What if Giannis chooses and Toronto on short list - Does this change Conversation?

[Troubadour]

The aim should be to turn Scottie Barnes into Giannis Antetokounmpo.

This is the nine-man rotation if you trade Barnes, Dick, and Walter for Giannis.

Quickley / Shead
Barrett / Agbaji
Ingram / Battle
Antetokounmpo / Boucher
Poeltl

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[LBJKB24MJ23]

Poeltl is wildly underrated by this board. Additionally, he doesn’t need to be a shooter, Scottie does. That opens everything.

both need to be shooters if you want this team to be considered championship quality. otherwise Poeltl (and/or Barnes) are stop gap solutions.

I disagree. Most teams are playing two bigs with one that shoots and the other that doesn’t. Boston is the exception rather than the rule.

you can disagree but right now the Raptors are short of talent overall/skillset and efficiency. Raptors aren't a playoff/contender team with both being non-shooters. Doubt thats gonna change even if one of them turns into a "shooter" i.e. core isn't going to change and what you see today is what we have to work with.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

The aim should be to turn Scottie Barnes into Giannis Antetokounmpo.

This is the nine-man rotation if you trade Barnes, Dick, and Walter for Giannis.

Quickley / Shead
Barrett / Agbaji
Ingram / Battle
Antetokounmpo / Boucher
Poeltl

lots of ifs surrounding that team. Quickley, Ingram and Poeltl are kinda oft injured the last couple of years. very thin and questionable bench tbh.

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Translation: every player and pick is gone for Durant/JJJ whatever for that 2-3 year window until he walks in FA.

Important to remind everyone. RJ/Jak/IQ/BI are just salaries for various star trades that superstars want to play with. It's Dame trades from here on out.

Forget about your quaint little roster lineups. It's a blank canvas for them to paint on.

[TheRaptor!]

both need to be shooters if you want this team to be considered championship quality. otherwise Poeltl (and/or Barnes) are stop gap solutions.

I disagree. Most teams are playing two bigs with one that shoots and the other that doesn’t. Boston is the exception rather than the rule.

you can disagree but right now the Raptors are short of talent overall/skillset and efficiency. Raptors aren't a playoff/contender team with both being non-shooters. Doubt thats gonna change even if one of them turns into a "shooter" i.e. core isn't going to change and what you see today is what we have to work with.

Det's main playoff contributors included:

Malik Beasly, Tobias Harris, Tim Hardaway Jr, Dennis Scroder

We can grab some vet journeymen no problem, just get Giannis and figure out the rest later

Realistcally, a championship team only needs to play 5 starters and 2 bench players.

Giannis and Ingram is 2/7. The Nemhard, Nesmiths and the Mathurins aren't necessarily levels above our current role players. The fit is arguable, but the talent level is similar. We can make adjustments later

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[Merit]

both need to be shooters if you want this team to be considered championship quality. otherwise Poeltl (and/or Barnes) are stop gap solutions.

I disagree. Most teams are playing two bigs with one that shoots and the other that doesn’t. Boston is the exception rather than the rule.

you can disagree but right now the Raptors are short of talent overall/skillset and efficiency. Raptors aren't a playoff/contender team with both being non-shooters. Doubt thats gonna change even if one of them turns into a "shooter" i.e. core isn't going to change and what you see today is what we have to work with.

A starting lineup of IQ/RJ/BI/Scottie/Jak should have enough spacing to make things work. If we replace RJ with Ochai, even more so.

[traps#10]

The Bucks would definitely be asking for Scottie, the 9th pick at least. Probably with Dick and even Poeltl.

Even though I was hoping the Raptors would build around Scottie, I would make this trade 10/10 times. I’m a big Scottie supporter but it’s evident that he has some growing up to do and isn’t consistent in terms of scoring, putting a team on his shoulders. Giannis is a proven winner and definitely can carry a team.

[Dino-Might]

The aim should be to turn Scottie Barnes into Giannis Antetokounmpo.

This is the nine-man rotation if you trade Barnes, Dick, and Walter for Giannis.

Quickley / Shead
Barrett / Agbaji
Ingram / Battle
Antetokounmpo / Boucher
Poeltl

This is not the "AIM". But it will be the cost, if a deal is possible.

I'm sure Masai will exhaust all other possible combinations and the Bucks will say Barnes or no deal.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

I disagree. Most teams are playing two bigs with one that shoots and the other that doesn’t. Boston is the exception rather than the rule.

you can disagree but right now the Raptors are short of talent overall/skillset and efficiency. Raptors aren't a playoff/contender team with both being non-shooters. Doubt thats gonna change even if one of them turns into a "shooter" i.e. core isn't going to change and what you see today is what we have to work with.

A starting lineup of IQ/RJ/BI/Scottie/Jak should have enough spacing to make things work. If we replace RJ with Ochai, even more so.

i will reserve judgement until I actually see them play. or how many every games they play together.

[nivisi9]

The aim should be to turn Scottie Barnes into Giannis Antetokounmpo.

This is the nine-man rotation if you trade Barnes, Dick, and Walter for Giannis.

Quickley / Shead
Barrett / Agbaji
Ingram / Battle
Antetokounmpo / Boucher
Poeltl

This is not the "AIM". But it will be the cost, if a deal is possible.

I'm sure Masai will exhaust all other possible combinations and the Bucks will say Barnes or no deal.

If its Barnes then hopefully only one of Dick or Walter

id also try and include a combination of future picks and try to keep 9#

a package around..

Barnes, Dick, multiple future 1st

Is any East team actually going to outbid that for a 31 yr old star?

the only other team is Cleveland and im not convinced they would trade Mobley or that Giannis wants to go to Cleveland.

If you find a way to keep 9# and draft a 2 way wing with elite shooting like Cedric Coward now we're really talking.

Team would be stacked now Giannis/Quickley/RJ/Poeltl/Ingram

have some young studs with some ceiling for the future:

Obaji, shead, Coward, one of Mogbo/Dick?, Chomche

SIGN ME UP

Is any team really beating..

- a young star who's a facilitating, 2-way, 6'8 wing, with further star development (Barnes)

- a top 10 pick, 6'8 pedigree as elite shooter (most valuable trait in league), has star potential and only 22 (Dick)

- Additional future 1st round picks on top of this.

I don't see any team beating this.

No one's going to offer a franchise corner stone like Barnes plus all those other additional assets.

Or can even afford to and still have elite team remaining.

The Raptors can.

[nivisi9]

The aim should be to turn Scottie Barnes into Giannis Antetokounmpo.

This is the nine-man rotation if you trade Barnes, Dick, and Walter for Giannis.

Quickley / Shead
Barrett / Agbaji
Ingram / Battle
Antetokounmpo / Boucher
Poeltl

This is not the "AIM". But it will be the cost, if a deal is possible.

I'm sure Masai will exhaust all other possible combinations and the Bucks will say Barnes or no deal.

If its Barnes then hopefully only one of Dick or Walter

id also try and include a combination of future picks and try to keep 9# (Draft Coward replace Barnes archetype + elite shooting).

a package around..

Barnes, Dick, multiple future 1st

Is any East team actually going to outbid that for a 31 yr old star?

the only other team is Cleveland and im not convinced they would trade Mobley or that Giannis wants to go to Cleveland.

If you find a way to keep 9# and draft a 2 way wing with elite shooting like Cedric Coward now we're really talking.

Team would be stacked now Giannis/Quickley/RJ/Poeltl/Ingram

have some young studs with some ceiling for the future:

Obaji, shead, Coward, one of Mogbo/Dick?, Chomche

SIGN ME UP

Is any team really beating..

- a young star who's a facilitating, 2-way, 6'8 wing, with further star development (Barnes). Basically most valuable archetype in the league and still 23 yrs old.

- a top 10 pick, 6'8 pedigree as elite shooter (most valuable trait in league), has star potential and only 22 (Dick)

- Additional future 1st round picks on top of this.

I don't see any team beating this.

No one's going to offer a franchise corner stone like Barnes plus all those other additional assets.

Or can even afford to and still have elite team remaining.

The Raptors can.

Is any team really beating..

- a young star who's a facilitating, 2-way, 6'8 wing, with further star development (Barnes)

- a top 10 pick, 6'8 pedigree as elite shooter (most valuable trait in league), has star potential and only 22 (Dick)

- Additional future 1st round picks on top of this.

I don't see any team beating this.

No one's going to offer a franchise corner stone like Barnes plus all those other additional assets.

Or can even afford to and still have elite team remaining.

The Raptors can.

Is any team really beating..

- a young star who's a facilitating, 2-way, 6'8 wing, with further star development (Barnes).
Basically most valuable archetype in the league and still 23 yrs old.

- a top 10 pick, 6'8 pedigree as elite shooter (most valuable trait in league), has star potential and only 22 (Dick)

- Additional future 1st round picks on top of this.

I don't see any team beating this.

No one's going to offer a franchise corner stone like Barnes plus all those other additional assets.

Or can even afford to and still have elite team remaining. Or even wants to for a 31 yr old Giannis (very limited list if any)

Also we try and include a combination of future picks and keep 9# for one last top prospect with this new core. (Draft Coward replace Barnes archetype + elite shooting).

I would actually even be willing to include Shead as well, he has atleast some value after promising rookie season as future PG.

FINAL DEAL:
-Barnes
-Dick
-Shead
- 2026 1st
- 2028 1st
- 2030 1st

STARTERS
-Poeltl
-Giannis
- Ingram
- RJ
- IQ

BENCH:
C- 2025 2nd round pick/ Boucher/signing etc./Chomche
PF - Mogbo
SF - Coward (9th overall) /Battle
SG- Obaji
PG- Walter

Damn thats a deep and lethal young contender, teams will struggle to score on that lockdown D bench unit.

Team would be stacked now Giannis/Quickley/RJ/Poeltl/Ingram

have some combination of young studs remaining with some ceiling for the future:

Obaji, shead, Coward, one of Mogbo/Walter, Chomche

THATS THE DEAL

FAIR ON BOTH ENDS, BUCKS GET LEGIT LOADED PACKAGE

KEEPS US ELITE NOW, WITH A TON OF DEPTH, AND PROSPECTS FOR THE FUTURE.

SOMEONE SEND THIS TO MASAI

[Merit]

you can disagree but right now the Raptors are short of talent overall/skillset and efficiency. Raptors aren't a playoff/contender team with both being non-shooters. Doubt thats gonna change even if one of them turns into a "shooter" i.e. core isn't going to change and what you see today is what we have to work with.

A starting lineup of IQ/RJ/BI/Scottie/Jak should have enough spacing to make things work. If we replace RJ with Ochai, even more so.

i will reserve judgement until I actually see them play. or how many every games they play together.

Makes sense and we will have a better idea then.

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[ItsDanger]

They just played you guys again. Stop falling for this stuff. Although I think Giannis and Bucks are making a mistake. Revisit in one year.

[Kingsway_fan]

They just played you guys again. Stop falling for this stuff. Although I think Giannis and Bucks are making a mistake. Revisit in one year.

Agreed. The thread should be locked.

[HiJiNX]

They just played you guys again. Stop falling for this stuff. Although I think Giannis and Bucks are making a mistake. Revisit in one year.

Agreed. The thread should be locked.

We’ll lock the thread when we feel like it!!

[Tor_Raps]

They just played you guys again. Stop falling for this stuff. Although I think Giannis and Bucks are making a mistake. Revisit in one year.

Agreed. The thread should be locked.

We’ll lock the thread when we feel like it!!

While we're telling you guys what to do... Can you unsticky the injuries and G League threads for the offseason?

It can be bumped back up when it's relevant during the season. It creates a lot of unnecessary clutter at the top of the board.

[Scase]

They just played you guys again. Stop falling for this stuff. Although I think Giannis and Bucks are making a mistake. Revisit in one year.

Agreed. The thread should be locked.

We’ll lock the thread when we feel like it!!

You've gone mad with power!