Vecenie: Suggs is the #2 prospect in this draft

[nikster]

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watching this, I feel like he will really struggle against our length tonight

[Raps in 4]

he has a new pod out, his first impression after few games which worth a listen if you still like his analysis

I don't and he took another shot at Barnes. Honestly wild to me that he calculated his summer league and career first 5 games shooting outside of 10 feet and came to the conclusion Barnes will not be a top 15 player and just maybe an Allstar once or twice.

He is looking more idiotic each day.

His Suggs was the 2nd best prospect in this class was one of his better takes even if it's terrible for everyone else.

Vecenie's mocks are completely wrong every year. There is a reason this guy doesn't work for an NBA team. He's a realgm poster with a platform that he can share his amateur analysis on.

[hype_2004]

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watching this, I feel like he will really struggle against our length tonight

**** this kid really reminds me of an underdeveloped Evan Fournier, same game, same hitch and gait. He's no superstar, but he can become a solid contributor on a contender.

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Watching this video.. first thing I pictured was Banton and Scottie swatting the hell out of this guy. He looks so bad down low, I'm starting to feel sorry for him. I hope Scottie doesn't take it easy on him and give him friend treatment.

[dgr81]

Magic might regret taking Suggs over Giddey

Tall playmakers are the new thing and Giddey seems like the next in line after Luka/Ball, Raptors were super high on him too.

Masai was high on Giddey(scouted him multiple time). If Barnes was off the board somehow he would have went Giddey with the 4th pick.

Giddey was the trade down option.

Think the raps had Mobley > Barnes > Giddey

[dgr81]

I was all for Suggs at draft time, but obviously I am happy with Scottie now. At the time we thought Suggs might look good right away and it would take a few years before Scottie showed well and you could judge the draft. Now the opposite has happened, Scottie is great right away and Suggs is going to take longer. Fair enough.

But the sad tendency of some here is the need to not just praise Barnes but to trash Suggs too. He is going to end up a great PG. He has gone to the worst possible situation, a weak team but with another young star point guard. He and Anthony are not meshing well together. There are lots of teams where Suggs would already be making a better showing and a bigger difference.

I hope our homer broadcasters tonight don't do that thing where they also feel the need to give subtle putdowns to Suggs.

Yeah. Raptor fans are a terrible fan base.

Suggs in Toronto is not we are seeing right now. Orlando has a bottom 3 development system. Toronto is top 3. Suggs is playing with other terrible players for a terrible coach. He's on a team that is tanking for another top pick.

He has never said anything bad about Toronto or Barnes. Just leave him alone and let him be. He would look great next to Scottie in five years. Why treat him like ****?

[OakleyDokely]

I think these would be the Raps picks if they held these spots.

#1. Mobley

#4. Barnes

#7. Giddey


I really think Masai would've said F concencus and would've taken Mobley #1. Cade got annointed #1 really early, but if you look at his college stats, they aren't that impressive for a clear cut #1. Also, he looks and plays smaller than his size suggests. A guy like Mobley (and Barnes) are unicorns. Guys with their size and skillsets don't come around very often.

[WaltFrazier]

Scottie has the right attitude:

“Social media’s gonna do its thing regardless of what happens,” Barnes said Thursday. “They’re gonna do their thing. I don’t think it matters to either of us.”

It’s easy from the outside to make this game about Scottie Barnes vs. Jalen Suggs. Two rookies will forever be tied together as the fourth and fifth picks in the 2021 NBA Draft, respectively. But Barnes doesn’t look at it that way. To him, he and Suggs aren't rivals, they're brothers.

The two grew up close friends as do so many other elite young basketball players. They played on USA Basketball together and have been close since they were 14 or 15 years old, Barnes said. It’s why Suggs was so excited for Barnes on draft night. Just watch the footage from that night, Suggs is the first one standing when the Raptors’ pick is announced, clapping and cheering for Barnes as he finds out he’s being drafted.

https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/scottie_barnes_discusses_taking_on_his_brother_jalen_suggs_for_the_1st_time/s1_16610_36269600?utm_source=mb&utm_medium=email&mb_edition=20211029&mb_loc=right_h

[Madhouse]

I think these would be the Raps picks if they held these spots.

#1. Mobley

#4. Barnes

#7. Giddey


I really think Masai would've said F concencus and would've taken Mobley #1. Cade got annointed #1 really early, but if you look at his college stats, they aren't that impressive for a clear cut #1. Also, he looks and plays smaller than his size suggests. A guy like Mobley (and Barnes) are unicorns. Guys with their size and skillsets don't come around very often.

I wouldn't be shocked if those were there top 3 prospects in the draft.

[everdiso]

I think these would be the Raps picks if they held these spots.

#1. Mobley

#4. Barnes

#7. Giddey


I really think Masai would've said F concencus and would've taken Mobley #1. Cade got annointed #1 really early, but if you look at his college stats, they aren't that impressive for a clear cut #1. Also, he looks and plays smaller than his size suggests. A guy like Mobley (and Barnes) are unicorns. Guys with their size and skillsets don't come around very often.

He may have taken Scottie #1, no joke.

[canz55]

I think these would be the Raps picks if they held these spots.

#1. Mobley

#4. Barnes

#7. Giddey


I really think Masai would've said F concencus and would've taken Mobley #1. Cade got annointed #1 really early, but if you look at his college stats, they aren't that impressive for a clear cut #1. Also, he looks and plays smaller than his size suggests. A guy like Mobley (and Barnes) are unicorns. Guys with their size and skillsets don't come around very often.

He may have taken Scottie #1, no joke.

No its not a joke. Listen to some of the post-draft podcasts with reputable scouts talking about how high Scottie was on their list and it's less of a surprise as to why Scottie was drafted with the 4th pick.

Suggs was rated highly because he was covered more as a result of being in the final four. People just knew more about him so it was expected that he would go top 3-4.

[OrlMagic05]

I was all for Suggs at draft time, but obviously I am happy with Scottie now. At the time we thought Suggs might look good right away and it would take a few years before Scottie showed well and you could judge the draft. Now the opposite has happened, Scottie is great right away and Suggs is going to take longer. Fair enough.

But the sad tendency of some here is the need to not just praise Barnes but to trash Suggs too. He is going to end up a great PG. He has gone to the worst possible situation, a weak team but with another young star point guard. He and Anthony are not meshing well together. There are lots of teams where Suggs would already be making a better showing and a bigger difference.

I hope our homer broadcasters tonight don't do that thing where they also feel the need to give subtle putdowns to Suggs.

Yeah. Raptor fans are a terrible fan base.

Suggs in Toronto is not we are seeing right now. Orlando has a bottom 3 development system. Toronto is top 3. Suggs is playing with other terrible players for a terrible coach. He's on a team that is tanking for another top pick.

He has never said anything bad about Toronto or Barnes. Just leave him alone and let him be. He would look great next to Scottie in five years. Why treat him like ****?

I come in peace.. and this is 1000% right. Suggs is in a horrible situation playing with Cole Anthony. The Magic are a mess right now with the youngest starting lineup and a rookie coach. I think he will get better once Fultz gets back who is a way better distributer than Cole, but Cole has been playing decent so I am nervous that Coach Mosley will keep Cole in the starting lineup when Fultz gets back and benches Suggs, which would be terrible for Suggs confidence. Barnes was drafted to one of if not the best coach in the NBA with a development team that is also one of the best. People dont take all of this into consideration when labeling people busts 5 games into a season.

[tecumseh18]

I was all for Suggs at draft time, but obviously I am happy with Scottie now. At the time we thought Suggs might look good right away and it would take a few years before Scottie showed well and you could judge the draft. Now the opposite has happened, Scottie is great right away and Suggs is going to take longer. Fair enough.

But the sad tendency of some here is the need to not just praise Barnes but to trash Suggs too. He is going to end up a great PG. He has gone to the worst possible situation, a weak team but with another young star point guard. He and Anthony are not meshing well together. There are lots of teams where Suggs would already be making a better showing and a bigger difference.

I hope our homer broadcasters tonight don't do that thing where they also feel the need to give subtle putdowns to Suggs.

Yeah. Raptor fans are a terrible fan base.

Suggs in Toronto is not we are seeing right now. Orlando has a bottom 3 development system. Toronto is top 3. Suggs is playing with other terrible players for a terrible coach. He's on a team that is tanking for another top pick.

He has never said anything bad about Toronto or Barnes. Just leave him alone and let him be. He would look great next to Scottie in five years. Why treat him like ****?

I come in peace.. and this is 1000% right. Suggs is in a horrible situation playing with Cole Anthony. The Magic are a mess right now with the youngest starting lineup and a rookie coach. I think he will get better once Fultz gets back who is a way better distributer than Cole, but Cole has been playing decent so I am nervous that Coach Mosley will keep Cole in the starting lineup when Fultz gets back and benches Suggs, which would be terrible for Suggs confidence. Barnes was drafted to one of if not the best coach in the NBA with a development team that is also one of the best. People dont take all of this into consideration when labeling people busts 5 games into a season.

Yeah, I've been impressed with Suggs' plus/minus. He's clearly not a liability out there. Meanwhile, Fran Fraschilla was not complimentary of Wagner before the draft. Does he look like a player out there? The box score stats look OK.

When the hell is Isaac coming back? He's your number one Siakam-esque prospect. What's going on?

[ItsDanger]

Suggs FG% of 28 is not good but he's a rookie. Anthony Edwards struggled for 2+ months last season before he found it. Its expected. On the bright side, Suggs is only 7% behind Trent so thats not that much to be considered excellent.

[vulture]

I was all for Suggs at draft time, but obviously I am happy with Scottie now. At the time we thought Suggs might look good right away and it would take a few years before Scottie showed well and you could judge the draft. Now the opposite has happened, Scottie is great right away and Suggs is going to take longer. Fair enough.

But the sad tendency of some here is the need to not just praise Barnes but to trash Suggs too. He is going to end up a great PG. He has gone to the worst possible situation, a weak team but with another young star point guard. He and Anthony are not meshing well together. There are lots of teams where Suggs would already be making a better showing and a bigger difference.

I hope our homer broadcasters tonight don't do that thing where they also feel the need to give subtle putdowns to Suggs.

Yeah. Raptor fans are a terrible fan base.

Suggs in Toronto is not we are seeing right now. Orlando has a bottom 3 development system. Toronto is top 3. Suggs is playing with other terrible players for a terrible coach. He's on a team that is tanking for another top pick.

He has never said anything bad about Toronto or Barnes. Just leave him alone and let him be. He would look great next to Scottie in five years. Why treat him like ****?

I come in peace.. and this is 1000% right. Suggs is in a horrible situation playing with Cole Anthony. The Magic are a mess right now with the youngest starting lineup and a rookie coach. I think he will get better once Fultz gets back who is a way better distributer than Cole, but Cole has been playing decent so I am nervous that Coach Mosley will keep Cole in the starting lineup when Fultz gets back and benches Suggs, which would be terrible for Suggs confidence. Barnes was drafted to one of if not the best coach in the NBA with a development team that is also one of the best. People dont take all of this into consideration when labeling people busts 5 games into a season.

I agree with you. Suggs is in a tough spot right now, but he will be a good player. you can't expect him to shoot 28% for the rest of the year since he shot 50% in college. You can see he's thinking too much out there, not making the right reads and that will come with more experience.

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Reminds me a bit of Fultz, just no confidence

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Was coming here to say this, it's like Fultz but with no physical explanation for how he lost his touch. Suggs shot a few airballs in college but his feel for the jumper didn't look this bad

[OrlMagic05]

Yeah. Raptor fans are a terrible fan base.

Suggs in Toronto is not we are seeing right now. Orlando has a bottom 3 development system. Toronto is top 3. Suggs is playing with other terrible players for a terrible coach. He's on a team that is tanking for another top pick.

He has never said anything bad about Toronto or Barnes. Just leave him alone and let him be. He would look great next to Scottie in five years. Why treat him like ****?

I come in peace.. and this is 1000% right. Suggs is in a horrible situation playing with Cole Anthony. The Magic are a mess right now with the youngest starting lineup and a rookie coach. I think he will get better once Fultz gets back who is a way better distributer than Cole, but Cole has been playing decent so I am nervous that Coach Mosley will keep Cole in the starting lineup when Fultz gets back and benches Suggs, which would be terrible for Suggs confidence. Barnes was drafted to one of if not the best coach in the NBA with a development team that is also one of the best. People dont take all of this into consideration when labeling people busts 5 games into a season.

Yeah, I've been impressed with Suggs' plus/minus. He's clearly not a liability out there. Meanwhile, Fran Fraschilla was not complimentary of Wagner before the draft. Does he look like a player out there? The box score stats look OK.

When the hell is Isaac coming back? He's your number one Siakam-esque prospect. What's going on?

Yeah, he isnt a liability at all. I think his confidence is just a down right now. He tries to let the game come to him at times, but Cole doesnt pass him the ball for about 5 minutes so then he shoots a horrible shot due to not touching the ball for a few possessions. He really just needs a play maker like Fultz next to him to help set him up better. In regards to Franz, I am pleasantly surprised by him as most magic fans were concerned after his horrible showing in Summer League and the preseason.

I think when it comes to Isaac and Fultz the team is taking a very careful approach with them as they are seen by many as the building blocks. I dont foresee either to play until at least January.

[HangTime]

Is Suggs going to be what people thought Jerryd Bayless should have been.

[Spida888]

he has a new pod out, his first impression after few games which worth a listen if you still like his analysis

I don't and he took another shot at Barnes. Honestly wild to me that he calculated his summer league and career first 5 games shooting outside of 10 feet and came to the conclusion Barnes will not be a top 15 player and just maybe an Allstar once or twice.

He is looking more idiotic each day.

His Suggs was the 2nd best prospect in this class was one of his better takes even if it's terrible for everyone else.

Vecenie's mocks are completely wrong every year. There is a reason this guy doesn't work for an NBA team. He's a realgm poster with a platform that he can share his amateur analysis on.

I didn't mind listening to some of Vecenie's pods prior to the draft, but recently he's been kind of cringe. Dude is still really defensive about picking Barnes over Suggs. He should just admit he was wrong about Scottie like most of us and move on. Scouts get things wrong all the time, but how he's holding on is making me lose respect for him.

[vulture]

I come in peace.. and this is 1000% right. Suggs is in a horrible situation playing with Cole Anthony. The Magic are a mess right now with the youngest starting lineup and a rookie coach. I think he will get better once Fultz gets back who is a way better distributer than Cole, but Cole has been playing decent so I am nervous that Coach Mosley will keep Cole in the starting lineup when Fultz gets back and benches Suggs, which would be terrible for Suggs confidence. Barnes was drafted to one of if not the best coach in the NBA with a development team that is also one of the best. People dont take all of this into consideration when labeling people busts 5 games into a season.

Yeah, I've been impressed with Suggs' plus/minus. He's clearly not a liability out there. Meanwhile, Fran Fraschilla was not complimentary of Wagner before the draft. Does he look like a player out there? The box score stats look OK.

When the hell is Isaac coming back? He's your number one Siakam-esque prospect. What's going on?

Yeah, he isnt a liability at all. I think his confidence is just a down right now. He tries to let the game come to him at times, but Cole doesnt pass him the ball for about 5 minutes so then he shoots a horrible shot due to not touching the ball for a few possessions. He really just needs a play maker like Fultz next to him to help set him up better. In regards to Franz, I am pleasantly surprised by him as most magic fans were concerned after his horrible showing in Summer League and the preseason.

I think when it comes to Isaac and Fultz the team is taking a very careful approach with them as they are seen by many as the building blocks. I dont foresee either to play until at least January.

His defense is as good as advertised. I really hope the pull up comes along for him because bigs are just playing drop against him and that's something he has to punish eventually.