Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6

[HumbleRen]

The sooner Scottie gets over this infatuation with being a PG, the better off he will be.

His skills and body type just does not lend itself to being a lead ball handler any time soon.

His handles are fine for it. He doesn't have the shot for it at the moment and he's obviously not a real PG... but having multiple guys who can get out and handle in transition is nice. If he can run some PnR, that's also nice for us. He doesn't need to be a 10 apg to be of value with that versatility. His issues right now predominantly orbit his scoring inefficacy, not him being deployed as a ball-handler. He could certainly use some more sets where he is put in position for some better shots, though.

He certainly has the physical tools to be interesting. Now we need him to start actually doing something with them, while trying to find ways to make that easier for him.

I wish he tried to emulate what Jimmy does rather than Magic Johnson. That’s the archetype he should be trying to get like. A big body wing that uses his strength to get to his spots.

[tsherkin]

I wish he tried to emulate what Jimmy does rather than Magic Johnson. That’s the archetype he should be trying to get like. A big body wing that uses his strength to get to his spots.

It's certainly one thing for him to look at. Right now, Barnes is a lot more physical tools than skills of any kind, so we'll see what he can develop and what he brings to the table this season.

[Syd-TK3]

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[SkywalkerAC]

That shooting form is stinky.

At this point I just gotta raise my hands up to the basketball gods and pray the form just works lol.

Shawn Marion shot over 38% from 3 multiple seasons, pretty sure Scottie’s form is fine in comparison.

[tsherkin]

That shooting form is stinky.

At this point I just gotta raise my hands up to the basketball gods and pray the form just works lol.

Shawn Marion shot over 38% from 3 multiple seasons, pretty sure Scottie’s form is fine in comparison.

Yes, at some point, it's about the player's comfort and rhythm/reps and all that. We'll see if it translates.

[tecumseh18]

Gotta say, Scottie is maturing before our eyes. His post-practice interview was like listening to a different person.

Still not as shocking as Gary's media day interview. But pretty good. If he's going to be a point guard, then he has to have that base level maturity.

[SkywalkerAC]

That shooting form is stinky.

At this point I just gotta raise my hands up to the basketball gods and pray the form just works lol.

Shawn Marion shot over 38% from 3 multiple seasons, pretty sure Scottie’s form is fine in comparison.

Yes, at some point, it's about the player's comfort and rhythm/reps and all that. We'll see if it translates.

He shot 30 percent from the NBA 3 as a 20 year old rookie, I think Marion was still in JuCo at that age. There’s plenty of reason to think it will, this year.

[tsherkin]

He shot 30 percent from the NBA 3 as a 20 year old rookie, I think Marion was still in JuCo at that age. There’s plenty of reason to think it will, this year.

They are two very different players. I don't think Scottie's form is a barrier, I think he needs to learn how to shoot from everywhere. And yes, Marion was 21 as a rookie, but he also didn't connect competently from 3 until his 3rd season (at age 23), and was a considerably better FT shooter than Scottie, so he may not be the best point of comparison.

EDIT: Scottie has a chance, it's not like he needs to get written off, I'm just always leery about developmental issues like that.

[SkywalkerAC]

He shot 30 percent from the NBA 3 as a 20 year old rookie, I think Marion was still in JuCo at that age. There’s plenty of reason to think it will, this year.

They are two very different players. I don't think Scottie's form is a barrier, I think he needs to learn how to shoot from everywhere. And yes, Marion was 21 as a rookie, but he also didn't connect competently from 3 until his 3rd season (at age 23), and was a considerably better FT shooter than Scottie, so he may not be the best point of comparison.

EDIT: Scottie has a chance, it's not like he needs to get written off, I'm just always leery about developmental issues like that.

Developmental issues like what?

The comparison to Marion shows how far ahead Scottie is in his developmental progress. He’s got a ton of nba reps, from all over the court, under his belt.

[tsherkin]

Developmental issues like what?

Massive skill deficiencies at the start. He's young, but he's lacking heavily in scoring tools. Again, as you've noted, he's young, so there is the chance that he'll trend up and that would be a boon for us. But he's working from a place without critical skills and it's always dicier to work with someone who lacks than someone who has and needs more to work on mentally putting everything together than on building foundational skills.

The comparison to Marion shows how far ahead Scottie is in his developmental progress. He’s got a ton of nba reps, from all over the court, under his belt.

No, he doesn't. He illustrates one developmental path which may or may not translate to Scottie's situation, and with a dude who had more touch earlier. At Scottie's age, Marion was a nearly 85% free throw shooter even if his 3pt shot wasn't there yet, and he took 0.4 and 1.0 3PA/g over his first couple of seasons. He also played 51 games as a rookie and was a nearly 40% shooter from 16-3P even as a rookie. There are contextual differences between the two at the same age.

Again, might Scottie learn how to shoot? Yes, he might. Using Marion as a parallel isn't hot, though, because even as a rook, Marion was a better shooter than Scottie is at the same age.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Rookie Marion was a freak.

[HiJiNX]

The nitpicking is outta control. I can’t wait until the games start.

[WaltFrazier]

Gotta say, Scottie is maturing before our eyes. His post-practice interview was like listening to a different person.

Still not as shocking as Gary's media day interview. But pretty good. If he's going to be a point guard, then he has to have that base level maturity.

To really be a leader he needs to shake his head at the immaturity of new young guys like Gradey and explain how he tried to tell them...

[tsherkin]

The nitpicking is outta control. I can’t wait until the games start.

The sooner the better. Speculation can be fun, but seeing the real thing is much more engaging.

For my part, I hope Scottie takes a meaningful leap. He wasn't very good last year, but he's got loads and loads of potential. He's very young, he only has 150 RS games or so under his belt, and he's got great physical tools, but that's a song we've heard many, many times over the years in this sport. He has time, but a little discontent and concern isn't unwarranted, because he has a lot of work to do.

Only cure for the wonder is to see the games played and see how Scottie does, though. And I think anyone sensible is hoping he looks awesome and makes any critics look bad in the process, myself included, heh.

[Clay Davis]

Gotta say, Scottie is maturing before our eyes. His post-practice interview was like listening to a different person.

Still not as shocking as Gary's media day interview. But pretty good. If he's going to be a point guard, then he has to have that base level maturity.

To really be a leader he needs to shake his head at the immaturity of new young guys like Gradey and explain how he tried to tell them...

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[junot111]

None of this is "biology defying". Its entirely possible with the right regiment and diet (lots of protein and carbs)

Cardiovascular training means burning calories... which means you would not achieve enough of a surplus to gain 9 lbs of muscle over a single summer... nevermind the fact that Scottie is already carrying a lot of muscle which means he wouldn't gain that much even if he was ignoring cardio... lol I forgot this was realgm tho where people don't lift. Carry on

You dont know if all he was doing was cardio. How do swimmers gain weight? Do you know how many calories they burn? Hes still young.

I have trainer how gained similar mass over a season. Modern diets and supplements allow you to pack on protein and carbs very efficiently

How many swimmers with a build like Scottie put on 9 lbs in a summer while maintaining or improving their stamina? Was your trainer a professional athlete?

You guys are describing the growth potential of a normal person. We are talking about a professional athlete who plays 35MPG in the NBA who already has a very muscular build. For his build, just to gain 9 lbs of muscle alone would require cutting out a lot of cardio exercise. To improve his conditioning which is already elite is completely contradictory to gaining muscle.

[brownbobcat]

Cardiovascular training means burning calories... which means you would not achieve enough of a surplus to gain 9 lbs of muscle over a single summer... nevermind the fact that Scottie is already carrying a lot of muscle which means he wouldn't gain that much even if he was ignoring cardio... lol I forgot this was realgm tho where people don't lift. Carry on

You dont know if all he was doing was cardio. How do swimmers gain weight? Do you know how many calories they burn? Hes still young.

I have trainer how gained similar mass over a season. Modern diets and supplements allow you to pack on protein and carbs very efficiently

How many swimmers with a build like Scottie put on 9 lbs in a summer while maintaining or improving their stamina? Was your trainer a professional athlete?

You guys are describing the growth potential of a normal person. We are talking about a professional athlete who plays 35MPG in the NBA who already has a very muscular build. For his build, just to gain 9 lbs of muscle alone would require cutting out a lot of cardio exercise. To improve his conditioning which is already elite is completely contradictory to gaining muscle.

Look at Curry, he's put on mass while having an extreme cardio workout - he's not going on a caloric deficit by jogging on a treadmill.

[sbsat]

You dont know if all he was doing was cardio. How do swimmers gain weight? Do you know how many calories they burn? Hes still young.

I have trainer how gained similar mass over a season. Modern diets and supplements allow you to pack on protein and carbs very efficiently

How many swimmers with a build like Scottie put on 9 lbs in a summer while maintaining or improving their stamina? Was your trainer a professional athlete?

You guys are describing the growth potential of a normal person. We are talking about a professional athlete who plays 35MPG in the NBA who already has a very muscular build. For his build, just to gain 9 lbs of muscle alone would require cutting out a lot of cardio exercise. To improve his conditioning which is already elite is completely contradictory to gaining muscle.

Look at Curry, he's put on mass while having an extreme cardio workout - he's not going on a caloric deficit by jogging on a treadmill.

Calories in vs calories out. Protein to build muscle. This is pretty simple. Cardio does not burn as much calories as you think. Something like swimming does. It is not hard for him to do this over a span of 4-5 months.

[brownbobcat]

We have 2 guys with clear strength advantage against more than half the league, let them switch

What's important is we don't waste 15 seconds of the offense with telegraphed dribble hand offs with the big 30 feet from the basket not even looking to score, that's how they switched last year versus purposeful actions we should expect this year

The problem is that Scottie doesn't utilize his strength effectively in a lot of situations. He does "OK" backing guys down, but not effectively enough to warp defenses. The team needs more shooters in order to help him out, but he also needs to start nailing jumpers after pushing guys off.

[DG88]

Interesting to see how he looks Sunday. Won't get hyped over preseason results as they mean very little but will give us a glimpse of what he maybe capable of this season.