Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 8

[YogurtProducer]

That 3p% has really plummeted. But not much else you can ask from your 22 year old star.

Since January 1st he is shooting 28 percent from 3. I don’t think he’s necessarily that bad but obviously not as good as the 40 percent clip he was shooting during his hot stretch this season. Hoping he settles at 35-37 percent when it’s all said and done.

So far he's started each season hot and that seems to go longer and longer into the season so it's likely conditioning / his legs.

Almost wish he wasn't at the All-Star game so he could rest. ALMOST... but who cares about this season, so go enjoy it.

To be fair the all-star game effort level is probably not much more of a load than sitting around would be

I wonder if it is conditioning or if his fundamentals just start to slip throughout the year when he does not have a trainer with him everyday making sure everything looks right. Because you are right, his 3pt % over his career is drastically higher to start the year. By month in his career it is

40%
35%
35%
26%
34%
21%
26%

[Indeed]

Scottie Barnes at the break:

35.2 MIN, 20.1 PPG, 8.1 REB, 6.0 AST, 1.5 BLK, 1.2 STL, .473 FG, .353 3PT, .779 FT, .567 TS, 24.8 USG

That 3p% has really plummeted. But not much else you can ask from your 22 year old star.

Not as many Pascal double team, swing for the Scottie open 3.
I'm not really worried. It's partially a talent/spacing issue.

Not sure our expectation is better talent or spacing. We basically have all the shooters around him, and if we need better talent, why would we trade away Siakam for picks?

It is more him than others, imo.

[James_Raptors]

That 3p% has really plummeted. But not much else you can ask from your 22 year old star.

Not as many Pascal double team, swing for the Scottie open 3.
I'm not really worried. It's partially a talent/spacing issue.

Not sure our expectation is better talent or spacing. We basically have all the shooters around him, and if we need better talent, why would we trade away Siakam for picks?

It is more him than others, imo.

My point was, with Pascal in the lineup, and getting double teamed the most, it created the spacing for the kick-out swing Scottie open 3. Without Pascal, Scottie is the one getting the double teams, or it's straight up D. The looks are more contested, the 3pT% naturally drops.

[Scase]

That 3p% has really plummeted. But not much else you can ask from your 22 year old star.

Since January 1st he is shooting 28 percent from 3. I don’t think he’s necessarily that bad but obviously not as good as the 40 percent clip he was shooting during his hot stretch this season. Hoping he settles at 35-37 percent when it’s all said and done.

So far he's started each season hot and that seems to go longer and longer into the season so it's likely conditioning / his legs.

Almost wish he wasn't at the All-Star game so he could rest. ALMOST... but who cares about this season, so go enjoy it.

I'm willing to chalk this one more up to roster instability than anything, he doesn't seem to be declining the same way as in the past. All in all, I don't think anyone rational can complain about the jump this season. My expectation was for him to settle round 35-36% with Siakam/OG etc. So hopefully he'll still be able to maintain that with the new roster, and who knows, if we get some actual lineups being run with some plays designed to have some players open, we might see it pick back up.

I'm doubtful though with Darkos focus on him playing inside, but that's fine, his 3 just needs to be respectable to open up his game.

[HiJiNX]

Since January 1st he is shooting 28 percent from 3. I don’t think he’s necessarily that bad but obviously not as good as the 40 percent clip he was shooting during his hot stretch this season. Hoping he settles at 35-37 percent when it’s all said and done.

So far he's started each season hot and that seems to go longer and longer into the season so it's likely conditioning / his legs.

Almost wish he wasn't at the All-Star game so he could rest. ALMOST... but who cares about this season, so go enjoy it.

To be fair the all-star game effort level is probably not much more of a load than sitting around would be

I wonder if it is conditioning or if his fundamentals just start to slip throughout the year when he does not have a trainer with him everyday making sure everything looks right. Because you are right, his 3pt % over his career is drastically higher to start the year. By month in his career it is

40%
35%
35%
26%
34%
21%
26%

His form lately looks completely different. Less knee bend. His left leg is placed differently. He’s not holding his follow-through. His hip is turning on his release, which is a thing that Jama worked with Barnes on in the summer. Mechanics have regressed. He just needs more practice. Lots more practice.

[YogurtProducer]

Since January 1st he is shooting 28 percent from 3. I don’t think he’s necessarily that bad but obviously not as good as the 40 percent clip he was shooting during his hot stretch this season. Hoping he settles at 35-37 percent when it’s all said and done.

So far he's started each season hot and that seems to go longer and longer into the season so it's likely conditioning / his legs.

Almost wish he wasn't at the All-Star game so he could rest. ALMOST... but who cares about this season, so go enjoy it.

I'm willing to chalk this one more up to roster instability than anything, he doesn't seem to be declining the same way as in the past. All in all, I don't think anyone rational can complain about the jump this season. My expectation was for him to settle round 35-36% with Siakam/OG etc. So hopefully he'll still be able to maintain that with the new roster, and who knows, if we get some actual lineups being run with some plays designed to have some players open, we might see it pick back up.

I'm doubtful though with Darkos focus on him playing inside, but that's fine, his 3 just needs to be respectable to open up his game.

He is not declining in the same way as the past..? I mean sure, he is doing it on higher volume (and higher volume should eliminate the small sample noise more).

Scottie is gonna be just fine and be a great player, but good god man - you are approaching Bargnani levels of excuses for Scottie. You have some sort of BS schtick for everything he does.

Not sure how roster turnover makes a guy shoot 29% on open and wide open 3's.

[HiJiNX]

I honestly think fans are too blinded by the moment with both Barnes and Masai. In both the good and the bad.

But since this is a Barnes thread i'll focus on him.

It's obvious that Barnes greatest strength is interior scoring, but his bag is still in the development stages.

It's also obvious Wemby is the one of the premier interior shutdown defender.

What basically happened in SA is Wemby had an All Timer type of night and there was nothing the Raptors could do. Barnes or no Barnes.

Keep in mind, Barnes is also the same guy that put up an efficient 24/10/10 against Cleveland the game before, one of the leagues top 5 defensive teams.

In the grander scheme of things, the game makes up for the win against the Rockets, as I both thought the Spurs game was an auto win and the Rockets were an auto lose.

Glad somebody said it—Wemby just shut down our entire team the other night. Nothing our players or the coaching staff could do about it. He’s going to have a lot more of those types of games in the future. If he stays healthy we are looking at a top 5 player all time and a guy I truly think can be the GOAT. How we didn’t tank for him will forever by a huge mistake.

[YogurtProducer]

So far he's started each season hot and that seems to go longer and longer into the season so it's likely conditioning / his legs.

Almost wish he wasn't at the All-Star game so he could rest. ALMOST... but who cares about this season, so go enjoy it.

To be fair the all-star game effort level is probably not much more of a load than sitting around would be

I wonder if it is conditioning or if his fundamentals just start to slip throughout the year when he does not have a trainer with him everyday making sure everything looks right. Because you are right, his 3pt % over his career is drastically higher to start the year. By month in his career it is

40%
35%
35%
26%
34%
21%
26%

His form lately looks completely different. Less knee bend. His left leg is placed differently. He’s not holding his follow-through. His hip is turning on his release, which is a thing that Jama worked with Barnes on in the summer. Mechanics have regressed. He just needs more practice. Lots more practice.

Even earlier in the year I still thought his form was kind of "ugly". They were going in, but they never looked like they should.

[WuTang_CMB]

So far he's started each season hot and that seems to go longer and longer into the season so it's likely conditioning / his legs.

Almost wish he wasn't at the All-Star game so he could rest. ALMOST... but who cares about this season, so go enjoy it.

To be fair the all-star game effort level is probably not much more of a load than sitting around would be

I wonder if it is conditioning or if his fundamentals just start to slip throughout the year when he does not have a trainer with him everyday making sure everything looks right. Because you are right, his 3pt % over his career is drastically higher to start the year. By month in his career it is

40%
35%
35%
26%
34%
21%
26%

His form lately looks completely different. Less knee bend. His left leg is placed differently. He’s not holding his follow-through. His hip is turning on his release, which is a thing that Jama worked with Barnes on in the summer. Mechanics have regressed. He just needs more practice. Lots more practice.

Noticed this too.

[Statistician MK]

Some Raptors' fans say Barnes is out of shape and has been playing poorly this month...
Well, here are the Barnes' 'per 36' stats in February (8 games):

20.0 pts.
8.3 reb.
7.4 ast.

FG .... 45.2%
3Pt ... 30.0%
FT .... 84.2%

I'm not surprised with these numbers... He's an All-star player, right?

[KG1585]

Some Raptors' fans say Barnes is out of shape and has been playing poorly this month...
Well, here are the Barnes' 'per 36' stats in February (8 games):

20.0 pts.
8.3 reb.
7.4 ast.

FG .... 45.2%
3Pt ... 30.0%
FT .... 84.2%

I'm not surprised with these numbers... He's an All-star player, right?

Not really sure what your point is?

[DG88]

So far he's started each season hot and that seems to go longer and longer into the season so it's likely conditioning / his legs.

Almost wish he wasn't at the All-Star game so he could rest. ALMOST... but who cares about this season, so go enjoy it.

To be fair the all-star game effort level is probably not much more of a load than sitting around would be

I wonder if it is conditioning or if his fundamentals just start to slip throughout the year when he does not have a trainer with him everyday making sure everything looks right. Because you are right, his 3pt % over his career is drastically higher to start the year. By month in his career it is

40%
35%
35%
26%
34%
21%
26%

His form lately looks completely different. Less knee bend. His left leg is placed differently. He’s not holding his follow-through. His hip is turning on his release, which is a thing that Jama worked with Barnes on in the summer. Mechanics have regressed. He just needs more practice. Lots more practice.

Form is off plus I would believe less catch and shoot opportunities now that the defense is more geared towards him.

[Scase]

To be fair the all-star game effort level is probably not much more of a load than sitting around would be

I wonder if it is conditioning or if his fundamentals just start to slip throughout the year when he does not have a trainer with him everyday making sure everything looks right. Because you are right, his 3pt % over his career is drastically higher to start the year. By month in his career it is

40%
35%
35%
26%
34%
21%
26%

His form lately looks completely different. Less knee bend. His left leg is placed differently. He’s not holding his follow-through. His hip is turning on his release, which is a thing that Jama worked with Barnes on in the summer. Mechanics have regressed. He just needs more practice. Lots more practice.

Form is off plus I would believe less catch and shoot opportunities now that the defense is more geared towards him.

His shots have definitely looked more rushed lately, but thats part of the respect you get from defenses when you finally start hitting them. Once we get some actual plays being called with proper ball movement, I can see it ticking back up. Spread out the threats on the court some more, and we'll see it pick up again.

Our systems right now are pretty all over the place, some people over pass, others don't pass it enough and we get a bunch of half open looks. For pure shooters, or at least good shooters GTJ/IQ/GD it's not so much of a problem, but players who traditionally aren't great at that, Scottie/RJ/Brown, that little bit of extra space goes a long way.

[YogurtProducer]

His form lately looks completely different. Less knee bend. His left leg is placed differently. He’s not holding his follow-through. His hip is turning on his release, which is a thing that Jama worked with Barnes on in the summer. Mechanics have regressed. He just needs more practice. Lots more practice.

Form is off plus I would believe less catch and shoot opportunities now that the defense is more geared towards him.

His shots have definitely looked more rushed lately, but thats part of the respect you get from defenses when you finally start hitting them. Once we get some actual plays being called with proper ball movement, I can see it ticking back up. Spread out the threats on the court some more, and we'll see it pick up again.

Our systems right now are pretty all over the place, some people over pass, others don't pass it enough and we get a bunch of half open looks. For pure shooters, or at least good shooters GTJ/IQ/GD it's not so much of a problem, but players who traditionally aren't great at that, Scottie/RJ/Brown, that little bit of extra space goes a long way.

Not really the reality of the situation. Since Jan 1 when OG was traded, Scottie has had:

1.8 Open 3's per game and shot 21.4% (Pre trade = 35.1% on 2.4 a game)
2.2 wide open 3's pergame and shot 35.3% (Pre trade = 41.6% on 3.2 a game)

He never took "tightly" contested shots pre or post trade.

There really is nothing to look into here other than Scottie is not hitting his shots. End of story.

[Statistician MK]

20.0 pts.
8.3 reb.
7.4 ast.

FG .... 45.2%
3Pt ... 30.0%
FT .... 84.2%

Not really sure what your point is?

My point is that the stats show that those who say Barnes is playing bad this month are wrong.

[mdenny]

I'm pleased that the other thread was locked up. Good job by the mods. That crap was so unnecessary.

[Tripod]

20-8-6-1.5-1.2 22 year old All Star

Not bad for a guy who can't shoot from the outside, has no mid game, can't beat his man off the dribble, gets few easy basket from others creating for him, and has picked up defensive responsibilities from OG.

[MiamiSPX]

The turnovers are starting to bother me, only because at least half of them are simply due to carelessness. Needs to tidy that up and respect each possession.

[Scase]

The turnovers are starting to bother me, only because at least half of them are simply due to carelessness. Needs to tidy that up and respect each possession.

I think he overestimates how good his teammates hands are, he makes some stupid passes, but they also fumble a ton of simple ones.

[WuTang_CMB]

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