I don't see anyone else is better at that time. It was due to lack of spacing, particularly on the wing with DeRozan and Gay together.

As for the Raptors looking for a legit star, it doesn't mean that it comes from 2 legit players. There are many ways you can acquire a star players, such as FA. Tanking is not necessarily get you a star player. People complained about Bargnani, what about Anthony Bennett? And what did we get from a 20th pick? San Antonio traded George Hill for Leonard, which is how it should be done.

[Berserk_Raptor]

At this stage, we can't waste more time hoping JV turns into a game changer, we have to trade the future for the present. Remember, contenders barely rebuild.

[yodamaster]

At this stage, we can't waste more time hoping JV turns into a game changer, we have to trade the future for the present. Remember, contenders barely rebuild.

go big or go home.. trade for demarcus and lets win this thing.

[NorthernNemesis]

Well it would have to be a star from a non-playoff team. The only REAL stars on non-playoff teams right now are Boogie, Carmelo, Anthony Davis, Hayward (ish), and Wiggins.

Carmelo - just no for obvious reasons
KD / Westbrook - untouchable
Anthony Davis - untouchable
Hayward - not a position of need
Wiggins - Franchise player
Boogie - The only realistic trade option

LMFAO HAYWARD? what u on bro?

Hayward is better than DeMar

This is why we can't have nice things no one appreciates Demar. Hayward is better than Demar? get the **** outta here with that nonsense. Hayward could do NONE of the things Demar did last year in the playoffs the man plays well for a bit and he's better than Demar? I understand now why no one wants to stay on this team.

[Raps in 4]

LMFAO HAYWARD? what u on bro?

Hayward is better than DeMar

This is why we can't have nice things no one appreciates Demar. Hayward is better than Demar? get the **** outta here with that nonsense. Hayward could do NONE of the things Demar did last year in the playoffs the man plays well for a bit and he's better than Demar? I understand now why no one wants to stay on this team.

It's not like Demar has been a model of consistency. He's only had one good season in his career. Hayward has had one even better season. It's very fair to compare the two.

[Basketball_Jones]

Haywards having a fine season, and I do think he's probably a better player then Derozan nowadays. But this kind of stuff changes all the time. And he's making big money now compared to Derozan, so yeah I would hope he's the better player.

[cram]

Not sure anyone meant anything as a slam on Demar, as much as a compliment to Hayward

[Raps in 4]

I know this might seem awkward and unlikely at first but this could work out for both teams:

Toronto: Bosh (20 million)
Miami: Hayes + Fields + Amir + 2015 first round pick + 2 2nd round picks

The biggest hurdle is probably Pat Riley and the second is convincing Bosh to leave Miami and come back to Toronto. This trade would allow them to clear decks and jump start a complete rebuild because lets face it, they are not going anywhere with their current lineup. As hard as it is to trade Amir, Bosh is an upgrade in nearly every category: scoring, defense, experience and leadership. I know Bosh is having a "bad year" and his team is struggling but some of it has to do with fatigue, lack of talent and inconsistencies in their lineups with injuries.

Another reason why I would do this trade is because despite our recent success, Toronto is still one of the lesser known markets in the league and Star free agents are still reluctant to come to Toronto and also their agents probably want them to stay in the US market. If you go down the list of upcoming free agents, I cant see any one of them realistically joining the raptors. Bosh is still a top 10 PF in the league and he's still only 30 years old.

Lowry/DeRozan/Ross/Bosh/JV
Vasquez/Lou/JJ/Patterson

Why would Miami trade Bosh for expirings?

[Tomhomes33]

DeRozan, Val, 2015 1st, 2016 NY/DEN 1st, and Amir for Cousins and Thompson.

They get a potential all star, an all star, potentially a lotto pick, and another first, along with a good role playing expiring.

Cousins
Patterson
Johnson
Ross
Lowry

Terrible.

LOL what? DMC is a superstar, he could end up being the best player in the league. If you know anything about the NBA it's quality > quantity, You have two superstars with a great bench and you still have next years pick. Between Lowry, Ross, Vasquez, and Lou Williams the backcourt is set. Then you have expirings like Fields, Hayes, and Hansbrough that can be used along with the 2016 pick (since we're trying to win now) to pick up some players to play in the frontcourt.

Cousins/Thompson
Patterson/Hansbrough
Johnson/Fields
Ross/Lou
Lowry/Vasquez

Bad but that not the point
The point is throwing out these completely out of space trade ideas..completely joke and unrealistic.
Let me put this in capital letters for everyone to contemplate upon

MASAI WILL NOT TRADE FOR ANY CONTRACT THAT GOES BEYOND SUMMER 2016

Please read again,,think about it,,read again,.
Now post your trade scenarios please

If you need explanation check what Raps coaching staff went with on the record

(Only exceptions is if Masai pulls rabbit out of his hat And land real all -star/franchise type of player )

[LoveMyRaps]

LMFAO HAYWARD? what u on bro?

Hayward is better than DeMar

This is why we can't have nice things no one appreciates Demar. Hayward is better than Demar? get the **** outta here with that nonsense. Hayward could do NONE of the things Demar did last year in the playoffs the man plays well for a bit and he's better than Demar? I understand now why no one wants to stay on this team.

Lmao. Hayward is easily better than Demar. Stop trying to argue. Please back your sh*t up and provide statistics or something proving how Demar is better.