Summer League Thread Part 3: Aug 11 GS @8pm TSN 4

[LBJKB24MJ23]

They have Pat Beverley's expiring which is about 14 million. They'd have to throw in Keon Johnson (and maybe either BJ Boston or Jason Preston) to make it worth our while. Would they rather have 35 year old Dragic or 33 year old Pat Bev?

Oh boy...Keon is really having a rough summer league so far. He was 3-14 shooting last night for only 8 points and a team worst -25. He was 4-16 for 8 points on Monday night.

He's raw...no doubt about it...and this explains why he fell so far in the draft.

Beverly would be a great gritty defender off of the bench. Snatching Keon Johnson would be amazing.

and then flipping Beverly at the trade deadline for another resource + young asset/pick would be an incredible GM thing to do.

Sounds great but reality is that we're going to get marginal talent for Dragic. Heck, we got a marginal return for Lowry who is easily more sought after. Let's not raise our expectation more than what reality has shown us lol.

True. But the Clippers didn't have Lowry or anyone the Heat wanted. Raptors got a lowry-veteran type replacement + up and coming raw big man.

Dragic's value probably increase as his play proves to be worthwhile for the contending teams to make a move now or at the trade deadline. Nurse is probably going to love Dragic.




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[Danny1616]

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It's always good to hear nice words from former Raps on their time with Toronto.

I wasn't a fan of Casey's parting shots when he left or his inability to take responsibility for the Raps' losses but we don't get to the 'ship with Nurse without the foundation laid by Casey and his coaching staff.

Main reason we won the title is because we got Kawhi. Casey never got a chance with him. I doubt Nurse would have won more with Demar/Lowry.

I still believe Nurse is the better coach but we never got to compare apples to apples between the 2 coaches.

Our 2018 should not have lost to Cleveland, that was inexcusable.

Pacers and Celtics both took Cleveland to 7 games that season and we got swept.

We were the most talented team in the East that year. A lot of that was due to Casey's awful adjustments and rotations.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

excited for the barnes kuminga match up.

If I'm barnes I stay off him, force him to take jump shots and use your length to contest. Kuminga is a beast at the basket. Keep him out the paint

Yup. Make sure you have enough space to recover on Kuminga.

I do hope whoever Barnes guards, he steps up and shuts them down (Moody or Kuminga)

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[niQ]

Someone mentioned how Cade lost weight cuz of his vegan diet and its hurting his drives. Looks small out there

You don't lose weight on a vegan diet. I've been on one for a year and I'm still the same weight.

Being on a vegan diet requires too much planning for food, not to mention you deprive yourself of some real tasty food. What made you go to it?

Again, let's move on from the diet convo as it's now derailing the thread.

[TrustFundBaby]

excited for the barnes kuminga match up.

If I'm barnes I stay off him, force him to take jump shots and use your length to contest. Kuminga is a beast at the basket. Keep him out the paint

Yup. Make sure you have enough space to recover on Kuminga.

I do hope whoever Barnes guards, he steps up and shuts them down (Moody or Kuminga)

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I was probably Kumingas biggest booster on here but now that we got Barnes.... It's time for his ass to get locked up

[bboyskinnylegs]

It's always good to hear nice words from former Raps on their time with Toronto.

I wasn't a fan of Casey's parting shots when he left or his inability to take responsibility for the Raps' losses but we don't get to the 'ship with Nurse without the foundation laid by Casey and his coaching staff.

Main reason we won the title is because we got Kawhi. Casey never got a chance with him. I doubt Nurse would have won more with Demar/Lowry.

I still believe Nurse is the better coach but we never got to compare apples to apples between the 2 coaches.

Our 2018 should not have lost to Cleveland, that was inexcusable.

Pacers and Celtics both took Cleveland to 7 games that season and we got swept.

We were the most talented team in the East that year. A lot of that was due to Casey's awful adjustments and rotations.

yeah while it's fair that Casey didn't have Kawhi and Marc at his disposal, so we can't really judge his performance vs our championship team, it's highly unlikely he would he have made the kind of defensive adjustments that Nurse did in the ECF and Finals which imo were crucial to us winning.

[dalton749]

Main reason we won the title is because we got Kawhi. Casey never got a chance with him. I doubt Nurse would have won more with Demar/Lowry.

I still believe Nurse is the better coach but we never got to compare apples to apples between the 2 coaches.

Our 2018 should not have lost to Cleveland, that was inexcusable.

Pacers and Celtics both took Cleveland to 7 games that season and we got swept.

We were the most talented team in the East that year. A lot of that was due to Casey's awful adjustments and rotations.

yeah while it's fair that Casey didn't have Kawhi and Marc at his disposal, so we can't really judge his performance vs our championship team, it's highly unlikely he would he have made the kind of defensive adjustments that Nurse did in the ECF and Finals which imo were crucial to us winning.

We wouldn’t have even got out of the second round. No way we beat philly will Casey calling the shots. Same with Milwaukee.

[OakleyDokely]

OKC decided to add their millionth draft pick to the pile over drafting Sengun. Ouch.

[Vorticity]

Detroit needs to give the ball to Cade and make the primary ballhandler. Killian Hayes has been atrocious with his decision making on the court.

Pistons fans better hope that doesn't carry into the season where DET management doesn't try to "validate" their pick of Hayes and/or prove the 2 can fit together moving forward. They should run the ball through Cade and let Hayes figure out how he can contribute at times...

Hey it's Coach Casey the father of 2 point guard lineups, no way he won't play them together

i feel sorry for Cade, Mobley and Suggs ending up on bad teams that either won't make the playoffs or compete for the 8th spot for years to come, Scottie knows how lucky he is

[Tor_Raps]

It's always good to hear nice words from former Raps on their time with Toronto.

I wasn't a fan of Casey's parting shots when he left or his inability to take responsibility for the Raps' losses but we don't get to the 'ship with Nurse without the foundation laid by Casey and his coaching staff.

Main reason we won the title is because we got Kawhi. Casey never got a chance with him. I doubt Nurse would have won more with Demar/Lowry.

I still believe Nurse is the better coach but we never got to compare apples to apples between the 2 coaches.

Our 2018 should not have lost to Cleveland, that was inexcusable.

Pacers and Celtics both took Cleveland to 7 games that season and we got swept.

We were the most talented team in the East that year. A lot of that was due to Casey's awful adjustments and rotations.

I agree that we shouldn't have lost the way we did. But our stars were also shook of Lebron and pretty much kissing his ass DURING the series. Lowry and Demar were never alpha's on the court so I was always thankful for as much as we achieved with them.

We clearly overachieved year after year by being a top team without even having a superstar. How many other teams have done such a thing consistently?

[WuTang_CMB]

Someone mentioned how Cade lost weight cuz of his vegan diet and its hurting his drives. Looks small out there

You don't lose weight on a vegan diet. I've been on one for a year and I'm still the same weight.

ur not a professional athlete

[Indeed]

Main reason we won the title is because we got Kawhi. Casey never got a chance with him. I doubt Nurse would have won more with Demar/Lowry.

I still believe Nurse is the better coach but we never got to compare apples to apples between the 2 coaches.

Our 2018 should not have lost to Cleveland, that was inexcusable.

Pacers and Celtics both took Cleveland to 7 games that season and we got swept.

We were the most talented team in the East that year. A lot of that was due to Casey's awful adjustments and rotations.

I agree that we shouldn't have lost the way we did. But our stars were also shook of Lebron and pretty much kissing his ass DURING the series. Lowry and Demar were never alpha's on the court so I was always thankful for as much as we achieved with them.

We clearly overachieved year after year by being a top team without even having a superstar. How many other teams have done such a thing consistently?

The Hawks with Horford / Joe Johnson?

[Tor_Raps]

Our 2018 should not have lost to Cleveland, that was inexcusable.

Pacers and Celtics both took Cleveland to 7 games that season and we got swept.

We were the most talented team in the East that year. A lot of that was due to Casey's awful adjustments and rotations.

yeah while it's fair that Casey didn't have Kawhi and Marc at his disposal, so we can't really judge his performance vs our championship team, it's highly unlikely he would he have made the kind of defensive adjustments that Nurse did in the ECF and Finals which imo were crucial to us winning.

We wouldn’t have even got out of the second round. No way we beat philly will Casey calling the shots. Same with Milwaukee.

These are all subjective opinions though. I love that Nurse is able to adapt and try creative things but I hate how people just dismiss all that Casey did. We were a joke before he arrived. A bunch of players grew under him like Lowry/Demar/Fred/Siakam/Powell. There are pros and cons to every coach.

For me, unless I am able to compare apples to apples, it is hard for me to say one coach is clearly better than another. Pop looked great during Duncan's entire career and now looks like an average coach. Larry Brown looked great with the Pistons but looked like a joke with the Knicks. Stan Van Gundy looked great with the Magic but a joke with the Pelicans, etc.

[Indeed]

yeah while it's fair that Casey didn't have Kawhi and Marc at his disposal, so we can't really judge his performance vs our championship team, it's highly unlikely he would he have made the kind of defensive adjustments that Nurse did in the ECF and Finals which imo were crucial to us winning.

We wouldn’t have even got out of the second round. No way we beat philly will Casey calling the shots. Same with Milwaukee.

These are all subjective opinions though. I love that Nurse is able to adapt and try creative things but I hate how people just dismiss all that Casey did. We were a joke before he arrived. A bunch of players grew under him like Lowry/Demar/Fred/Siakam/Powell. There are pros and cons to every coach.

For me, unless I am able to compare apples to apples, it is hard for me to say one coach is clearly better than another. Pop looked great during Duncan's entire career and now looks like an average coach. Larry Brown looked great with the Pistons but looked like a joke with the Knicks. Stan Van Gundy looked great with the Magic but a joke with the Pelicans, etc.

I think people here questioning if all these good stuffs are Casey, or did he take credit of other people.
I guess Casey can prove himself in Detroit. How do you think he was doing in Detroit so far?

[Tor_Raps]

Our 2018 should not have lost to Cleveland, that was inexcusable.

Pacers and Celtics both took Cleveland to 7 games that season and we got swept.

We were the most talented team in the East that year. A lot of that was due to Casey's awful adjustments and rotations.

I agree that we shouldn't have lost the way we did. But our stars were also shook of Lebron and pretty much kissing his ass DURING the series. Lowry and Demar were never alpha's on the court so I was always thankful for as much as we achieved with them.

We clearly overachieved year after year by being a top team without even having a superstar. How many other teams have done such a thing consistently?

The Hawks with Horford / Joe Johnson?

Yup but they also had Josh Smith, Millsap, Teague who were allstars during one point or another with the Hawks. Heck, they had a season where even Korver made the allstar team.

Did anyone other than Lowry/Demar even come close to sniffing the allstar team for us? The talent level discrepancy was real and we were a bunch of overachievers.

[ForeverTFC]

yeah while it's fair that Casey didn't have Kawhi and Marc at his disposal, so we can't really judge his performance vs our championship team, it's highly unlikely he would he have made the kind of defensive adjustments that Nurse did in the ECF and Finals which imo were crucial to us winning.

We wouldn’t have even got out of the second round. No way we beat philly will Casey calling the shots. Same with Milwaukee.

These are all subjective opinions though. I love that Nurse is able to adapt and try creative things but I hate how people just dismiss all that Casey did. We were a joke before he arrived. A bunch of players grew under him like Lowry/Demar/Fred/Siakam/Powell. There are pros and cons to every coach.

For me, unless I am able to compare apples to apples, it is hard for me to say one coach is clearly better than another. Pop looked great during Duncan's entire career and now looks like an average coach. Larry Brown looked great with the Pistons but looked like a joke with the Knicks. Stan Van Gundy looked great with the Magic but a joke with the Pelicans, etc.

We were a joke with him too. Even the Lowry love is a bit fake from him; he benched him in favor of Calderon and had to have his hand forced to start him.

Yes, he did some good things. But we’ve seen enough of Casey and Nurse to know Nurse is a considerably better game manager.

[HolyMage110]

i have no idea why presti is collecting all these draft picks

[Tor_Raps]

We wouldn’t have even got out of the second round. No way we beat philly will Casey calling the shots. Same with Milwaukee.

These are all subjective opinions though. I love that Nurse is able to adapt and try creative things but I hate how people just dismiss all that Casey did. We were a joke before he arrived. A bunch of players grew under him like Lowry/Demar/Fred/Siakam/Powell. There are pros and cons to every coach.

For me, unless I am able to compare apples to apples, it is hard for me to say one coach is clearly better than another. Pop looked great during Duncan's entire career and now looks like an average coach. Larry Brown looked great with the Pistons but looked like a joke with the Knicks. Stan Van Gundy looked great with the Magic but a joke with the Pelicans, etc.

I think people here questioning if all these good stuffs are Casey, or did he take credit of other people.
I guess Casey can prove himself in Detroit. How do you think he was doing in Detroit so far?

Obviously not good but that's because the roster is absolutely trash. How do you think Nurse would look in Detroit? How did Nurse look last year when we were trash and he was fueding with Siakam?

[Tor_Raps]

We wouldn’t have even got out of the second round. No way we beat philly will Casey calling the shots. Same with Milwaukee.

These are all subjective opinions though. I love that Nurse is able to adapt and try creative things but I hate how people just dismiss all that Casey did. We were a joke before he arrived. A bunch of players grew under him like Lowry/Demar/Fred/Siakam/Powell. There are pros and cons to every coach.

For me, unless I am able to compare apples to apples, it is hard for me to say one coach is clearly better than another. Pop looked great during Duncan's entire career and now looks like an average coach. Larry Brown looked great with the Pistons but looked like a joke with the Knicks. Stan Van Gundy looked great with the Magic but a joke with the Pelicans, etc.

We were a joke with him too. Even the Lowry love is a bit fake from him; he benched him in favor of Calderon and had to have his hand forced to start him.

Yes, he did some good things. But we’ve seen enough of Casey and Nurse to know Nurse is a considerably better game manager.

My point is that you are saying he's a better game manager because he'd had better players to do so. It is hard to compare when it's not apples to apples.

When Nurse was trotting out Mccaw for 25MPG and also refusing to use our bench in the Celtics series when we had one of the best benches all season, people were questioning Nurse too.

Again, this isn't to dump on Nurse but more to respect the point Casey helped us get to.

[Indeed]

I agree that we shouldn't have lost the way we did. But our stars were also shook of Lebron and pretty much kissing his ass DURING the series. Lowry and Demar were never alpha's on the court so I was always thankful for as much as we achieved with them.

We clearly overachieved year after year by being a top team without even having a superstar. How many other teams have done such a thing consistently?

The Hawks with Horford / Joe Johnson?

Yup but they also had Josh Smith, Millsap, Teague who were allstars during one point or another with the Hawks. Heck, they had a season where even Korver made the allstar team.

Did anyone other than Lowry/Demar even come close to sniffing the allstar team for us? The talent level discrepancy was real and we were a bunch of overachievers.

Well, the East was weak (or overall talent has been much better). Even today, the Nets has the only big 3 with mostly big 2 due to injuries. Scoring 20 points per game isn't limited to a few super stars, and there are way more 3&D players compare to 15 years ago.