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2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0

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Re: 2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0 

Post#221 » by Wannabe MEP » Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:05 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:I am not too concerned about being able to retain the core;
Looking at July 1st with all guys signed (10x players) we are at around 110m on the back of a 144m luxury tax for 22/23 increasing over the 136m we have this season.

If we assume next summer the we see another 8m increase we are at 152m luxury tax line for 23/24 having to re-sign GTJ and FVV;

Then the new TV deal comes into play which based on last time should explode the salary cap and tax lines.

MLSE has been effective at getting under the repeater line by staying under the tax recently and I can't imagine they would simply allow the team to be dismantled if playing well over paying the tax for maybe a season before the new TV deal.

I've been seeing luxury tax at 147 million next year
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Post#222 » by RapsFanInOhio » Sat Feb 12, 2022 5:39 pm

Scottie4Bro wrote:Here's hoping this isn't a heretical thought here but I was thinking about the upcoming extensions of GTJ & FVV and how much money they will demand in the 22/23 off-season, and I just can't see us retaining the entire core and fielding a serious 15-man unit as it would be too expensive.

I'd think we'd prioritize retaining Gary over Fred. What would a return for Fred look like next deadline assuming he continues playing at this level? Could we get back some meaningful pieces?

They’ll go into the tax before they let Fred go.
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Re: 2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0 

Post#223 » by LJKO » Sat Feb 12, 2022 6:59 pm

Waive Bonga or Svi then sign Moses Brown and KZ in Buyout then call it the season
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Post#224 » by Ell Curry » Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:22 am

mademan wrote:Someone gotta explain why we didnt give that 1st for White instead. We're desperate for guard help, and he's got good size on him.


It was Richardson, a first and a swap. And Richardson can probably fetch them a couple of 2nd rounders or similar value at the deadline. He's a good NBA player. Our offer would have had to have been Dragic, our first, a pick swap and something else to match the Celtics offer.
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Post#225 » by execoftheyear » Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:55 pm

LJKO wrote:Waive Bonga or Svi then sign Moses Brown and KZ in Buyout then call it the season


I was hoping KZ Okpala were thrown into the Lowry trade but now we have an opportunity to sign him. I'm with you, Brown and Okpala would be perfect
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Re: 2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0 

Post#226 » by Morris_Shatford » Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:49 pm

Aside from being 7' 2" and being 22 years old;
What am I missing with Moses Brown?
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Post#227 » by bboyskinnylegs » Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:44 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:Aside from being 7' 2" and being 22 years old;
What am I missing with Moses Brown?

not much, he's a low-risk project that we would try to develop in our system and have fight for minutes off the bench. It would be somewhat similar to us getting Precious to develop IMO. I'm not against signing him, but only if we strike out with other vets who might be more ready to contribute to a playoff run now.
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Post#228 » by execoftheyear » Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:02 am

Morris_Shatford wrote:Aside from being 7' 2" and being 22 years old;
What am I missing with Moses Brown?


I think it has a lot to do with his mobility for his size. He's not the typical big stiff and could potentially be able to handle our switch heavy defense. He's obviously not a proven commodity, more like a project that could potentially fill a void that is apparent at the center position.
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Post#229 » by Los_29 » Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:03 am

LJKO wrote:Waive Bonga or Svi then sign Moses Brown and KZ in Buyout then call it the season


Stop it.
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Re: 2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0 

Post#230 » by HumbleRen » Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:35 am

Can't believe Boucher tricked the front office again lol.
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Re: 2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0 

Post#232 » by DangerZone13 » Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:05 am

Saw the report that before pivoting to Thad, there was a deal to send a protected first to Brooklyn for Nic Claxton. I'd definitely be into picking him up in the summer in some kinda S+T.

Lots of RFA bigman options this summer, should be able to snag one of Bamba, Bryant, Claxton, Jalen Smith, Mitchell Robinson, etc. with Ayton being the big fish other teams initially angle for. Not to say all of those options would be good fits, most of those teams have another big guy or two they're also invested in, so it might not be as hard to convince a reasonable deal. Through that scope, not making a move for a bigman at the deadline makes a bit more sense, along with giving this vision a full run to work out exactly what's needed from a future big.
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Re: 2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0 

Post#233 » by Butch_Coolidge » Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:09 am

DangerZone13 wrote:Saw the report that before pivoting to Thad, there was a deal to send a protected first to Brooklyn for Nic Claxton. I'd definitely be into picking him up in the summer in some kinda S+T.

Lots of RFA bigman options this summer, should be able to snag one of Bamba, Bryant, Claxton, Jalen Smith, Mitchell Robinson, etc. with Ayton being the big fish other teams initially angle for. Not to say all of those options would be good fits, most of those teams have another big guy or two they're also invested in, so it might not be as hard to convince a reasonable deal. Through that scope, not making a move for a bigman at the deadline makes a bit more sense, along with giving this vision a full run to work out exactly what's needed from a future big.


I agree thats why they didn't go big fish hunting
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Post#234 » by vanhill » Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:16 am

get Moses plss...he was doing a great job for the Thunder last season..have a few monster Gamesss..

Brown/Barnes/Siakam/OG/FVV/Trent
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Post#235 » by Morris_Shatford » Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:33 pm

DangerZone13 wrote:Saw the report that before pivoting to Thad, there was a deal to send a protected first to Brooklyn for Nic Claxton. I'd definitely be into picking him up in the summer in some kinda S+T.

Lots of RFA bigman options this summer, should be able to snag one of Bamba, Bryant, Claxton, Jalen Smith, Mitchell Robinson, etc. with Ayton being the big fish other teams initially angle for. Not to say all of those options would be good fits, most of those teams have another big guy or two they're also invested in, so it might not be as hard to convince a reasonable deal. Through that scope, not making a move for a bigman at the deadline makes a bit more sense, along with giving this vision a full run to work out exactly what's needed from a future big.


The Raps have a few interesting ways to get better this summer;
You have the Lowry TPE and the Dragic TPE all available for use into free agency and you have the full non-taxpayer MLE.

If we are that interested in Claxton, toss the full MLE at him.
I am not all that confident that the Nets in their current tax situation are willing to match an offer on the The Slim Reaper.
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Re: 2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0 

Post#236 » by Morris_Shatford » Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:51 pm

With the deadline done I have moved my attention to the draft;

Oscar Tshiebwe or bust.
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Post#237 » by Psubs » Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:12 pm

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DangerZone13 wrote:Saw the report that before pivoting to Thad, there was a deal to send a protected first to Brooklyn for Nic Claxton. I'd definitely be into picking him up in the summer in some kinda S+T.

Lots of RFA bigman options this summer, should be able to snag one of Bamba, Bryant, Claxton, Jalen Smith, Mitchell Robinson, etc. with Ayton being the big fish other teams initially angle for. Not to say all of those options would be good fits, most of those teams have another big guy or two they're also invested in, so it might not be as hard to convince a reasonable deal. Through that scope, not making a move for a bigman at the deadline makes a bit more sense, along with giving this vision a full run to work out exactly what's needed from a future big.


I agree thats why they didn't go big fish hunting


#31 and Birch for Claxton?
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Post#238 » by John Murdoch » Wed Feb 16, 2022 5:03 pm

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Post#239 » by oldncreaky » Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:02 pm

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Great trade for the Lakers where they steal value. For once I believe the estimated impact on wins i.e. Toronto would win 8 less games.

Anthony Davis in 2022 is theoretically the best player in the trade, but he not worth 3 very good starters on value contracts, never mind adding a first.
In a no-win argument, the first poster to Let It Go will at least retain some peace of mind
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Post#240 » by Morris_Shatford » Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:10 pm

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Davis is clearly the best player involved in this deal when healthy;
But his inability to remain healthy likely gives the Raps pause, bigs having issues staying healthy in their late 20s rarely ends well for those teams holdings those contracts as they move closer to 30.

Even if I didn't consider this bad value for Toronto, the Raps simply are not in a place to make that "Kawhi" deal to try and get over the hump and even if they were I am not sure how comfortable I am with Barnes and Siakam having to hold the fort down for the dozens of games Davis will be out over the course of the season.

Maybe try the Celts?
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