Thrilla4Manila wrote:All in 4 Green! Reppin the pinoy squad!
Hope they are better at basketball than they are at Dota.
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Thrilla4Manila wrote:All in 4 Green! Reppin the pinoy squad!
DreamTeam09 wrote:Rebel INS wrote:Why is Suggs being described as a lower ceiling (but high floor) guy, when he's a freshman/19 years old and appears to be an NBA level elite athlete?
Usually guys that get tagged as 'lower ceiling' have B level athleticism, are older Juniors/Seniors or both
Not a rhetorical question, haven't been following prospects that closely and am mostly just going off eye test - am I overestimating how athletic Suggs looks re: first step and explosiveness? Combined with a grown man frame he looks like a "best athlete on the floor" type in college and even if he's not a NBA level A+ Westbrook/Wall level explosive athlete, he seems way more quick twitch than the nba player comps I'm seeing (eg; Billups, Roy)
He has a lot of room to improve as a shooter (and is already decent enough that expecting shooting improvement isn't a pipedream), is a freshman one and done, and apparently has only spent a year solely focused on basketball
On paper you'd think you're describing a "high upside/potential superstar' guy
Green has the Vince Carter Lavine type athletic abilities while Suggs would be closer to to say a fox minus the elite speed of fox but still speedy enough
UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Man you guys are gonna be in for a surprise just looking at Suggs like a PG. I see him turning that corner like Wade did after he moved from PG to SG full time and focused on scoring. Suggs has all the scoring tools as well
Chandan wrote:DreamTeam09 wrote:Rebel INS wrote:Why is Suggs being described as a lower ceiling (but high floor) guy, when he's a freshman/19 years old and appears to be an NBA level elite athlete?
Usually guys that get tagged as 'lower ceiling' have B level athleticism, are older Juniors/Seniors or both
Not a rhetorical question, haven't been following prospects that closely and am mostly just going off eye test - am I overestimating how athletic Suggs looks re: first step and explosiveness? Combined with a grown man frame he looks like a "best athlete on the floor" type in college and even if he's not a NBA level A+ Westbrook/Wall level explosive athlete, he seems way more quick twitch than the nba player comps I'm seeing (eg; Billups, Roy)
He has a lot of room to improve as a shooter (and is already decent enough that expecting shooting improvement isn't a pipedream), is a freshman one and done, and apparently has only spent a year solely focused on basketball
On paper you'd think you're describing a "high upside/potential superstar' guy
Green has the Vince Carter Lavine type athletic abilities while Suggs would be closer to to say a fox minus the elite speed of fox but still speedy enough
Green isn't that type of athlete at all. Carter was almost 40 pounds heavier coming into the league and they probably get up to around the same height. There is a lot more power to vinces general movements on court.
Green is more like a ja morant body type but more explosive. Of course they could fill out but we don't know how that impacts their speed until they do so.
alienchild wrote:Again, I hope the basketball gods give us the 14th pick in the draft. I hope OG asks for a trade, Birch signs elsewhere and GTJ signs an offer sheet and Raptors don't match. Frankly Masai is dead to me.
mulamutti wrote:NotMyKawhi wrote:I actually prefer Mobley, Suggs and Green over Cade.
Even tho we have #4, we still could get the best player
Probably not. Just go back the last 10 or even 20 years of drafts, and see how many of the top 4-5 picks are actually serviceable players right now. there's a 25-33 percent chance that a no. 4 pick is an all star. Those are reasonable odds, but it would really mean we need 3-4 no.4 picks in a row to guarantee one all star. If I were Masai, and we could trade for an all star or fringe all star player, I would do it in a heart beat. Unless the Raptors scouting staff are so much more confident than the statistics suggest.
I did a little exercise of just going back any number of years, and seeing how many of the top 10 were even serviceable players in the NBA. It's really really bad. The draft is not a sure fire way of hitting a jackpot player, unless you do it for many many years. And even then there is no guarantees, ask the advocates of the sixers' Process.
https://medium.com/@burakcankoc/what-are-the-odds-to-become-an-all-star-for-each-draft-pick-2d113d6b82e5
Pooh_Jeter wrote:Green reminds me a bit of Tatum, but he is smaller. Not sure I see the top tier elite athleticism, but certainly is a good one. He has all the makings of the prototypical wing shot creator that teams covet right now so that is a large reason he has moved ahead of Suggs.
I've always been a fan of Suggs, there is no real weakness to his game. I think what holds him back is that like some have mentioned while he is a good athlete, he isn't elite in that respect. His shot going forward should be perfectly fine, but it's not like he is some incredible knockdown shooter either. Without the elite athleticism it does bring into question whether he tops out as a good scorer instead of a great one. Regardless, I'd bet on him. I definitely see a lot of Brandon Roy, but he also gets some Jason Kidd comparisons with his all around game.
Chandan wrote:Need a prolific scorer, green has a better chance in doing that.
Basketball_Jones wrote:Pooh_Jeter wrote:Green reminds me a bit of Tatum, but he is smaller. Not sure I see the top tier elite athleticism, but certainly is a good one. He has all the makings of the prototypical wing shot creator that teams covet right now so that is a large reason he has moved ahead of Suggs.
I've always been a fan of Suggs, there is no real weakness to his game. I think what holds him back is that like some have mentioned while he is a good athlete, he isn't elite in that respect. His shot going forward should be perfectly fine, but it's not like he is some incredible knockdown shooter either. Without the elite athleticism it does bring into question whether he tops out as a good scorer instead of a great one. Regardless, I'd bet on him. I definitely see a lot of Brandon Roy, but he also gets some Jason Kidd comparisons with his all around game.
I think for guards it’s not about elite athleticism any more. He’s really going to have to be a great shooter and able to create his own shot from out there to be great. At least he has great speed and footwork and finishing at the rim already. Something Fred lacks and drives us nuts with.
alienchild wrote:Again, I hope the basketball gods give us the 14th pick in the draft. I hope OG asks for a trade, Birch signs elsewhere and GTJ signs an offer sheet and Raptors don't match. Frankly Masai is dead to me.
UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Man you guys are gonna be in for a surprise just looking at Suggs like a PG. I see him turning that corner like Wade did after he moved from PG to SG full time and focused on scoring. Suggs has all the scoring tools as well
Sandman88 wrote:UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Man you guys are gonna be in for a surprise just looking at Suggs like a PG. I see him turning that corner like Wade did after he moved from PG to SG full time and focused on scoring. Suggs has all the scoring tools as well
Yeah, I’ve seen many J-Kidd & Jrue comparisons, but Suggs looks like a much better scorer than them. I still like the peak Brandon Roy comp for him
A couple issues with this analysis:
1. Not all drafts are created equal. The 4th pick this year is worth much more than a couple years back when DeAndre Hunter went 4th.
2. The 4th pick in the draft isn't static. We actually have the ability to pick ANYONE of the players not picked top 3. So, in some respects, we actually have a chance at all-stars picked 5-X. Where X is a range of prospects that might have been selected at 4th.
Would people be surprised if Kuminga when 4th? How about Barnes? Maybe even Sengun, Moody or Mitchell. Technically, any of these guys is the fourth pick if we make them the fourth pick.
It's too simple to just look at the results, the process and options are much more dynamic than that.
Basketball_Jones wrote:Sandman88 wrote:UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Man you guys are gonna be in for a surprise just looking at Suggs like a PG. I see him turning that corner like Wade did after he moved from PG to SG full time and focused on scoring. Suggs has all the scoring tools as well
Yeah, I’ve seen many J-Kidd & Jrue comparisons, but Suggs looks like a much better scorer than them. I still like the peak Brandon Roy comp for him
I hope you guys are right and the NBA game opens up his scoring capabilities
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ash_k wrote:Basketball_Jones wrote:Sandman88 wrote:Yeah, I’ve seen many J-Kidd & Jrue comparisons, but Suggs looks like a much better scorer than them. I still like the peak Brandon Roy comp for him
I hope you guys are right and the NBA game opens up his scoring capabilities
He is not going to be turning that corner like Wade with 6'5 Wingspan and no explosive athleticism.
He is not going to be defending like Jrue with that same 6'5 Wingspan and all torso.
If,at least, he had that Jamal Murray's scoring mentality but he doesnt.
ash_k wrote:Basketball_Jones wrote:Sandman88 wrote:Yeah, I’ve seen many J-Kidd & Jrue comparisons, but Suggs looks like a much better scorer than them. I still like the peak Brandon Roy comp for him
I hope you guys are right and the NBA game opens up his scoring capabilities
He is not going to be turning that corner like Wade with 6'5 Wingspan and no explosive athleticism.
He is not going to be defending like Jrue with that same 6'5 Wingspan and all torso.
If,at least, he had that Jamal Murray's scoring mentality but he doesnt.
ash_k wrote:Basketball_Jones wrote:Sandman88 wrote:Yeah, I’ve seen many J-Kidd & Jrue comparisons, but Suggs looks like a much better scorer than them. I still like the peak Brandon Roy comp for him
I hope you guys are right and the NBA game opens up his scoring capabilities
He is not going to be turning that corner like Wade with 6'5 Wingspan and no explosive athleticism.
He is not going to be defending like Jrue with that same 6'5 Wingspan and all torso.
If,at least, he had that Jamal Murray's scoring mentality but he doesnt.