[Charania] Desmond Bane To Orlando For KCP, Cole Anthony, 4 Unprotected 1st Round Picks And 1 Pick Swap

[djsunyc]

orl should hire thibs now lol

[Raps in 4]

You see.. times like this keep reminding me how garbage of a trade the siakam one was.

I will lowkey want to cry if Pacers win the chip and siakam gets finals mvp

Siakam was on a nexpiring deal and Bane is locked up until 2029. You can not even compare the two.

Of course, but why did we trade an asset when he was expiring?

[Pointgod]

Great trade. Bane is on a 4 year contract. Those picks are gonna be late 20s except the Sun's one. The chance of drafting someone as good as Bane is extremely slim. And the timelines align, Franz and Paulo are here now.

well 2025 is 16 and as you said 2026 is more than likely a lotto pick. that's already 2 out of 4 that are not in the 20's

I’m not sure that the Suns simply don’t replace the Grizzlies in the play-in considering that they just traded their third best player. Especially if rumours of the Suns getting Gobert back in a trade are true. I don’t think they’ll just salary dump Durant for picks considering he’s expiring and they can’t tank. Doesn’t make a lot of sense, then again Ishbia doesn’t make sense

[Merit]

I think this signals the Grizzlies might be rebuilding? Or they saw the overpay and decided they could use the picks in the future for a superstar to pair with Ja maybe

They lock up JJJr and keep going.

And they have young wings who can step in as well.

[Pointgod]

Bane is 10 times better then Dick. Dick kinda blows. Horrible defender, can't dribble or hit above the break 3s. The Raptors should try to trade him at the draft if they can when he still has value.

Dick is still much better than Jett Howard though. Magic kind of misfired with two shots in that draft. Imagine if this team had one of Lively, Bilal Coulibaly, Cason Wallace or Dick along with this move, they would be that much more dangerous in the long term.

I guess but Howard looks like a huge bust. It still does not change that Dick is not any good either really. They need to flip him ASAP.

I’m not opposed to moving Gradey but he needs to just focus on improving his efficiency and turn into a 3 point spacing threat. I like that he’s developed more of his on ball ability but is defence is still abysmal. He’ll really need to stand out because competition at the 2 and 3 will be stiff. Not enough minutes for everyone

[dkb964]

Dick is still much better than Jett Howard though. Magic kind of misfired with two shots in that draft. Imagine if this team had one of Lively, Bilal Coulibaly, Cason Wallace or Dick along with this move, they would be that much more dangerous in the long term.

I guess but Howard looks like a huge bust. It still does not change that Dick is not any good either really. They need to flip him ASAP.

I’m not opposed to moving Gradey but he needs to just focus on improving his efficiency and turn into a 3 point spacing threat. I like that he’s developed more of his on ball ability but is defence is still abysmal. He’ll really need to stand out because competition at the 2 and 3 will be stiff. Not enough minutes for everyone

He made the rising stars game for what that is worth. The draft seems like a good time to flip him. If he is the same player next year his minutes will go down and his trade value will all be but gone.

[WuTang_OG]

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[Dalek]

I get the trade for Orlando because Bane is better than KCP who sucked last year and Bane is under control for several years.

For Grizzlies it is a non-competitive move. If I was Toronto I would be throwing the bag at JJJ. Way more attractive than KD or Giannis. Much more of a realistic target and won't cost the sun and moon.

[ForeverTFC]

You see.. times like this keep reminding me how garbage of a trade the siakam one was.

I will lowkey want to cry if Pacers win the chip and siakam gets finals mvp

Siakam was on a nexpiring deal and Bane is locked up until 2029. You can not even compare the two.

Of course, but why did we trade an asset when he was expiring?

There were 3 realistic windows in moving off of Siakam: 2023 trade deadline, 2023 off-season, and 2024 trade deadline. They traded him at the deadline. They tried to move him in 2023 off-season but were unable to given Siakam was not agreeing to re-sign with the team. Could they have gotten more during the 2024 deadline? Based on credible reports, maybe though the deal would have been similar in caliber. There is marginal difference between 1.5 years and 0.5 years left on his contract: teams will need to be comfortable giving him the max and need an assurance that he would re-sign.

Think of it this way: If the Bane acquisition doesn't work, Orlando can turn around and trade him. If the Siakam acquisition doesn't work, that team has no real viable path to extract any residual value from the move. And this calculus doesn't change if he has 1.5 years left on his contract. Comparing a guy locked in for 4 years at <25% of the cap to a guy that you need to lock in for 4 years at 30% of the cap makes very little sense to me. The Siakam trade was bad, not because we didn't get enough but because we should have extended him.

[SFour]

Knicks and Magic ruining the trade market, giving 4-5 FRPs for a role player....this amount of picks should only be used to trade for a superstar player.

[pingpongrac]

Quite the overpay, but I don't necessarily think it's a bad trade for Orlando assuming they make another move to improve their C position. Bane is a big upgrade over KCP, but WCJ is just not a contending starting C. This move on its own doesn't elevate the Magic to the top of the East.

[dkb964]

I get the trade for Orlando because Bane is better than KCP who sucked last year and Bane is under control for several years.

For Grizzlies it is a non-competitive move. If I was Toronto I would be throwing the bag at JJJ. Way more attractive than KD or Giannis. Much more of a realistic target and won't cost the sun and moon.

KCP was terrible last year but in theory he could replace Bane in the starting lineup. Anthony is also one of the best 6th men in the league. Gives them depth. It is not like they did not get any players back. I would not bet on KCP turning it around though.

[Merit]

Market is destroyed

We’re not getting any “big fish”.

LOL. One consensus overpay does not a market make.

[Raps in 4]

Quite the overpay, but I don't necessarily think it's a bad trade for Orlando assuming they make another move to improve their C position. Bane is a big upgrade over KCP, but WCJ is just not a contending starting C. This move on its own doesn't elevate the Magic to the top of the East.

Yak for their remaining picks.

[TorontoBarneys]

Honestly Bane is not worth this package...

Kinda sucks for us in terms of wheeling and dealing. It only takes 1 or 2 teams to ruin an offseason for everyone else.

[SFour]

regardless of the overpay..

this decision to ditch the rebuild +lottery after 1 season (we didn't have our pick last yr and Masai declared rebuild at beginning of season) is looking even worse now..

Indy, NY, Cle, Orl

are all decisively better then us and not old.

Mil may still be, and Boston will be after a yr break.

our core isnt even super young..

-Quickley is 26 tomorrow
-RJ 25
-Scottie 24 before season starts

Masai lack of patience will be the deciding factor on this core, he set these guys up to fail.

We needed 1 or 2 more legit top prospects before switching gears.

This just hammer our fate into hardcore Treadmill ceiling.

Are we convinced Masai can even build a team?

Besides the Kawhi trade the majority of his moves are treadmill quality.

Indy, NY, Cle, Orl all made their "big" all-in trades.....Raptors still have more trades to make, likely another big one.

KD was one their current targets but he doesn't want to come here....they'll move onto another big name player but they'll have to want to play in Toronto like Ingram did.

[Pointgod]

Knicks and Magic ruining the trade market, giving 4-5 FRPs for a role player....this amount of picks should only be used to trade for a superstar player.

Neither Knicks or Orlando gave up any actual impact players in their trades. That’s why they evened it out with so many picks. This package isn’t getting you a superstar player, the picks on top of player value is what it would take to get a superstar. The price is high for good reason. Think about it like this:

- it would take one pick just to get off of KCP. Another rumoured trade of Anfernee Simons to Orlando would probably take another pick or two depending on the pick value, then you’d have to resign him. So really the difference here between another trade is the extra two picks. I think what hurts the most is giving up that Phoenix pick but again, it could also be closer to bottom of lottery depending on what Phoenix ends up doing.

Orlando still has Anthony Black, Jett Howard (bust), their pick from Denver in this draft, Tristan Da Silva and a bunch of vet role players that can either be moved or add other depth on top of core of Suggs, Banchero, Wagner and Banchero that’s locked in until 2030. I think this move is floor raiser with a slight ceiling raiser. Still risky move but downside isn’t as bad as what’s being said

[mtcan]

Knicks and Magic ruining the trade market, giving 4-5 FRPs for a role player....this amount of picks should only be used to trade for a superstar player.

Absolutely mind-boggling the way picks are just thrown away like it's nothing.

Honestly...the number of picks given up for Bane makes me appreciate the BI trade that much more.

Consider that Bane is only 1 year younger than BI and I'd say that neither has a had a history of being extremely durable over their careers...giving up 1 first round pick for BI instead of 4 unprotected first round picks plus a pick swap. At least BI's been an all-star once in his career. Again...Bane at 26 and BI at 27...and they are both very good players but the number of picks given up to acquire Bane...whoo man.

[Scase]

A lot of people talking about how bad the Siakam trade is compared to this, and while I agree that it definitely makes it worse, the real star of this?

How much worse that Luka trade looks knowing that THIS is what Bane pulled from ORL. Insanity.

I disagree it was much worse. We still got 3 picks vs. 4 picks and a swap. Siakam needed to be extended, Bane is licked on a good contract, better than Siakam expiring.

There is no way that the Siakam trade was worse than the Luka one man, come on lol

[djsunyc]

siakam was expiring and threatened not to extend. bane is on a 4 year deal. level of risk for trading team was much higher for pascal...hence why atlanta backed out. also partly the reason ingram cost was much cheaper.