Former Raptor discussion thread 3.0

[mdenny]

Hmmm hadn't ever considered that but it seems true that his injuries are all kinda bizarre. We've been chalking it up to bad luck for years now. I wonder if he just kinda likes time off on the low.

Right they cut into his elbow to take out a loose bone fragment that wasn't really there

I think we are referencing more the 18 other injuries that have taken place over the last half decade.

The guy has played more than 48 guys in a season ONE TIME 2020.

He has played a total of 199 games since the 2021-22 season began. That was the Tampa bay season. Barnes, who was drafted a whole year after that, has played 209 in that same span.

No way around it - OG is injury prone and it is generally is not serious injuries nor anything reoccuring.

Here is a list of his injuries per foxsports:

Spoiler:

1/29/24

Elbow
11/13/23

Finger
10/28/23

Leg
4/8/23

Ankle
4/3/23

Ankle
1/28/23

Wrist
1/21/23

Ankle
12/10/22

Hip
2/25/22

Finger
11/17/21

Health and safety protocols

5/15/21

Injury Recovery
5/12/21

Injury Management
5/10/21

Injury Recovery
5/7/21

Injury Management
5/4/21

Injury Management
4/18/21

Calf
4/16/21

Rest
4/11/21

Rest
3/22/21

Rest
3/2/21

Health and Safety Protocols
2/19/21

Rest
1/29/21

Calf
1/27/21

Calf
8/12/20

Knee

Literally every body part it seems

And it seems like so many of those injuries looked liked he'd be out a game or two but then it ends up being three weeks or something like that. It might just be bad luck. It's not like I think he'd be ducking the playoffs. And I'm sure there's plenty of players who don't necessarily mind the time off and not having to travel for a couple weeks here and there.

[WaltFrazier]

Hmmm hadn't ever considered that but it seems true that his injuries are all kinda bizarre. We've been chalking it up to bad luck for years now. I wonder if he just kinda likes time off on the low.

Right they cut into his elbow to take out a loose bone fragment that wasn't really there

I think we are referencing more the 18 other injuries that have taken place over the last half decade.

The guy has played more than 48 guys in a season ONE TIME 2020.

He played 67 games just last year.

First three seasons 74, 67, 69.

Yes he's had injuries. I wasn't denying that, just disputing the absurd moronic accusation by another poster, not you, that he's a malingerer who just likes to take games off.

I do wonder if his body is maybe too heavily muscled which leads to the lower body injuries. Maybe needs to re-exa his summer training program.

This elbow thing, who knows what causes that. Carmelo, Paul Pierce, Joe Johnson all had the same surgery.
https://instreetclothes.com/2024/02/07/understanding-og-anunobys-elbow-injury/

[mdenny]

Right they cut into his elbow to take out a loose bone fragment that wasn't really there

I think we are referencing more the 18 other injuries that have taken place over the last half decade.

The guy has played more than 48 guys in a season ONE TIME 2020.

He played 67 games just last year.

First three seasons 74, 67, 69.

Yes he's had injuries. I wasn't denying that, just disputing the absurd moronic accusation by another poster, not you, that he's a malingerer who just likes to take games off.

I do wonder if his body is maybe too heavily muscled which leads to the lower body injuries. Maybe needs to re-exa his summer training program.

This elbow thing, who knows what causes that. Carmelo, Paul Pierce, Joe Johnson all had the same surgery.
https://instreetclothes.com/2024/02/07/understanding-og-anunobys-elbow-injury/

Don't know about Carmelo and pierce.....but Joe Johnson was out 19 days. OG has been out 34 so far and no return date announced lol.

And even though in this case it's probably not his fault....but once again...it started with "og might miss a game or two" and ended up being multiple weeks. How many times has that happened? Gotta be at least 4 or 5.

And for the record...this is the first time I've ever even entertained the idea that OG balloons his downtime for minor injuries.

[Los_29]

OG just doesn’t have the fluidity to stay healthy. Everything he does looks awkward. He also has a difficult job when playing because he typically guards a variety of positions and plays heavy minutes.

Love what OG brings but man did we get lucky getting IQ and RJ. Best ability is availability and OG is rarely available.

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[WaltFrazier]

I think we are referencing more the 18 other injuries that have taken place over the last half decade.

The guy has played more than 48 guys in a season ONE TIME 2020.

He played 67 games just last year.

First three seasons 74, 67, 69.

Yes he's had injuries. I wasn't denying that, just disputing the absurd moronic accusation by another poster, not you, that he's a malingerer who just likes to take games off.

I do wonder if his body is maybe too heavily muscled which leads to the lower body injuries. Maybe needs to re-exa his summer training program.

This elbow thing, who knows what causes that. Carmelo, Paul Pierce, Joe Johnson all had the same surgery.
https://instreetclothes.com/2024/02/07/understanding-og-anunobys-elbow-injury/

Don't know about Carmelo and pierce.....but Joe Johnson was out 19 days. OG has been out 34 so far and no return date announced lol.

And even though in this case it's probably not his fault....but once again...it started with "og might miss a game or two" and ended up being multiple weeks. How many times has that happened? Gotta be at least 4 or 5.

And for the record...this is the first time I've ever even entertained the idea that OG balloons his downtime for minor injuries.

He guards the best opponent(s) every game. He's a selfless team player. Even assuming he's selfish, which he's not, he always talks about wanting to make All Defense and even DPOY. So I can't imagine he'd intentionally exaggerate an injury knowing it'd put him below the 65 game threshold for awards. Not to mention it's a contract year. Doesn't make sense he would miss games on purpose.

Different players have different pain tolerance levels, and heal at different rates. I would never ascribe a character flaw to a player's medical issues

[YogurtProducer]

He played 67 games just last year.

First three seasons 74, 67, 69.

Yes he's had injuries. I wasn't denying that, just disputing the absurd moronic accusation by another poster, not you, that he's a malingerer who just likes to take games off.

I do wonder if his body is maybe too heavily muscled which leads to the lower body injuries. Maybe needs to re-exa his summer training program.

This elbow thing, who knows what causes that. Carmelo, Paul Pierce, Joe Johnson all had the same surgery.
https://instreetclothes.com/2024/02/07/understanding-og-anunobys-elbow-injury/

Don't know about Carmelo and pierce.....but Joe Johnson was out 19 days. OG has been out 34 so far and no return date announced lol.

And even though in this case it's probably not his fault....but once again...it started with "og might miss a game or two" and ended up being multiple weeks. How many times has that happened? Gotta be at least 4 or 5.

And for the record...this is the first time I've ever even entertained the idea that OG balloons his downtime for minor injuries.

He guards the best opponent(s) every game. He's a selfless team player. Even assuming he's selfish, which he's not, he always talks about wanting to make All Defense and even DPOY. So I can't imagine he'd intentionally exaggerate an injury knowing it'd put him below the 65 game threshold for awards. Not to mention it's a contract year. Doesn't make sense he would miss games on purpose.

Different players have different pain tolerance levels, and heal at different rates. I would never ascribe a character flaw to a player's medical issues

I dont think anyone was attacking OG's character at all. The closest being me questioning if OG has a lower pain tolerance than most.

But either way, every single NBA player talks about being unselfish, making the right plays, doing whatever it takes to win, etc. It is not impressive for any single player to say those things when that is what is expected. What counts is whether it comes to fruition on the floor.

But the fact remains OG misses way to many games. Anyone giving him a big contract is taking a huge risk when a guy at his healthiest still misses 10-15 games a year, but usually misses 20-30.

[Dennis 37]

Somehow I just realized that Malachi is in Detroit and Banton is in Portland.

Going from the Knicks and Celtics to Detroit and Portland is quite a step down for both.

[WaltFrazier]

Don't know about Carmelo and pierce.....but Joe Johnson was out 19 days. OG has been out 34 so far and no return date announced lol.

And even though in this case it's probably not his fault....but once again...it started with "og might miss a game or two" and ended up being multiple weeks. How many times has that happened? Gotta be at least 4 or 5.

And for the record...this is the first time I've ever even entertained the idea that OG balloons his downtime for minor injuries.

He guards the best opponent(s) every game. He's a selfless team player. Even assuming he's selfish, which he's not, he always talks about wanting to make All Defense and even DPOY. So I can't imagine he'd intentionally exaggerate an injury knowing it'd put him below the 65 game threshold for awards. Not to mention it's a contract year. Doesn't make sense he would miss games on purpose.

Different players have different pain tolerance levels, and heal at different rates. I would never ascribe a character flaw to a player's medical issues

I dont think anyone was attacking OG's character at all. The closest being me questioning if OG has a lower pain tolerance than most.

But either way, every single NBA player talks about being unselfish, making the right plays, doing whatever it takes to win, etc. It is not impressive for any single player to say those things when that is what is expected. What counts is whether it comes to fruition on the floor.

But the fact remains OG misses way to many games. Anyone giving him a big contract is taking a huge risk when a guy at his healthiest still misses 10-15 games a year, but usually misses 20-30.

I know you weren't questioning his character.

OG is not one of those players who talks about being unselfish or playing the right way, he walks the walk. They were 12-2 with him, he had a historically high+/- in January, he was playing amazing defense, headed for 1st team All D for sure. I look forward to him coming back and continuing his great play through the playoffs. Some here, not you YogurtProducer, sadly seem to revel in a player's injuries and have an insecure need to talk about who "won" the trade.

[WaltFrazier]

Somehow I just realized that Malachi is in Detroit and Banton is in Portland.

Going from the Knicks and Celtics to Detroit and Portland is quite a step down for both.

FWIW I saw Malachi and Thibs have a warm handshake and hug after the recent Pistons Knicks game. I haven't really followed his play in Detroit but I think he's getting a few more minutes than in NY. Haven't followed Banton lately but I saw he had 2-3 games with decent boxscore numbers when he first got to Portland. Hope to see them both thrive in their careers.

[YogurtProducer]

Somehow I just realized that Malachi is in Detroit and Banton is in Portland.

Going from the Knicks and Celtics to Detroit and Portland is quite a step down for both.

FWIW I saw Malachi and Thibs have a warm handshake and hug after the recent Pistons Knicks game. I haven't really followed his play in Detroit but I think he's getting a few more minutes than in NY. Haven't followed Banton lately but I saw he had 2-3 games with decent boxscore numbers when he first got to Portland. Hope to see them both thrive in their careers.

Banton has still been the same old Banton, just getting more minutes on a horrible team

[MiamiSPX]

OG just doesn’t have the fluidity to stay healthy. Everything he does looks awkward. He also has a difficult job when playing because he typically guards a variety of positions and plays heavy minutes.

Love what OG brings but man did we get lucky getting IQ and RJ. Best ability is availability and OG is rarely available.

Giving OG and Siakam a combined 450M guaranteed (assuming 200 + 250, respectively) just isn't good business, and I am glad Masai saw it that way. They each landed in places where those contracts can be justified, so I am happy for them. I hope they both get maxed out, because they are great dudes, and because I think both contracts will eventually hamper our rivals. OG's sooner rather than later, unfortunately.

[TheGeneral99]

Knicks slumping hard right now.

OG is a really good player, but his issue has always been durability...he just can't stay healthy for a full season and routinely misses 20-30 games a year.

[Tripod]

Siakam -43 in only 20:22 minutes is pretty crazy

[Los_29]

OG just doesn’t have the fluidity to stay healthy. Everything he does looks awkward. He also has a difficult job when playing because he typically guards a variety of positions and plays heavy minutes.

Love what OG brings but man did we get lucky getting IQ and RJ. Best ability is availability and OG is rarely available.

Giving OG and Siakam a combined 450M guaranteed (assuming 200 + 250, respectively) just isn't good business, and I am glad Masai saw it that way. They each landed in places where those contracts can be justified, so I am happy for them. I hope they both get maxed out, because they are great dudes, and because I think both contracts will eventually hamper our rivals. OG's sooner rather than later, unfortunately.

Yeah it would have been bad considering how mediocre we were. Indiana has a lot of young players on rookie contracts. They could afford to pay Pascal and it will probably workout. When they are healthy they could be a good team.

I don’t know if OG is worth the contract he will likely get. No denying he fits that team very well though. Just hope he can figure out a way to stay healthy.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Siakam -43 in only 20:22 minutes is pretty crazy

does anyone know what the pacers record has been since the siakam trade.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

OG just doesn’t have the fluidity to stay healthy. Everything he does looks awkward. He also has a difficult job when playing because he typically guards a variety of positions and plays heavy minutes.

Love what OG brings but man did we get lucky getting IQ and RJ. Best ability is availability and OG is rarely available.

Giving OG and Siakam a combined 450M guaranteed (assuming 200 + 250, respectively) just isn't good business, and I am glad Masai saw it that way. They each landed in places where those contracts can be justified, so I am happy for them. I hope they both get maxed out, because they are great dudes, and because I think both contracts will eventually hamper our rivals. OG's sooner rather than later, unfortunately.

Yeah it would have been bad considering how mediocre we were. Indiana has a lot of young players on rookie contracts. They could afford to pay Pascal and it will probably workout. When they are healthy they could be a good team.

I don’t know if OG is worth the contract he will likely get. No denying he fits that team very well though. Just hope he can figure out a way to stay healthy.

for next year, sure but after that players will be up for extensions. they will still have the opportunity to make trades but prob won't be able to trade near-future picks because they owe that to us. that puts somewhat of a cap in terms of significantly getting better.

[MiamiSPX]

Siakam -43 in only 20:22 minutes is pretty crazy

does anyone know what the pacers record has been since the siakam trade.

I think it's 10-10.

[WaltFrazier]

Banton 19/7/3 in 20 minutes vs Grizz

[YogurtProducer]

Siakam -43 in only 20:22 minutes is pretty crazy

does anyone know what the pacers record has been since the siakam trade.

I think it's 10-10.

Hailiburton has not been the same since he got hurt. Only playing 28-29mpg, averages down to 15/9 instead of 24/13 before the trade.