Windhorst - "Sixers wouldn't give up Maxey"

[Los_29]

Not excuses, just facts. His TS% before they got Harden was far lower than what it was after they got him. Saying he would be our 2nd best player is an absurd statement but one that no longer surprises me considering some of the hot takes that I have seen on here.

You have to do more in this league than just score at good efficiency. Norm Powell also scores with great efficiency and he got traded to the Clippers for literally nothing and comes off the bench. Collin Sexton scored 24ppg on good efficiency last year and yet Cavs were reportedly shopping him and there were few teams that were interested.

I think Maxey has contributed a lot more than anyone expected and deserves praise for that. But if he wasn't linked to us in anyway, no one on here would think anything of him. Everyone knows what Maxey can and cannot do.

You’re going to die on this hill aren’t you? God bless you.


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toronto sports fans.

prop up their own mediocre players. trash other young players around the league.

That would be a shame if that were to happen.

[PerfectJab]

Hasheem Thabeet had a higher ceiling than Curry, Derozan, Harden, Holiday . He was athletic and had the size, Memphis agreed.

Precious had an awesome game today, truly impactful. Maxey did as well, but his ceiling is not as high because of his size.

I don't get how people are disrespecting Siakam and OG. They've actually accomplished something, Precious hasn't done ****, not to mention they are both way better than Precious will ever be. Precious is a solid role player at best and he hasn't even accomplished this yet!

[Inevitable]

Read on Twitter

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Great company, we have to start guarding this guy.

[Boogie!]

Damn kudos to the sixers they made a wise choice. Imagine us with maxey. He’s exactly the kind of guard nurse needs to run his offense. Explosice and can penetrate at will and can shoot.

[Pooh_Jeter]

It's too bad Masai pushed for Thybulle and other extras. He has been largely phased out of their rotation and isn't even vaxxed meanwhile Maxey is showing out.

[Los_29]

Masai's eye for talent is amazing.

[HumbleRen]

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Great company, we have to start guarding this guy.

Yep, somebody said we wouldn’t need to gameplan against him.

Maxey said bet and is proceeding to outplay our 2 best players.

Only 21 too ? Man that’s nuts !

[Los_29]

Read on Twitter

?s=21&t=8GJBBbHVtEJ8R6Hs3GmD7w

Great company, we have to start guarding this guy.

Yep, somebody said we wouldn’t need to gameplan against him.

Maxey said bet and is proceeding to outplay our 2 best players.

Only 21 too ? Man that’s nuts !

Collin Sexton is 22 years old.

[Inevitable]

Read on Twitter

?s=21&t=8GJBBbHVtEJ8R6Hs3GmD7w

Great company, we have to start guarding this guy.

Yep, somebody said we wouldn’t need to gameplan against him.

Maxey said bet and is proceeding to outplay our 2 best players.

Only 21 too ? Man that’s nuts !

Put that user on ignore, life is better.

[Los_29]

Look, I have to admit, Maxey and Harris are doing a great job hitting open shots against our depleted squad that is down two starters. Scoring as the 3rd and 4th options behind the MVP and one of the greatest offensive players of all-time must be difficult and they are coming through with flying colours.

[Boogie!]

Not sure if this still needs to be said but bobby Webster is the gm.

[sca]

What some people in this thread don’t understand is that prototypes are just prototypes. Achiuwa right now is closer to a prototype than a productive player. He’s a long, strong, athletic guy with good D that can handle the ball a bit and hit the three. But he’s still a negative on the court, therefore his positives do not make up for the negatives.

Over NBA history there have been many guys who had great qualities on paper but have never been able to put it all together. Their number far oughtweigh the number of guys who lived up to the hype and have developed as projected. When some people in this thread are talking about the potential version of Achiuwa, they should realize that they’re talking about a player who’ll most likely never be. A Siakam-like development is very rare. I honestly think that there’s a 20% chance that Achiuwa ends up being an average starter, and about 10% chance that he becomes even better than one (an average starter is better than most of the league and would be pretty amazing to have, BTW).

[TrustFundBaby]

What some people in this thread don’t understand is that prototypes are just prototypes. Achiuwa right now is closer to a prototype than a productive player. He’s a long, strong, athletic guy with good D that can handle the ball a bit and hit the three. But he’s still a negative on the court, therefore his positives do not make up for the negatives.

Over NBA history there have been many guys who had great qualities on paper but have never been able to put it all together. Their number far oughtweigh the number of guys who lived up to the hype and have developed as projected. When some people in this thread are talking about the potential version of Achiuwa, they should realize that they’re talking about a player who’ll most likely never be. A Siakam-like development is very rare. I honestly think that there’s a 20% chance that Achiuwa ends up being an average starter, and about 10% chance that he becomes even better than one (an average starter is better than most of the league and would be pretty amazing to have, BTW).

In a vacuum your completely right, most of us Precious boosters are hoping his prototype pans out and like you mentioned many guys with fantastic tools don't pan out.

That said TOR is considered a premier organization for scouting & developing. We've seen the work they did with Siakam, Powell, OG etc.

You can't discount TORs track record in this regard. So with that said, given the choice between an Athletic 6'9 big who can switch everything & shoot who is still raw vs a 6'1 scoring combo guard, it's very easy to choose potential in this case since TOR has a track record of developing said 6'9 bigs.

We saw the jump Achiuwa made in season, the work he's put in with the org is already bearing fruit. I don't think these 2 games change that.

Achiuwa ceiling>Maxey Ceiling.

[spikeslovechild]

please don't lock this thread

[PerfectJab]

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[Klayforspicy]

Maxey is a wildcard to be a big star with his speed and good shooting, nobody can stay in front of him. Its a deadly combo…usually super fast guards are average to below average shooters.

[PerfectJab]

What some people in this thread don’t understand is that prototypes are just prototypes. Achiuwa right now is closer to a prototype than a productive player. He’s a long, strong, athletic guy with good D that can handle the ball a bit and hit the three. But he’s still a negative on the court, therefore his positives do not make up for the negatives.

Over NBA history there have been many guys who had great qualities on paper but have never been able to put it all together. Their number far oughtweigh the number of guys who lived up to the hype and have developed as projected. When some people in this thread are talking about the potential version of Achiuwa, they should realize that they’re talking about a player who’ll most likely never be. A Siakam-like development is very rare. I honestly think that there’s a 20% chance that Achiuwa ends up being an average starter, and about 10% chance that he becomes even better than one (an average starter is better than most of the league and would be pretty amazing to have, BTW).

In a vacuum your completely right, most of us Precious boosters are hoping his prototype pans out and like you mentioned many guys with fantastic tools don't pan out.

That said TOR is considered a premier organization for scouting & developing. We've seen the work they did with Siakam, Powell, OG etc.

You can't discount TORs track record in this regard. So with that said, given the choice between an Athletic 6'9 big who can switch everything & shoot who is still raw vs a 6'1 scoring combo guard, it's very easy to choose potential in this case since TOR has a track record of developing said 6'9 bigs.

We saw the jump Achiuwa made in season, the work he's put in with the org is already bearing fruit. I don't think these 2 games change that.

Achiuwa ceiling>Maxey Ceiling.

Therein lies the problem. You're making the assumption that Toronto's system can turn any player into gold and fallaciously making an argument out of it.

You're ignoring the fact that efficacy needs one foundational item in order to happen, reality. This 'ceiling' that you speak of is hard to justify as it is based on opinion and a best case scenario based on a universal acceptance of what your version of ceiling entails. It hasn't happened yet and you're predicting that it will. Anyone can easily disagree with you as a result as it hasn't been proven yet. Why? Because there is no reality behind it.

The reality is, a player needs to be efficient enough to stay on the floor. Maxey has been a starter averaging 35 mins on a 50 win team producing very high percentages. You can argue as to why he has accomplished this all you want but it doesn't take away from the fact that he has already done it.

In the playoffs Maxey has been able to accomplish 30.5 pts/6.5R/5.0A/11-16 FGA 68%/ 4-7 3PA 57% in two playoff games versus a 50 win team and you can see why reality trumps any speculatory opinion someone has.

It's not an easy feat to do regardless of how much you downplay it. Again, it has actually been done. Let's give credit where credit is due. There are actually hard numbers to prove that he has a higher ceiling than Precious. Again, not opinions, facts. I'd be happy to hear any facts that discredit this otherwise.

[WaltFrazier]

What some people in this thread don’t understand is that prototypes are just prototypes. Achiuwa right now is closer to a prototype than a productive player. He’s a long, strong, athletic guy with good D that can handle the ball a bit and hit the three. But he’s still a negative on the court, therefore his positives do not make up for the negatives.

Over NBA history there have been many guys who had great qualities on paper but have never been able to put it all together. Their number far oughtweigh the number of guys who lived up to the hype and have developed as projected. When some people in this thread are talking about the potential version of Achiuwa, they should realize that they’re talking about a player who’ll most likely never be. A Siakam-like development is very rare. I honestly think that there’s a 20% chance that Achiuwa ends up being an average starter, and about 10% chance that he becomes even better than one (an average starter is better than most of the league and would be pretty amazing to have, BTW).

In a vacuum your completely right, most of us Precious boosters are hoping his prototype pans out and like you mentioned many guys with fantastic tools don't pan out.

That said TOR is considered a premier organization for scouting & developing. We've seen the work they did with Siakam, Powell, OG etc.

You can't discount TORs track record in this regard. So with that said, given the choice between an Athletic 6'9 big who can switch everything & shoot who is still raw vs a 6'1 scoring combo guard, it's very easy to choose potential in this case since TOR has a track record of developing said 6'9 bigs.

We saw the jump Achiuwa made in season, the work he's put in with the org is already bearing fruit. I don't think these 2 games change that.

Achiuwa ceiling>Maxey Ceiling.

Therein lies the problem. You're making the assumption that Toronto's system can turn any player into gold and fallaciously making an argument out of it.

You're ignoring the fact that efficacy needs one foundational item in order to happen, reality. This 'ceiling' that you speak of is hard to justify as it is based on opinion and a best case scenario based on a universal acceptance of what your version of ceiling entails. It hasn't happened yet and you're predicting that it will. Anyone can easily disagree with you as a result as it hasn't been proven yet. Why? Because there is no reality behind it.

The reality is, a player needs to be efficient enough to stay on the floor. Maxey has been a starter averaging 35 mins on a 50 win team producing very high percentages. You can argue as to why he has accomplished this all you want but it doesn't take away from the fact that he has already done it.

In the playoffs Maxey has been able to accomplish 30.5 pts/6.5R/5.0A/11-16 FGA 68%/ 4-7 3PA 57% in two playoff games versus a 50 win team and you can see why reality trumps any speculative opinion someone has.

It's not an easy feat to do regardless of how much you downplay it. Again, it has actually been done. Let's give credit where credit is due. There are actually hard numbers to prove that he has a higher ceiling than Precious. Again, not opinions, facts. I'd be happy to hear any facts that discredit this otherwise.

Perfect summary. And concepts of ceiling and potential, no matter how some want to define them or distinguish between them, are just projections. They are matters of opinion, not fact.

What makes me high on Maxey, besides the fact he is "doing it" already, is his speed and burst are elite, AND he is shooting great from the 3. I'm not saying he is on the level of Ja Morant, but Ja can't shoot like him.

[ash_k]

For this one, we will have to wait a couple of years. Of course, it would be too easy to go for 6'2 Maxey looking at the last 4 days.

As it was stated earlier, there must be a reason Precious was ahead of Maxey in one of the most popular recruiting rankings
In 2019, 247Sports had Precious at 9 and Maxey at 10 in their recruiting rankings.

My money is on the 6'8/7'2 guy. A couple of years, guys.

[Hipster Doofus]

It's too bad Masai pushed for Thybulle and other extras. He has been largely phased out of their rotation and isn't even vaxxed meanwhile Maxey is showing out.

Thybulle is a Bruce Bowen type of player, without the high three point percentage, yet. Remains to be seen if he increases it or not.

Very good defender, extremely limited offensively. Essentially, a role player at this point in his career. But still young, so remains to be seen what he becomes.