Tank World Order (XIV) Here we go, The Final Stretch of the 2025 Tank Season!!!

[Mak]

Hopefully it does not come to that last game against the Spurs. Spurs schedule is tough.

[Tripod]

So we done worrying?

We're locked in at 7 unless something just wacky happens with SA.

My assumption is it's in the 95-98% chance we're at 7.

That's where I voted we would be months ago when logically looking at everyone's schedule and teams depth.

I didn't expect the Spurs pressuring from the other end since I voted when Wemby was still healthy and after they added Fox.

Some just had unrealistic expectations and didn't want to look at everything objectively and thought we could just lose every game.

[WuTang_CMB]

Healthy we easily win 3-4 more games in that first 41.

That mean 6-7 wins during our tank season. Very easily done. We are having a hard time losing games right now why would that change if we actually tried??

Again, not 10 which is what you said. We would be with Miami and Chicago right now not Detroit.

Seriously? How does 3-4 + 6-7 not =10?

And I didn't say we'd be with Detroit I said we'd be right below them. Which is where Atlanta is.

Even if you want to be more conservative and say 7 more wins from being healthy and not tanking that still puts us 33-41 and on pace to win 40+ games and 7th in the standings... Behind the bucks who have replaced the pistons as the worse of the actual playoff teams.

Either way it sets us up nicely to be a top 6 team in the East next year unless disaster hits again.

Read again. You said 6-7 games and weren't clear. But ya you are spinning. We would not be 10 games better if this team was healthy. We are still at the bottom for 3pt shooting in the league. Sure .. use 7. Thats where chicago currently is, hence my original point. Next year is a fresh start with a top 10 pick and BI. The east is weak, if we stay healthy with the added talent from the draft + BI, improvement of young players we can sit in a late playoff spot.

[Raptaurus]

I low-key want the sixers to win the 1st OA pick to see people lose their minds.

Would that be the worst possible situation for Flagg?

Expectations would be on him immediately to turn the Sixers around.

And really, the problem now for the Sixers is long-term injuries and age. Is it even possible for Embiid & PG to return to form?

I don't see how, Grimes has been balling out, Maxey is legit, and adding Flagg to that would be a fantastic base. They developed Embiid into an MVP, being on a team that can manage that is a good place for any player.

Really the only ankle around their waist is the PG contract, regardless of Embiid and how much people want to clown on him, you'd be very wrong if you think they couldn't move him for a serious package. If they won the 1st pick they could rebuild in the blink of an eye.

I think him going to places like CHA/WAS/ATL being way worse places for him to land, just languish in **** for 5+ years until he demands to be moved. Sounds way worse IMO.

If the Sixers keep their pick this year, they may quickly turn around their fortunes. They got Maxey who is a legit offensive star. They got McCain who looks quite promising. They still got Embid who even if he comes back at 70% of what he was, can net them a bunch of assets. It’s not all doom and gloom for them if they can get a top five pick this year.

[Tripod]

Again, not 10 which is what you said. We would be with Miami and Chicago right now not Detroit.

Seriously? How does 3-4 + 6-7 not =10?

And I didn't say we'd be with Detroit I said we'd be right below them. Which is where Atlanta is.

Even if you want to be more conservative and say 7 more wins from being healthy and not tanking that still puts us 33-41 and on pace to win 40+ games and 7th in the standings... Behind the bucks who have replaced the pistons as the worse of the actual playoff teams.

Either way it sets us up nicely to be a top 6 team in the East next year unless disaster hits again.

Read again. You said 6-7 games but now you are saying a total of 10. But ya you are spinning. We would not be 10 games better if this team was healthy. We are still at the bottom for 3pt shooting the league. Sure .. use 7. Thats where chicago is, hence my original point.

You are crazy if you think this team healthy and trying to win every game, isn't 10 games better right now...at min.

IQ missed 40 game
JKW missed training camp and 25 games
RJ missed 15 games...bunch by design
Yak's missed 15...bunch by design
Barnes played with a bad ankle and broken face and missed 10 games
Boucher was winning us games and we shut him down
KO and BB...people bitched when those vets played and won games...missed 30 &35 games
Ingram hasn't played since acquiring him

So that's just the injuries and "missing games for rest". No need to go into all the crazy lineups we have been putting out there in attempt to lose games.

[WuTang_CMB]

Seriously? How does 3-4 + 6-7 not =10?

And I didn't say we'd be with Detroit I said we'd be right below them. Which is where Atlanta is.

Even if you want to be more conservative and say 7 more wins from being healthy and not tanking that still puts us 33-41 and on pace to win 40+ games and 7th in the standings... Behind the bucks who have replaced the pistons as the worse of the actual playoff teams.

Either way it sets us up nicely to be a top 6 team in the East next year unless disaster hits again.

Read again. You said 6-7 games but now you are saying a total of 10. But ya you are spinning. We would not be 10 games better if this team was healthy. We are still at the bottom for 3pt shooting the league. Sure .. use 7. Thats where chicago is, hence my original point.

You are crazy if you think this team healthy and trying to win every game, isn't 10 games better right now...at min.

IQ missed 40 game
JKW missed training camp and 25 games
RJ missed 15 games...bunch by design
Yak's missed 15...bunch by design
Barnes played with a bad ankle and broken face and missed 10 games
Boucher was winning us games and we shut him down
KO and BB...people bitched when those vets played and won games...missed 30 &35 games
Ingram hasn't played since acquiring him

So that's just the injuries and "missing games for rest". No need to go into all the crazy lineups we have been putting out there in attempt to lose games.

No, I think you guys are stretching and nuts. The first 41 were rough - go look back at the teams we were playing. 10 games is a huge jump and we would have to be playing perfect basketball - just not realistic, we were not a good team injured or not and our lack of 3pt shooting set us back. 5-6 games better is a lot more realistic.

[Duffman100]

Hopefully it does not come to that last game against the Spurs. Spurs schedule is tough.

They have 10 games left, we have 9 with a 5 game lead.

26-47

31-41

Even if we went 9-0, they would have to go 4-6 to tie us.

Say more realistically we go 5-4, they would have completely lose out.

The odds really are completely swung to us having that 7th spot.

[YogurtProducer]

Again, not 10 which is what you said. We would be with Miami and Chicago right now not Detroit.

Seriously? How does 3-4 + 6-7 not =10?

And I didn't say we'd be with Detroit I said we'd be right below them. Which is where Atlanta is.

Even if you want to be more conservative and say 7 more wins from being healthy and not tanking that still puts us 33-41 and on pace to win 40+ games and 7th in the standings... Behind the bucks who have replaced the pistons as the worse of the actual playoff teams.

Either way it sets us up nicely to be a top 6 team in the East next year unless disaster hits again.

Read again. You said 6-7 games and weren't clear. But ya you are spinning. We would not be 10 games better if this team was healthy. We are still at the bottom for 3pt shooting in the league. Sure .. use 7. Thats where chicago currently is, hence my original point. Next year is a fresh start with a top 10 pick and BI. The east is weak, if we stay healthy with the added talent from the draft + BI, improvement of young players we can sit in a late playoff spot.

Oh, we would 100% be 10 games better if not more if healthy. Like its honestly not even a debate.

IQ/Barnes/RJ/Jakob have still only played 9 times together this year and half those IQ was minute restricted. We lost 5 games by one possession or less in the first 18 games while half our rotation was hurt. Ingram hasn't played a minute. We have actively thrown out horrible lines in the past 10-15 games trying to lose.

We're probably going to finish this season with 29/30 wins. This team with average health is a 40-45 win team. With good health could be 45-50. You really think Detroit is 15 wins better than us?

[Duffman100]

Seriously? How does 3-4 + 6-7 not =10?

And I didn't say we'd be with Detroit I said we'd be right below them. Which is where Atlanta is.

Even if you want to be more conservative and say 7 more wins from being healthy and not tanking that still puts us 33-41 and on pace to win 40+ games and 7th in the standings... Behind the bucks who have replaced the pistons as the worse of the actual playoff teams.

Either way it sets us up nicely to be a top 6 team in the East next year unless disaster hits again.

Read again. You said 6-7 games and weren't clear. But ya you are spinning. We would not be 10 games better if this team was healthy. We are still at the bottom for 3pt shooting in the league. Sure .. use 7. Thats where chicago currently is, hence my original point. Next year is a fresh start with a top 10 pick and BI. The east is weak, if we stay healthy with the added talent from the draft + BI, improvement of young players we can sit in a late playoff spot.

Oh, we would 100% be 10 games better if not more if healthy. Like its honestly not even a debate.

IQ/Barnes/RJ/Jakob have still only played 9 times together this year and half those IQ was minute restricted. We lost 5 games by one possession or less in the first 18 games while half our rotation was hurt. Ingram hasn't played a minute. We have actively thrown out horrible lines in the past 10-15 games trying to lose.

We're probably going to finish this season with 29/30 wins. This team with average health is a 40-45 win team. With good health could be 45-50. You really think Detroit is 15 wins better than us?

Yes, the all time argument that we wouldn't be a better team with better players was clearly just wrong.

Health is what matters. The real criticism of next year is relying on a few players (Ingram, Quickley, Barnes) who have dealt with injuries.

[WuTang_CMB]

Seriously? How does 3-4 + 6-7 not =10?

And I didn't say we'd be with Detroit I said we'd be right below them. Which is where Atlanta is.

Even if you want to be more conservative and say 7 more wins from being healthy and not tanking that still puts us 33-41 and on pace to win 40+ games and 7th in the standings... Behind the bucks who have replaced the pistons as the worse of the actual playoff teams.

Either way it sets us up nicely to be a top 6 team in the East next year unless disaster hits again.

Read again. You said 6-7 games and weren't clear. But ya you are spinning. We would not be 10 games better if this team was healthy. We are still at the bottom for 3pt shooting in the league. Sure .. use 7. Thats where chicago currently is, hence my original point. Next year is a fresh start with a top 10 pick and BI. The east is weak, if we stay healthy with the added talent from the draft + BI, improvement of young players we can sit in a late playoff spot.

Oh, we would 100% be 10 games better if not more if healthy. Like its honestly not even a debate.

IQ/Barnes/RJ/Jakob have still only played 9 times together this year and half those IQ was minute restricted. We lost 5 games by one possession or less in the first 18 games while half our rotation was hurt. Ingram hasn't played a minute. We have actively thrown out horrible lines in the past 10-15 games trying to lose.

We're probably going to finish this season with 29/30 wins. This team with average health is a 40-45 win team. With good health could be 45-50. You really think Detroit is 15 wins better than us?

Nah. Its just not realistic. 10 games would have to be with perfect health and supreme play which doesn’t line up for me when you look at the first 41 and the limitations of the group to start the year. Detroit is being led by an all star in Cade who made a huge jump and complimentary 3 point shooters. We are still at the bottom in that regard. Anyways this discussion doesnt matter. Next year with improve talent we will be better and thats all that matters.

[PhilBlackson]

Not that I wanna get too caught up in the convo but I’d agree that we’re probably 10 games better with full health.

It’s not just the first half of the season that we’d accumulate all of them. We could’ve easily gone on a huge win streak with this last portion of the season and there were tons of close games this season even in the first half that easily would’ve went our way with full health/the addition of Ingram.

If we’re healthy I’d actually been stunned if we only have a .500 record next season. But anyways again idc how improbable it is that anyone above us overtakes us, we need to sit out the starters until its official then they can do whatever tf they want, just eliminate all risk, end of story.

[YogurtProducer]

Read again. You said 6-7 games and weren't clear. But ya you are spinning. We would not be 10 games better if this team was healthy. We are still at the bottom for 3pt shooting in the league. Sure .. use 7. Thats where chicago currently is, hence my original point. Next year is a fresh start with a top 10 pick and BI. The east is weak, if we stay healthy with the added talent from the draft + BI, improvement of young players we can sit in a late playoff spot.

Oh, we would 100% be 10 games better if not more if healthy. Like its honestly not even a debate.

IQ/Barnes/RJ/Jakob have still only played 9 times together this year and half those IQ was minute restricted. We lost 5 games by one possession or less in the first 18 games while half our rotation was hurt. Ingram hasn't played a minute. We have actively thrown out horrible lines in the past 10-15 games trying to lose.

We're probably going to finish this season with 29/30 wins. This team with average health is a 40-45 win team. With good health could be 45-50. You really think Detroit is 15 wins better than us?

Nah. Its just not realistic. 10 games would have to be with perfect health and supreme play which doesn’t line up for me when you look at the first 41 and the limitations of the group to start the year. Detroit is being led by an all star in Cade who made a huge jump and complimentary 3 point shooters. We are still at the bottom in that regard. Anyways this discussion doesnt matter. Next year with improve talent we will be better and thats all that matters.

.. it is 100% realistic and you don't need perfect health to win 10 games.

Barnes has missed 15
Barrett has missed 19
Poeltl has missed 19
Dick has missed 19
IQ has missed 54
Agbaji has missed 14
Brown missed 33/51 games
Olynyk missed 27/51 games
Ingram has been here for 22 games and played 0
Shead leads our team in games played at 67. He is the only one north of 60.

And this list is not even counting the games that players left early, or returned rusty and had to ramp back up.

Of this list, we have been almost constantly missing 3 to 4 at a time. There was literally one 10 game stretch when we were healthy. We went 8-2 including beating BOS and GSW. Very few teams can lose half a rotation and win games consistently.

Wanna know why DET is good? A big part of it is that 8 players have suited up 66+ times for them. They have been fairly healthy outside of losing Ivey. Knock out Cade for an extra 15 games, Harris for 20, Hardaway for 20, and then two bench guys (like Kelly + Brown) for 50% of the first half of the season and Detroit is sitting right next to us in the standings.

3 point shooting? Detroit has two guys shooting above league average from 3 in Beasley and Sasser (and Sasser is not even a full time rotation player). That really is not any different than us who have IQ, Agbaji, and Battle (and next season Ingram).

[WuTang_CMB]

Oh, we would 100% be 10 games better if not more if healthy. Like its honestly not even a debate.

IQ/Barnes/RJ/Jakob have still only played 9 times together this year and half those IQ was minute restricted. We lost 5 games by one possession or less in the first 18 games while half our rotation was hurt. Ingram hasn't played a minute. We have actively thrown out horrible lines in the past 10-15 games trying to lose.

We're probably going to finish this season with 29/30 wins. This team with average health is a 40-45 win team. With good health could be 45-50. You really think Detroit is 15 wins better than us?

Nah. Its just not realistic. 10 games would have to be with perfect health and supreme play which doesn’t line up for me when you look at the first 41 and the limitations of the group to start the year. Detroit is being led by an all star in Cade who made a huge jump and complimentary 3 point shooters. We are still at the bottom in that regard. Anyways this discussion doesnt matter. Next year with improve talent we will be better and thats all that matters.

.. it is 100% realistic and you don't need perfect health to win 10 games.

Barnes has missed 15
Barrett has missed 19
Poeltl has missed 19
Dick has missed 19
IQ has missed 54
Agbaji has missed 14
Brown missed 33/51 games
Olynyk missed 27/51 games
Ingram has been here for 22 games and played 0
Shead leads our team in games played at 67. He is the only one north of 60.

And this list is not even counting the games that players left early, or returned rusty and had to ramp back up.

Of this list, we have been almost constantly missing 3 to 4 at a time. There was literally one 10 game stretch when we were healthy. We went 8-2 including beating BOS and GSW. Very few teams can lose half a rotation and win games consistently.

Wanna know why DET is good? A big part of it is that 8 players have suited up 66+ times for them. They have been fairly healthy outside of losing Ivey. Knock out Cade for an extra 15 games, Harris for 20, Hardaway for 20, and then two bench guys (like Kelly + Brown) for 50% of the first half of the season and Detroit is sitting right next to us in the standings.

3 point shooting? Detroit has two guys shooting above league average from 3 in Beasley and Sasser (and Sasser is not even a full time rotation player). That really is not any different than us who have IQ, Agbaji, and Battle (and next season Ingram).

Totally disagree. Not realistic to me. You can list all the man games we lost but the first 41 were super difficult. Adding 5-6 or 7 games is more of where I am at with this team. Plus we have already been winning with the easier schedule as well. I think we would be right where Chicago is today.

[littlerock2277]

The score posted an article about us possibly finishing with the 7th pick. Not bad odds potentially we would could move up in the draft.


Year 5th worst 6th worst 7th worst
2019 No. 8 No. 9 No. 1
2020 No. 7 No. 8 No. 4
2021 No. 3 No. 7 No. 4
2022 No. 6 No. 7 No. 4
2023 No. 3 No. 6 No. 7
2024 No. 4 No. 8 No. 9
Avg. 5.2 7.5 4.8


https://thescore.com/nba/news/3250992

[billy_hoyle]

Nah. Its just not realistic. 10 games would have to be with perfect health and supreme play which doesn’t line up for me when you look at the first 41 and the limitations of the group to start the year. Detroit is being led by an all star in Cade who made a huge jump and complimentary 3 point shooters. We are still at the bottom in that regard. Anyways this discussion doesnt matter. Next year with improve talent we will be better and thats all that matters.

.. it is 100% realistic and you don't need perfect health to win 10 games.

Barnes has missed 15
Barrett has missed 19
Poeltl has missed 19
Dick has missed 19
IQ has missed 54
Agbaji has missed 14
Brown missed 33/51 games
Olynyk missed 27/51 games
Ingram has been here for 22 games and played 0
Shead leads our team in games played at 67. He is the only one north of 60.

And this list is not even counting the games that players left early, or returned rusty and had to ramp back up.

Of this list, we have been almost constantly missing 3 to 4 at a time. There was literally one 10 game stretch when we were healthy. We went 8-2 including beating BOS and GSW. Very few teams can lose half a rotation and win games consistently.

Wanna know why DET is good? A big part of it is that 8 players have suited up 66+ times for them. They have been fairly healthy outside of losing Ivey. Knock out Cade for an extra 15 games, Harris for 20, Hardaway for 20, and then two bench guys (like Kelly + Brown) for 50% of the first half of the season and Detroit is sitting right next to us in the standings.

3 point shooting? Detroit has two guys shooting above league average from 3 in Beasley and Sasser (and Sasser is not even a full time rotation player). That really is not any different than us who have IQ, Agbaji, and Battle (and next season Ingram).

Totally disagree. Not realistic to me. You can list all the man games we lost but the first 41 were super difficult. Adding 5-6 or 7 games is more of where I am at with this team. Plus we have already been winning with the easier schedule as well. I think we would be right where Chicago is today.

I think the proof will be in the pudding of next year's record.

If we are a mere 0.500 team, I think you have a point.

However, if we win close to 50 games next year, I think that would provide sufficient evidence that we were considerably better than our record this year. Teams almost never jump that much (without wholesale roster changes).

[JShuttlesworth]

A loss tonight would make me feel better

vs CHA
@ PHI
@ CHI - L
vs POR
vs DET - L

Only two losses I see in our next 5 are against Chicago and Detroit. I think Portland will tank against us to get us back for our tanking ways last time.

[Scase]

You're so weird man.

Always hoping for dire situations and unfavorable outcomes to play out just so you can have your little "SEE I WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG!" moment.

From wishing injuries on our guys to wanting a division rival to succeed more than us, you continue to impress me with how low you can stoop.

Do better.

How is this a dire situation or an unfavourable outcome? We aren't winning the 1st OA pick, it's simply put, not a realistic outcome. I have never wished injuries on our guys, so you can stuff that and stop making **** up. There is no "see I was right" moment that could come from another team winning the pick, if you're going to criticise my posts, grow and pair and attack them without making up multiple little storylines in your head. Also who cares if it's a division rival, or anyone else. Someone is getting the pick, and it isn't us.

You sure about that man? Interested to see how you're gonna spin this one...

I wasn't wishing injuries on him, I was stating we would finish there BECAUSE of him being injured, you know, cause that's what he's done for every year for the last 8 years.

Would that be the worst possible situation for Flagg?

Expectations would be on him immediately to turn the Sixers around.

And really, the problem now for the Sixers is long-term injuries and age. Is it even possible for Embiid & PG to return to form?

I don't see how, Grimes has been balling out, Maxey is legit, and adding Flagg to that would be a fantastic base. They developed Embiid into an MVP, being on a team that can manage that is a good place for any player.

Really the only ankle around their waist is the PG contract, regardless of Embiid and how much people want to clown on him, you'd be very wrong if you think they couldn't move him for a serious package. If they won the 1st pick they could rebuild in the blink of an eye.

I think him going to places like CHA/WAS/ATL being way worse places for him to land, just languish in **** for 5+ years until he demands to be moved. Sounds way worse IMO.

If the Sixers keep their pick this year, they may quickly turn around their fortunes. They got Maxey who is a legit offensive star. They got McCain who looks quite promising. They still got Embid who even if he comes back at 70% of what he was, can net them a bunch of assets. It’s not all doom and gloom for them if they can get a top five pick this year.

Exactly, but peoples innate hate for the sixers refuse to let them believe it, and it's just me "rooting on a division rival".

You sure about that man? Interested to see how you're gonna spin this one...

Scase was just being philosophical

"Sometimes it needs to all burn and crash before a new beginning can spring with vigor"

You can't take it literally

Was he also being philosophical when he guaranteed we were finishing ahead of the Bulls?

How much of what he posts should we not take literally? 100%? Seems like 100%

No, that would be me not predicting that Giddey would play out of his mind and have statistical performances that have broken NBA history, so sue me. I predicted us falling to 8th, when a lot of people were claiming we had a bottom 5 finish locked in. Can't be right all the time.

:

Scase was just being philosophical

"Sometimes it needs to all burn and crash before a new beginning can spring with vigor"

You can't take it literally

Was he also being philosophical when he guaranteed we were finishing ahead of the Bulls?

How much of what he posts should we not take literally? 100%? Seems like 100%

I'm sure it's all semantics.

Hey "mod" I believe we call this baiting. But I'm sure you'll just ban me for pointing this out.

[Duffman100]

How is this a dire situation or an unfavourable outcome? We aren't winning the 1st OA pick, it's simply put, not a realistic outcome. I have never wished injuries on our guys, so you can stuff that and stop making **** up. There is no "see I was right" moment that could come from another team winning the pick, if you're going to criticise my posts, grow and pair and attack them without making up multiple little storylines in your head. Also who cares if it's a division rival, or anyone else. Someone is getting the pick, and it isn't us.

You sure about that man? Interested to see how you're gonna spin this one...

I wasn't wishing injuries on him, I was stating we would finish there BECAUSE of him being injured, you know, cause that's what he's done for every year for the last 8 years.

I don't see how, Grimes has been balling out, Maxey is legit, and adding Flagg to that would be a fantastic base. They developed Embiid into an MVP, being on a team that can manage that is a good place for any player.

Really the only ankle around their waist is the PG contract, regardless of Embiid and how much people want to clown on him, you'd be very wrong if you think they couldn't move him for a serious package. If they won the 1st pick they could rebuild in the blink of an eye.

I think him going to places like CHA/WAS/ATL being way worse places for him to land, just languish in **** for 5+ years until he demands to be moved. Sounds way worse IMO.

If the Sixers keep their pick this year, they may quickly turn around their fortunes. They got Maxey who is a legit offensive star. They got McCain who looks quite promising. They still got Embid who even if he comes back at 70% of what he was, can net them a bunch of assets. It’s not all doom and gloom for them if they can get a top five pick this year.

Exactly, but peoples innate hate for the sixers refuse to let them believe it, and it's just me "rooting on a division rival".

Scase was just being philosophical

"Sometimes it needs to all burn and crash before a new beginning can spring with vigor"

You can't take it literally

Was he also being philosophical when he guaranteed we were finishing ahead of the Bulls?

How much of what he posts should we not take literally? 100%? Seems like 100%

No, that would be me not predicting that Giddey would play out of his mind and have statistical performances that have broken NBA history, so sue me. I predicted us falling to 8th, when a lot of people were claiming we had a bottom 5 finish locked in. Can't be right all the time.

:

Was he also being philosophical when he guaranteed we were finishing ahead of the Bulls?

How much of what he posts should we not take literally? 100%? Seems like 100%

I'm sure it's all semantics.

Hey "mod" I believe we call this baiting. But I'm sure you'll just ban me for pointing this out.

By your explanation above, it was in fact semantics again. So not baiting, just accurate to what you were going to say.

[S.W.A.N]

Again, not 10 which is what you said. We would be with Miami and Chicago right now not Detroit.

Seriously? How does 3-4 + 6-7 not =10?

And I didn't say we'd be with Detroit I said we'd be right below them. Which is where Atlanta is.

Even if you want to be more conservative and say 7 more wins from being healthy and not tanking that still puts us 33-41 and on pace to win 40+ games and 7th in the standings... Behind the bucks who have replaced the pistons as the worse of the actual playoff teams.

Either way it sets us up nicely to be a top 6 team in the East next year unless disaster hits again.

Read again. You said 6-7 games and weren't clear. But ya you are spinning. We would not be 10 games better if this team was healthy. We are still at the bottom for 3pt shooting in the league. Sure .. use 7. Thats where chicago currently is, hence my original point. Next year is a fresh start with a top 10 pick and BI. The east is weak, if we stay healthy with the added talent from the draft + BI, improvement of young players we can sit in a late playoff spot.

I ain't spinning. 10 games over the course of the season is not hard and I clearly mapped it out into 3-4 wins during first 41 and the rest later.

and i always said we'd be below Detroit, you are twisting facts faster than a trump lover

Warned: Baiting

[Tripod]

Oh, we would 100% be 10 games better if not more if healthy. Like its honestly not even a debate.

IQ/Barnes/RJ/Jakob have still only played 9 times together this year and half those IQ was minute restricted. We lost 5 games by one possession or less in the first 18 games while half our rotation was hurt. Ingram hasn't played a minute. We have actively thrown out horrible lines in the past 10-15 games trying to lose.

We're probably going to finish this season with 29/30 wins. This team with average health is a 40-45 win team. With good health could be 45-50. You really think Detroit is 15 wins better than us?

Nah. Its just not realistic. 10 games would have to be with perfect health and supreme play which doesn’t line up for me when you look at the first 41 and the limitations of the group to start the year. Detroit is being led by an all star in Cade who made a huge jump and complimentary 3 point shooters. We are still at the bottom in that regard. Anyways this discussion doesnt matter. Next year with improve talent we will be better and thats all that matters.

.. it is 100% realistic and you don't need perfect health to win 10 games.

Barnes has missed 15
Barrett has missed 19
Poeltl has missed 19
Dick has missed 19
IQ has missed 54
Agbaji has missed 14
Brown missed 33/51 games
Olynyk missed 27/51 games
Ingram has been here for 22 games and played 0
Shead leads our team in games played at 67. He is the only one north of 60.

And this list is not even counting the games that players left early, or returned rusty and had to ramp back up.

Of this list, we have been almost constantly missing 3 to 4 at a time. There was literally one 10 game stretch when we were healthy. We went 8-2 including beating BOS and GSW. Very few teams can lose half a rotation and win games consistently.

Wanna know why DET is good? A big part of it is that 8 players have suited up 66+ times for them. They have been fairly healthy outside of losing Ivey. Knock out Cade for an extra 15 games, Harris for 20, Hardaway for 20, and then two bench guys (like Kelly + Brown) for 50% of the first half of the season and Detroit is sitting right next to us in the standings.

3 point shooting? Detroit has two guys shooting above league average from 3 in Beasley and Sasser (and Sasser is not even a full time rotation player). That really is not any different than us who have IQ, Agbaji, and Battle (and next season Ingram).

Thank you for saving others the time to respond with this info. Just want to add...

Started the season without our PG, 2 rotation vets AND our 1ST rd prospect. And it was a month like this...and even then, it was only Walter coming back. Then we had Barnes injuries and playing thru them while still missing IQ, KO AND BB.

It's the COLLECTION of missing almost half your rotation at the same time for months on end.

And Christ, we had to stop playing Boucher to help us lose and that was with 3rd/4th stringers Castleton, ORob, Lawson, etc... playing minutes.