Dalano Banton Discussion / Appreciation

[WuTang_OG]

Dalano unique af

Guy has a nice handle, gets in the lane with ease and then on the other end, rebounds and blocks shots like a big.

[DonMega]

I really like Dalano. What a steal

[mdenny]

I'm worried refs will start calling carrying on him because it's so obvious he palms the ball frequently

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Yah good point.

I also wonder if opposing guards may start swiping at his high dribble.

[10giz]

Nuclear Greivis Vasquez

[Spates]

He's a speed demon who throws bullets passes and plays tenacious defense.

I'm expecting David Johnson to win G-league MVP based on rookie performances so far.

[raptor jesus]

A little thing I noticed last night: after a Magic bucket, Dalano shoving the ball into Birch's chest for a quick inbound. Very Lowry-esque.

[Kevin Willis]

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I do think Dalano tanked a little with his time under Fred. Raptors have known about him for years now and with scouting these days if he in anyway shown, someone would've drafted him higher. All his moves were to not be noticed. Registering for the draft late. Excelling at the combine when he needed to. etc. It seems a bit planned.

Anyways enjoy it. Eventually he will need to go to the G-League and get some reps when the roster is full again. HE can't continue at this pace for an entire season. We did get lucky on this draft. If Barnes showed he could shoot at least a little bit more he would be a top 2 pick and classified as perennial superstar. Instead of being poor man's Ben Simmons he has the potential to be better.

[mdenny]

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I do think Dalano tanked a little with his time under Fred. Raptors have known about him for years now and with scouting these days if he in anyway shown, someone would've drafted him higher. All his moves were to not be noticed. Registering for the draft late. Excelling at the combine when he needed to. etc. It seems a bit planned.

Anyways enjoy it. Eventually he will need to go to the G-League and get some reps when the roster is full again. HE can't continue at this pace for an entire season. We did get lucky on this draft. If Barnes showed he could shoot at least a little bit more he would be a top 2 pick and classified as perennial superstar. Instead of being poor man's Ben Simmons he has the potential to be better.

Interesting theory. Why would Banton agree to it though? The lower he's picked the less short-term money he makes.

I suppose it could be a matter of telling him the REAL money to be made is on your second contract and the raps could convince him that one will be higher if he joins their development system.

[mdenny]

Are you going back 10 years or 20?

I love nerd mode. Probably best to start from 2016 and go backwards because some guys within the past 5 years still haven't reached potential - jury can still be out.

So from 2000 to 2016....spanning picks 44 to 48 (5 per year) is a sample size of 80 which is decent. I'm gonna guess no more than 10 guys who became rotation pieces at some point and no more than 5 guys who became starters. Maybe 2 guys who became significant players ie allstar or borderline allstar. Those are just hunches though.

I have to admit....it wasnt until tanking became an option last year that i started looking at previous draft lists. I honestly did not realize how hit and miss the nba draft is. There were far more names that were never significant in the nba than i was expecting.

I'm sure someone has calculated how many of the 60 draft picks per year are expected to be eventual rotation pieces (1 - 10 on a roster for at least one season). Would be interesting to see some data on that.

So for any given year....we can say there's 300 rotation spots in the nba. There's a certain amount of players that drop out of that list (retirement or injury or digression) and an equal amount that enter the list. I wonder what that number is? In other words....what's the average yearly turnover for nba rotations?

Establishing a running average of that turnover....then we'd have a sense of how many spots players are competing for. Since the draft pproduces 60 more competitors every year for that 300 list....it starts to make sense why so many names of previous drafts are unrecognizable.


Someone here posted a data analysis of drafting efficiency by team and i was really impressed by the math. The raptors under masai were #1 and the #2 spot was WAYYYY behind us in a cluster with the rest of the league. The distance between us and #2 was greater than any other sequential difference. One has to assume, after Banton, that this is more than luck at this point.

Edit: not sure if this is the same analysis but it's the same idea. One caveat: i was wrong about something. The distance between us and denver (#2 - both of masai's teams!) is lesser than the difference between #29 and memphis (#30).

It's still incredible how elite we have been at drafting:

https://towardsdatascience.com/measuring-success-in-the-nba-draft-a7f67cfb7718

This was the late night, C-rate version of nerd mode. I looked at 2014-2020 and it was very subjective.

Taking your suggestion to go back to 2000 we have the following:

2020 - 0
2019 - 2 (Talen Horton-Tucker, Terance Mann)
2018 - 2 (De'Anthony Melton, Svi Mykhailiuk)
2017 - 2 (Dillon Brooks, Sterling Brown)
2016 - 0
2015 - 1 (Norman Powell)
2014 - 2 (Dwight Powell, Jordan Clarkson)
2013 - 2 (Mike Muscala, Raul Neto)
2012 - 0
2011 - 0
2010 - 0
2009 - 1 (Danny Green)
2008 - 1 (Goran Dragic)
2007 - 1 (Marc Gasol)
2006 - 1 (Paul Millsap)
2005 - 1 (Lou Williams)
2004 - 0
2003 - 1 (Matt Bonner)
2002 - 1 (Matt Barnes)
2001 - 0
2000 - 1 (Brian Cardinal)

Obviously some of these are debatable. Brian Cardinal had two 'OK' years in the NBA according to the stats, but does he belong on the list? For recent years, guys have had promising starts but we don't know if they will ultimately have good NBA careers - I just included those guys I think are on track so far. Probably best as you said to not include these recent years.

It's interesting that this works out to around 1 in 5 for getting a roster player, which is higher than I expected. It's not as high if the criteria is a starter or impact player - using that you drop guys like Cardinal, Bonner, Muscala, Brown, etc.

It's good that others elsewhere have already done the detailed statistical analysis! I still find it interesting to do it this way because it puts familiar names into the discussion rather than simply numbers.

Anyway, that's probably my last one of these - I'm going to continue watching and enjoying Dalano Banton become a big part of the Raptors.

Interesting.

So i guess this would be a very general but fair statement:

Out of the 30 players selected in every second round: around 6 players will end up being rotational nba players and 1 to 2 will have significant careers (a regular starter or anything better).

I feel pretty certain Banton is already pretty much a lock to be one of those 6 from 2012. Here's hoping he's the 1 in 30

[Bruin]

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[Dennis 37]

I know this is the most irrelevant game, but I really hope Banton makes the rookie challenge game

I don't think so. Not that he is not deserving, just that league doesn't give a crap about us.

[vini_vidi_vici]

Delano has been hyper efficient in terms of finishes/ASTs.

Heres our team.



Heres the top 20 among guys who had >= 35 finishes/ASTs, of 215 qualifiers.

[Kevin Willis]

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I do think Dalano tanked a little with his time under Fred. Raptors have known about him for years now and with scouting these days if he in anyway shown, someone would've drafted him higher. All his moves were to not be noticed. Registering for the draft late. Excelling at the combine when he needed to. etc. It seems a bit planned.

Anyways enjoy it. Eventually he will need to go to the G-League and get some reps when the roster is full again. HE can't continue at this pace for an entire season. We did get lucky on this draft. If Barnes showed he could shoot at least a little bit more he would be a top 2 pick and classified as perennial superstar. Instead of being poor man's Ben Simmons he has the potential to be better.

Interesting theory. Why would Banton agree to it though? The lower he's picked the less short-term money he makes.

I suppose it could be a matter of telling him the REAL money to be made is on your second contract and the raps could convince him that one will be higher if he joins their development system.

Well it's only a theory but the fact Webster has been watching him since his days in BioSteel All-star game. How Delano said in an interview that he was confident he was going to be selected and he had good feedback. That Webster said it was a good thing he didn't make the NBA combine so he wasn't noticed. Plus 2 year 2.5 million is a pretty good salary. A little under what someone drafted 30 would make. So if not downplaying his skill then at least he had a guarantee. I can't even remember the guy drafted after him and he was supposed to be comparable to Suggs.

Bone Thugs for life.

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/rookie_scale/2022

[DreamTeam09]

I still don't think he's did a between the legs dribble move, would love a whole off-season of him working on his handles and jumper. Wttba

[mdenny]

I still don't think he's did a between the legs dribble move, would love a whole off-season of him working on his handles and jumper. Wttba

He went behind the back to avoid a swipe after getting a rebound to start a fast break. But yah...i can't help but feel his rookie wall will have something to do qith perimeter defenders figuring out how to exploit his high dribble. Could be that his length prevents this though. Not sure.

Still looks a little adventurous when he's beyond the 3 point line scanning the court. If it does become a problem....it's gonna be a pretty easy adjustment with that length.

[maternal85]

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I do think Dalano tanked a little with his time under Fred. Raptors have known about him for years now and with scouting these days if he in anyway shown, someone would've drafted him higher. All his moves were to not be noticed. Registering for the draft late. Excelling at the combine when he needed to. etc. It seems a bit planned.

Anyways enjoy it. Eventually he will need to go to the G-League and get some reps when the roster is full again. HE can't continue at this pace for an entire season. We did get lucky on this draft. If Barnes showed he could shoot at least a little bit more he would be a top 2 pick and classified as perennial superstar. Instead of being poor man's Ben Simmons he has the potential to be better.

So why didn't Powell get drafted higher ? Why didn't teams rush to sign undrafted FVV ? Why didn't Pascal get drafted in the lottery? What more does Ujiri and his team have to do, to prove they're simply on another level than these other GM's and scouts ? Or are you on the Rogers narrative that Ujiri is nothing special ?

As for Banton, why does he need to go in the G league ? Why can't he maintain this pace ? How did you come up with this conclusion? Because he was the 45th pick ? If he was a top 10 pick (so far he should have been) would you say the same thing?

EVERY PLAYER that puts their name in the draft is trying to get that guaranteed 3 year 1st round pick contract. No agent would advise their client to go against that. None.

[Los_29]

I've heard a lot of wacky things here. From Jalen Suggs intentionally tanking his workout to play for one of the worst franchises in basketball to Khem Birch and Freddie Gillespie ruining our tank but Dalano Banton intentionally tanking an entire season of college basketball then tanking his workouts might just take the cake.

Come on guys, seriously.

[kirkwood]

I've heard a lot of wacky things here. From Jalen Suggs intentionally tanking his workout to play for one of the worst franchises in basketball to Khem Birch and Freddie Gillespie ruining our tank but Dalano Banton intentionally tanking an entire season of college basketball then tanking his workouts might just take the cake.

Come on guys, seriously.

I agree in this case. Banton and the Raptors had something worked out, the kid is 100 percent Toronto, it was his dream, the Raptors have been scouting him for years.

That being said, I’m a big Banton fan, he struggled for the first time last night against the Pacers.
Very stagnant, no fast breaks, a lot of late clock shots and I’ll advised passes. Let’s hope the scouts have not already locked in on his weaknesses. Maybe he was tired on a back to back. I don’t know but I saw him crash to earth last night.

[maternal85]

I've heard a lot of wacky things here. From Jalen Suggs intentionally tanking his workout to play for one of the worst franchises in basketball to Khem Birch and Freddie Gillespie ruining our tank but Dalano Banton intentionally tanking an entire season of college basketball then tanking his workouts might just take the cake.

Come on guys, seriously.

I agree in this case. Banton and the Raptors had something worked out, the kid is 100 percent Toronto, it was his dream, the Raptors have been scouting him for years.

That being said, I’m a big Banton fan, he struggled for the first time last night against the Pacers.
Very stagnant, no fast breaks, a lot of late clock shots and I’ll advised passes. Let’s hope the scouts have not already locked in on his weaknesses. Maybe he was tired on a back to back. I don’t know but I saw him crash to earth last night.

If the Raptors even tried such a thing, it'd be even criminal. The NBA wouldn't tolerate such a thing. It'd be even worse than the Joe Smith situation. Manipulating the system with an NBA prospect to obtain him ? The fines and picks (think of not getting Scottie) lost just to obtain Banton ? lmao. I hope you aren't being serious. Ujiri and his team does a wonderful job and the conspiracy theories come out. Pat Riley or Danny Ainge does the same and they're geniouses, no conspiracy theories? Hmmmm.

[ATLTimekeeper]

The truth is that NBA FOs don't care much about the 2nd round of the draft, in general, and it's very much in the eye of the beholder. So there will be agents that tell teams not to draft their player, and teams generally respect that.

When someone declares late, they usually have a guarantee. Same thing happened to Jokic. No one liked him but Denver and they had to convince him to stay in the draft. They liked him with their 2nd round pick, though. No team drafting in the 2nd round thinks they're getting a future MVP. The Raptors may have promised Banton they'd take him with one of their 2nds. I doubt there were shenanigans. His numbers in college were putrid.