Back on the treadmill

[omar36]

A treadmill that has a max slot open for next year. Right.

All we needed for contention was serge Ibaka? The guy we benched in crunch time when facing elimination?

Enuff respect for serge....but he's not the difference between a treadmill team and a contender.

A max slot that no superstar will want to fill because, you know, Canada.



The OP is right

You're right. What's the use? Lol

What alternative do you suggest? NOT managing our cap space? Lol

no its fine but what exactly are you gunna use it on? overpay role players? what superstar can we get with that capsapce lol. Unless og or pascal take a massive leap, we arent winning anything anytime soon. crazy ppl still think a team without a superstar can win

we wont fade into fodders just yet but ppl expect us to challenge a better bucks team? the celtics/sixers/heat/nets? with len and baynes lmao. If we can get harden then yea no rebuild needed.

without a superstar, this team ceiling is the ecf and that will be extremtly tough.

[mdenny]

A max slot that no superstar will want to fill because, you know, Canada.



The OP is right

You're right. What's the use? Lol

What alternative do you suggest? NOT managing our cap space? Lol

no its fine but what exactly are you gunna use it on? overpay role players? what superstar can we get with that capsapce lol. Unless og or pascal take a massive leap, we arent winning anything anytime soon. crazy ppl still think a team without a superstar can win

we wont fade into fodders just yet but ppl expect us to challenge a better bucks team? the celtics/sixers/heat/nets? with len and baynes lmao. If we can get harden then yea no rebuild needed.

without a superstar, this team ceiling is the ecf and that will be extremtly tough.

Managing cap space doesn't exclude the option of trading for players. It's not an either/or decision to make. We can trade for superstars whether we manage our cap space or not.

[Brinbe]

Gobert in FA. As much as ppl hate him, he's one of the best options out there and would be a great addition to this defense.

Kyle-Malachi/Fred/OG/Pascal/Rudy is a hell of a future defensive starting 5.

There's not that many future holes to fill long-term. Probably really the 5, which makes Gobert make more sense.

[jimmy keys]

yeah without being too ignorant it's hard to not agree with this. something about America culture that encourages diva behaviour.

you look at the list of international superstars over the decades and they almost always spend the vast majority of their careers with one team.

I don't think it's a cultural thing. You don't see this behaviour from MLB, NFL, or NHL players. You do see it from European soccer players though, and none of them are American. It's only American basketball and European soccer players that act like this.

I'm not sure what it is. Maybe a function of being coddled by the media and the league pushing for big markets to succeed.

Incidentally, the NBA and European soccer are the sports leagues with the most blatant rigging to set up big markets for success.

Bingo.

It's not just an American thing. It's the sport. Basketball promotes this (specific players rather than teams). If you're a star (lebron, KD, etc.) you're going to get a heck of a lot more attention than you would in a sport like Hockey or even Football (53 players). A star Basketball player can have a greater impact. Players also market themselves (shoe deals, etc.). Same thing with Soccer stars outside North America (Ronaldo, Neymar, Messi).

If you're a QB in Football, it doesn't matter if you play in markets like Green Bay or Kansas City. You'll still get the recognition & endorsement deals.

well there's a big difference actually because in soccer only a select few teams can only afford those huge mega contracts. in basketball every team can technically afford the super max with revenue sharing and a cap. so if you're a player who wants to maximize his earning potential that can't be done with the smaller clubs, you need to play for a Bayern, Man City, PSG, Madrid etc...

it's not the same as basketball in my opinion.

[DelAbbot]

If our future is treadmill seasons with continually improving roster and 1 of 2 seasons out of 10 going to the finals, I would enjoy that.

What is everyone expecting to be able to enjoy Raptors basketball?

[wow09]

We missed so many games to injury last year and still finished with the second best record in the league. If we have an average year injury wise we probably finish with a similar record or a couple wins short.
Nurse is going to coach this team up as he’s proven to be able to do this far.
We’re likely on 50 win treadmill for the foreseeable future which on this board is somehow a bad thing.

50 is optimistically high. And it's a relative "bad thing" after tasting a championship. And losing to hated rivals like Boston, and seeing Miami improve so much.

Come on. Miami was the ultimate bubble team. Check their road record last year the bubble was the great equalizer for them.

[Steven1562]

Want to know what a real treadmill is? Look at the team we just played. The Hornets pumping out medicore seasons year after year. They haven't cracked 50 wins since 1997-98! We are spoiled as Raptor fans if you think we are a treadmill.

[omar36]

You're right. What's the use? Lol

What alternative do you suggest? NOT managing our cap space? Lol

no its fine but what exactly are you gunna use it on? overpay role players? what superstar can we get with that capsapce lol. Unless og or pascal take a massive leap, we arent winning anything anytime soon. crazy ppl still think a team without a superstar can win

we wont fade into fodders just yet but ppl expect us to challenge a better bucks team? the celtics/sixers/heat/nets? with len and baynes lmao. If we can get harden then yea no rebuild needed.

without a superstar, this team ceiling is the ecf and that will be extremtly tough.

Managing cap space doesn't exclude the option of trading for players. It's not an either/or decision to make. We can trade for superstars whether we manage our cap space or not.

That is true. Which why I'd love harden here but again, the chances of getting a superstar through trade without giving up your whole future is hard. That kawhi trade had so much going for it. Kawhi hiding an injury/refusing to speak to management/pop wanting to be petty

We got incredible lucky. That trade more impossible then getting a star through the draft lol

[mickie]

Want to know what a real treadmill is? Look at the team we just played. The Hornets pumping out medicore seasons year after year. They haven't cracked 50 wins since 1997-98! We are spoiled as Raptor fans if you think we are a treadmill.

truth


i just wished all this negativity from Raptor fans would go away so i can enjoy watching our young guys develop.

[vulture]

It seems like the meaning of treadmill has been lost on this fanbase.
Finishing top 4, winning 50 games and losing in the ECF/ 2nd round every year is not being a treadmill team.

Please educate yourselves.

[RaptorsLife]

Totally agree and hope Masai is gone after this season

Dude ego is gonna make some bad signings

Let’s get of this treadmill

[omar36]

It seems like the meaning of treadmill has been lost on this fanbase.
Finishing top 4, winning 50 games and losing in the ECF/ 2nd round every year is not being a treadmill team.

Please educate yourselves.

eh, ppl on here want a legitmate contender and what u describe is not that. its literally what we were prior to kawhi lmao which many felt was a treadmill.

at the end of the day, we all want to see them win. if we arent in the shortlist of contenders, how are we much different then those at 5-8 lol.

[Steelo Green]

It seems like the meaning of treadmill has been lost on this fanbase.
Finishing top 4, winning 50 games and losing in the ECF/ 2nd round every year is not being a treadmill team.

Please educate yourselves.

eh, ppl on here want a legitmate contender and what u describe is not that. its literally what we were prior to kawhi lmao which many felt was a treadmill.

at the end of the day, we all want to see them win. if we arent in the shortlist of contenders, how are we much different then those at 5-8 lol.

I don’t understand how people have forgotten the Bosh years or Demar years.

Winning 50 games and getting kicked out round two is not a contender.

A contender requires a superstar player. We got one for a year, won a title and now he’s gone. I thought after Kawhi people wouldn’t support a mediocre core but here we are.

“But Demar and Kyle win 50 games!”

Winning in the playoffs is where it matters and no one can truly be excited of title aspirations post Kyle (or with Kyle for that matter).

And this we will wait for a disgruntled superstar nonsense needs to end. A player of Kawhis caliber is almost never available.

Harden isn’t even on Kawhis level. And even if we got him, the team post trade is going to be gutted unlike the Demar trade which was pennies on the dollar because of Kawhi potentially not showing up and the huge injury concerns.

[OakleyDokely]

It seems like the meaning of treadmill has been lost on this fanbase.
Finishing top 4, winning 50 games and losing in the ECF/ 2nd round every year is not being a treadmill team.

Please educate yourselves.

eh, ppl on here want a legitmate contender and what u describe is not that. its literally what we were prior to kawhi lmao which many felt was a treadmill.

at the end of the day, we all want to see them win. if we arent in the shortlist of contenders, how are we much different then those at 5-8 lol.

You don't tear apart a team that's 1 player away to become a team that's 3-4 players away.

If the Raps were an aging .500 team, you'd have a point, but no astute basketball exec would ever tear apart a 50 win team whose core is mostly in their mid 20s to become the Knicks, Hornets or Kings.

[OakleyDokely]

It seems like the meaning of treadmill has been lost on this fanbase.
Finishing top 4, winning 50 games and losing in the ECF/ 2nd round every year is not being a treadmill team.

Please educate yourselves.

eh, ppl on here want a legitmate contender and what u describe is not that. its literally what we were prior to kawhi lmao which many felt was a treadmill.

at the end of the day, we all want to see them win. if we arent in the shortlist of contenders, how are we much different then those at 5-8 lol.

I don’t understand how people have forgotten the Bosh years or Demar years.

Winning 50 games and getting kicked out round two is not a contender.

A contender requires a superstar player. We got one for a year, won a title and now he’s gone. I thought after Kawhi people wouldn’t support a mediocre core but here we are.

“But Demar and Kyle win 50 games!”

Winning in the playoffs is where it matters and no one can truly be excited of title aspirations post Kyle (or with Kyle for that matter).

And this we will wait for a disgruntled superstar nonsense needs to end. A player of Kawhis caliber is almost never available.

Harden isn’t even on Kawhis level. And even if we got him, the team post trade is going to be gutted unlike the Demar trade which was pennies on the dollar because of Kawhi potentially not showing up and the huge injury concerns.

You still dont understand that the DD era brought us a championship. The team since 2013 built a very good core and they developed tradable assets that put the franchise in a position to trade for a disgruntled star. If they were tanking instead, like many people like you were suggesting at the time, the Raps would've never won a title.

The Raps are in a very similar position again.

[Johnny Bball]

Totally agree and hope Masai is gone after this season

Dude ego is gonna make some bad signings

Let’s get of this treadmill

[6ixSideSniper]

It seems like the meaning of treadmill has been lost on this fanbase.
Finishing top 4, winning 50 games and losing in the ECF/ 2nd round every year is not being a treadmill team.

Please educate yourselves.

eh, ppl on here want a legitmate contender and what u describe is not that. its literally what we were prior to kawhi lmao which many felt was a treadmill.

at the end of the day, we all want to see them win. if we arent in the shortlist of contenders, how are we much different then those at 5-8 lol.

You don't tear apart a team that's 1 player away to become a team that's 3-4 players away.

If the Raps were an aging .500 team, you'd have a point, but no astute basketball exec would ever tear apart a 50 win team whose core is mostly in their mid 20s to become the Knicks, Hornets or Kings.

This fan base has been extremely spoiled from the championship, and seem to expect to be either be competing for a ring or blow it up.

The only old piece on this team is Lowry, and just about a month ago he was still playing the best basketball of his career.

[OakleyDokely]

eh, ppl on here want a legitmate contender and what u describe is not that. its literally what we were prior to kawhi lmao which many felt was a treadmill.

at the end of the day, we all want to see them win. if we arent in the shortlist of contenders, how are we much different then those at 5-8 lol.

You don't tear apart a team that's 1 player away to become a team that's 3-4 players away.

If the Raps were an aging .500 team, you'd have a point, but no astute basketball exec would ever tear apart a 50 win team whose core is mostly in their mid 20s to become the Knicks, Hornets or Kings.

This fan base has been extremely spoiled from the championship, and seem to expect to be either be competing for a ring or blow it up.

The only old piece on this team is Lowry, and just about a month ago he was still playing the best basketball of his career.

It's too bad we didnt tank last year. We could've drafted franchise changers like Edwards or Ball.

It's going to be fun watching Flynn outplay the top 5 of the draft this year.

[vulture]

It seems like the meaning of treadmill has been lost on this fanbase.
Finishing top 4, winning 50 games and losing in the ECF/ 2nd round every year is not being a treadmill team.

Please educate yourselves.

eh, ppl on here want a legitmate contender and what u describe is not that. its literally what we were prior to kawhi lmao which many felt was a treadmill.

at the end of the day, we all want to see them win. if we arent in the shortlist of contenders, how are we much different then those at 5-8 lol.

I don’t understand how people have forgotten the Bosh years or Demar years.

Winning 50 games and getting kicked out round two is not a contender.

A contender requires a superstar player. We got one for a year, won a title and now he’s gone. I thought after Kawhi people wouldn’t support a mediocre core but here we are.

“But Demar and Kyle win 50 games!”

Winning in the playoffs is where it matters and no one can truly be excited of title aspirations post Kyle (or with Kyle for that matter).

And this we will wait for a disgruntled superstar nonsense needs to end. A player of Kawhis caliber is almost never available.

Harden isn’t even on Kawhis level. And even if we got him, the team post trade is going to be gutted unlike the Demar trade which was pennies on the dollar because of Kawhi potentially not showing up and the huge injury concerns.

That would be different if your core was old and was not getting better. We are in the perfect position where our best players are still getting better. We have no bad contracts, have all of our picks and are continuing to get better.

This isn’t a wizards, pacers and pistons situation.

[gerrit4]

It seems like the meaning of treadmill has been lost on this fanbase.
Finishing top 4, winning 50 games and losing in the ECF/ 2nd round every year is not being a treadmill team.

Please educate yourselves.

Well, a treadmill team implies a team with no forward/backward momentum. So that would mean that the Warriors and Cavs were the ultimate treadmill teams, as they were stuck in the same place (the finals) for 4/5 straight years. Fortunately, they were able to get off the treadmill last season and become two of the worst teams in the league.