2023 Draft Discussion Part 6

[WuTang_CMB]

If Bilal off the board, going to be interesting if they go with Leonard and believe in his upside. Can still see Bufkin or Sidy here

[HumbleRen]

You want FVV gone ? Get a guard with this pick and pray we hit on him.

If you go with Leonard Miller or other wings, FVV will be here for the foreseeable future.

[720]

Just pick Bufkin and move the **** on. If they take a low floor high ceiling guy I’ll be excited as well.

[720]

If we take Bufkin the finishing ability around the rim would be so refreshing to see.

After watching slow ass inefficient Vanvleet for the past few years it’ll be a treat to watch.

[tecumseh18]

There's one dude bitching about missing out on Coulibaly, and that Masai will also reach on someone projected in the 20s (also Coulibaly).

Why are the Raptors always picking x in what is clearly a x-1 man draft? The league clearly has it in for us.

I still remember when we were picking 4th in what was a 3 player+ 1 (Suggs) draft. Or picking 9th in what was a 8 player draft (and got Poeltl,Siakam,FVV)

Yeah, those examples (and we could easily have picked Sabonis at 9, but I actually preferred Poeltl at the time).

But I think of 2003, when it was a 3 player draft (including Darko). We got Bosh at #4, but could have picked Wade at #5.

Or 2011. We didn't win the Kyrie sweepstakes, and fell to #5 in a three or four player draft, thereby missing out on Derrick Williams (he of the one big dunk) and Enes Kanter. Fortunately Cleveland saved our bacon by drafting TT, allowing us to finally get the big slow, traditional C we coveted, such a valuable asset in the NBA for the decade to come. Or we could have drafted Klay, Kawhi or Jimmy Butler.

[S.W.A.N]

You want FVV gone ? Get a guard with this pick and pray we hit on him.

If you go with Leonard Miller or other wings, FVV will be here for the foreseeable future.

Point Scottie saves the day.

That said, regardless of FVV situation we should be going bpa. If Miller is a tier above guys like Bufkin and Bilal then that is what we should do.

I do think that we end up drafting a guard as the number of talented shooters/lead guards/combo guards is far higher than the bigs. Unless a Hendricks or Walker fall into our lap.

[gbball]

Some of yall are taking this Bilal thing way too far. Same potential as Sharpe? Wtf

Sharpe has TMac, Vince Carter type fluidity and feel. Bilal is slightly more skilled than OG. There's as much a gap between them skill wise as there is between Jokic and Aron Baynes.

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I said last year that Sharpe gave me T-Mac/Vince hybrid vibes and people thought I was silly. The year before, I saw Mobley as a rich mans Bosh. This year I see a lot of young T-Mac in Bilal. Similar size/length and swiss-army knife - they can become anything potential with their mix of tools, skill and iq. Toronto T-Mac was an offense/defense jack of all trades before becoming mainly a scorer in Orlando.

Bilal has high potential as an on ball offensive initiator as he's shown in the jr levels. At the sr. level he plays a limited disciplined role, but all the stuff he did at the jr. level looks like it translates when he's called upon. On top of that he projects to maintain his size and athleticism advantage when he gets to the NBA. If some of us can see, there are NBA executives who will see it too.

Not a lot of prospects have clear superstar potential. Bilal does for me. He's not a regular prospect that you see every year. Neither was Shadeon, neither was Mobley.

[bballsparkin]

Lively might have the highest upside of guys ranked outside the lotto. I'm slightly iff on his compete as he seems too laid back and doesn't really attack his drills during workouts the way you'd like, but you can see the rare skill and talent at that size.

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Impressive. With Wemby entering the league this guy might not be bad to have on your roster. Not bad at all.

[HumbleRen]

You want FVV gone ? Get a guard with this pick and pray we hit on him.

If you go with Leonard Miller or other wings, FVV will be here for the foreseeable future.

Point Scottie saves the day.

That said, regardless of FVV situation we should be going bpa. If Miller is a tier above guys like Bufkin and Bilal then that is what we should do.

I do think that we end up drafting a guard as the number of talented shooters/lead guards/combo guards is far higher than the bigs. Unless a Hendricks or Walker fall into our lap.

I mean at some point you need to go for fit.

We've gone 3 straight years with 0 nba guard depth outside of FVV. GTJ doesn't even count to me, he has more of a wing skillset then a guard skillset.

It's just not tenable anymore.

[PhilBlackson]

Why are the Raptors always picking x in what is clearly a x-1 man draft? The league clearly has it in for us.

I still remember when we were picking 4th in what was a 3 player+ 1 (Suggs) draft. Or picking 9th in what was a 8 player draft (and got Poeltl,Siakam,FVV)

Yeah, those examples (and we could easily have picked Sabonis at 9, but I actually preferred Poeltl at the time).

But I think of 2003, when it was a 3 player draft (including Darko). We got Bosh at #4, but could have picked Wade at #5.

Or 2011. We didn't win the Kyrie sweepstakes, and fell to #5 in a three or four player draft, thereby missing out on Derrick Williams (he of the one big dunk) and Enes Kanter. Fortunately Cleveland saved our bacon by drafting TT, allowing us to finally get the big slow, traditional C we coveted, such a valuable asset in the NBA for the decade to come. Or we could have drafted Klay, Kawhi or Jimmy Butler.

How can you forget about the notorious Coin Toss Ross?!?

Then BC claiming he was set on ironically trying to draft Lillard but Casey needed to reinforce that winning culture too.

[S.W.A.N]

You want FVV gone ? Get a guard with this pick and pray we hit on him.

If you go with Leonard Miller or other wings, FVV will be here for the foreseeable future.

Point Scottie saves the day.

That said, regardless of FVV situation we should be going bpa. If Miller is a tier above guys like Bufkin and Bilal then that is what we should do.

I do think that we end up drafting a guard as the number of talented shooters/lead guards/combo guards is far higher than the bigs. Unless a Hendricks or Walker fall into our lap.

I mean at some point you need to go for fit.

We've gone 3 straight years with 0 nba guard depth outside of FVV. GTJ doesn't even count to me, he has more of a wing skillset then a guard skillset.

It's just not tenable anymore.

In a vacuum I agree.

But if we are really in a scenario where we might be trading one of Pascal or OG things look very different.

I'm going to be hoping for Bufkin/Bilal this year the same way I was hoping for Scottie last year. I think both fit the idea of BPA and fit. (Bilal less so but higher upside).

I'm not even a Scoot guy. I'd rather have Black or Wallace and more assets vs Scoot. But that a different topic

[Kevin Willis]

Some of yall are taking this Bilal thing way too far. Same potential as Sharpe? Wtf

Sharpe has TMac, Vince Carter type fluidity and feel. Bilal is slightly more skilled than OG. There's as much a gap between them skill wise as there is between Jokic and Aron Baynes.

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Sharpe has VC vibes (explosive). Bilal has TMac / Pippen vibes (float). OG is rigid, stiff and has Joey Graham vibes.

[dozo]

You want FVV gone ? Get a guard with this pick and pray we hit on him.

If you go with Leonard Miller or other wings, FVV will be here for the foreseeable future.

Point Scottie saves the day.

That said, regardless of FVV situation we should be going bpa. If Miller is a tier above guys like Bufkin and Bilal then that is what we should do.

I do think that we end up drafting a guard as the number of talented shooters/lead guards/combo guards is far higher than the bigs. Unless a Hendricks or Walker fall into our lap.

I mean at some point you need to go for fit.

We've gone 3 straight years with 0 nba guard depth outside of FVV. GTJ doesn't even count to me, he has more of a wing skillset then a guard skillset.

It's just not tenable anymore.

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It’s hard to say BPA past the first 4-5 guys in a draft most of the time, because after you get to a certain point, a lot of the players are very similar in terms of impact on the court. Where they differ is their individual skill sets, and some intangibles that as an armchair scout, it is hard to know about. I believe that all 30 teams have (and should have) different draft philosophies because all 30 teams have different personnel and priorities. “KYP” or “Know Your Personnel” is often used when talking about who to put on the court, but I think it applies come draft time too.

For example, if your team just drafted a scoring guard last year with a high pick, it may not be a great idea to draft another scoring guard right after that. Additionally, say you don’t have any coaches who are primed for big man development. Drafting a raw big man who may be considered BPA in the late lottery might not be the best selection for your team. At the end of the day it is about building a long-term roster, and if you don’t see how other important pieces on your team can mesh with a potential draftee, or how you can develop him to do so, then it may not be worth drafting said player.

As I said earlier, I think when you get to a certain point, a lot of the players are similar in impact, and it’s about finding which player will have the most opportunity to make an impact on your team. That’s why I believe in focusing more on tiers than on specific rankings on players. If you have a guy who is a tier ahead of everyone else left on your board but may not fit your roster or personnel immediately, go ahead and draft him! He’s clearly the best player available and you consider him to be at a different level than other prospects, so it’s worth it! But if everybody left on your board is of the same tier, it’s good to look for who fits your team’s personnel best, not just on the court right now, but with the locker room, with the coaching staff, and the team you envision building in the future. More often than not, the Best Player Available is whoever is the best player for your team, not who is the most talented.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[bballsparkin]

KYP baby. Know Your Personnel. I like it.

[HumbleRen]

Point Scottie saves the day.

That said, regardless of FVV situation we should be going bpa. If Miller is a tier above guys like Bufkin and Bilal then that is what we should do.

I do think that we end up drafting a guard as the number of talented shooters/lead guards/combo guards is far higher than the bigs. Unless a Hendricks or Walker fall into our lap.

I mean at some point you need to go for fit.

We've gone 3 straight years with 0 nba guard depth outside of FVV. GTJ doesn't even count to me, he has more of a wing skillset then a guard skillset.

It's just not tenable anymore.

Read on Twitter

It’s hard to say BPA past the first 4-5 guys in a draft most of the time, because after you get to a certain point, a lot of the players are very similar in terms of impact on the court. Where they differ is their individual skill sets, and some intangibles that as an armchair scout, it is hard to know about. I believe that all 30 teams have (and should have) different draft philosophies because all 30 teams have different personnel and priorities. “KYP” or “Know Your Personnel” is often used when talking about who to put on the court, but I think it applies come draft time too.

For example, if your team just drafted a scoring guard last year with a high pick, it may not be a great idea to draft another scoring guard right after that. Additionally, say you don’t have any coaches who are primed for big man development. Drafting a raw big man who may be considered BPA in the late lottery might not be the best selection for your team. At the end of the day it is about building a long-term roster, and if you don’t see how other important pieces on your team can mesh with a potential draftee, or how you can develop him to do so, then it may not be worth drafting said player.

As I said earlier, I think when you get to a certain point, a lot of the players are similar in impact, and it’s about finding which player will have the most opportunity to make an impact on your team. That’s why I believe in focusing more on tiers than on specific rankings on players. If you have a guy who is a tier ahead of everyone else left on your board but may not fit your roster or personnel immediately, go ahead and draft him! He’s clearly the best player available and you consider him to be at a different level than other prospects, so it’s worth it! But if everybody left on your board is of the same tier, it’s good to look for who fits your team’s personnel best, not just on the court right now, but with the locker room, with the coaching staff, and the team you envision building in the future. More often than not, the Best Player Available is whoever is the best player for your team, not who is the most talented.

Very well said.

[OAKLEY_2]

You want FVV gone ? Get a guard with this pick and pray we hit on him.

If you go with Leonard Miller or other wings, FVV will be here for the foreseeable future.

While that is an amusing take you are not basing the selection on Fred whereabouts. The beauty of this draft is a point guard might be best player available but lots to like at this draft position. If Silver says: with the 13th pick in the 2023 NBA draft the Ta Ron Toe Raptors select: Keyonte George, Cason Wallace, Leonard Miller, Rayan Rupert, Bilal Coulibaly or Gradey D. I will think they had it figured out.

[HumbleRen]

You want FVV gone ? Get a guard with this pick and pray we hit on him.

If you go with Leonard Miller or other wings, FVV will be here for the foreseeable future.

While that is an amusing take you are not basing the selection on Fred whereabouts. The beauty of this draft is a point guard might be best player available but lots to like at this draft position. If Silver says: with the 13th pick in the 2023 NBA draft the Ta Ron Toe Raptors select: Keyonte George, Cason Wallace, Leonard Miller, Rayan Rupert, Bilal Coulibaly or Gradey D. I will think they had it figured out.

I admire your optimism.

[OAKLEY_2]

Some of yall are taking this Bilal thing way too far. Same potential as Sharpe? Wtf

Sharpe has TMac, Vince Carter type fluidity and feel. Bilal is slightly more skilled than OG. There's as much a gap between them skill wise as there is between Jokic and Aron Baynes.

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OG is not the shakiest and bakiest of ball movers but... i want him in my starting 5.

Sharpe has VC vibes (explosive). Bilal has TMac / Pippen vibes (float). OG is rigid, stiff and has Joey Graham vibes.

[WuTang_CMB]

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