Collin Murray-Boyles Thread

[Jerry Lucas]

What I'm saying is we don't know who in the room is pushing for whom.

Maybe Bobby was more Malauch and Masai was more CMB. Or the other way around.

There are a lot of voices in the room and lot of factors that go into the final selection.

We don't, but based on what Bobby said they look for in a prospect this year and what Dan Tolzman has said in the past and even with what Masai has drafted while Raptors GM/President it's quite likely to me they all liked him and he very well could have been in all their top 5s and been #1 on all their boards when we picked at 9.

Ha well obviously! We drafted him

Hilarious thing for you to say to Yallbecrazy of all posters IIRC, was the very first poster on the Raps board who was on the CMB train all the way back in the 2024 draft cycle.

[Duffman100]

We don't, but based on what Bobby said they look for in a prospect this year and what Dan Tolzman has said in the past and even with what Masai has drafted while Raptors GM/President it's quite likely to me they all liked him and he very well could have been in all their top 5s and been #1 on all their boards when we picked at 9.

Ha well obviously! We drafted him

Hilarious thing for you to say to Yallbecrazy of all posters IIRC, was the very first poster on the Raps board who was on the CMB train all the way back in the 2024 draft cycle.

So was I. lol.

You guys are arguing a completely different point than the one I was making.

[Jerry Lucas]

Ha well obviously! We drafted him

Hilarious thing for you to say to Yallbecrazy of all posters IIRC, was the very first poster on the Raps board who was on the CMB train all the way back in the 2024 draft cycle.

So was I. lol.

You guys are arguing a completely different point than the one I was making.

Posters like me and Yallbecrazy weren't just CMB fans personally. We also identified him as the type of prospect the Raptors usually go for (all the way back in 2024 before he decided to go back for his sophomore season and our pick conditions situation was settled).

By CMB train I more so meant "CMB to the Raptors train." More specifically, not a "We WANT CMB to go to the Raptors train", a "We think the Raptors WOULD take CMB" train.

[Potential]

I never looked at his highlights before the draft because all I knew was he's a skinny point guard who can't shoot and there's no way we're interested. I have no idea why I even thought he was a PG. Someone gave me the wrong info

[YogurtProducer]

That was my concern last season when Quickley was coming back from injury. Davion & Jamal had established this lockdown style of defense that was really gritty & they were starting to have some success with it. It was starting to become the teams identity. Once IQ came back, the team didn't look the same.

When was this time exactly?

IQ returned from injury Jan 1st after we had just lost 11 straight games with a 120.7DRTG

Then granted, we did go 7-1 when he got hurt between Jan 13-29th, but that was mostly due to the fact most of our rotation available for the first time all season (except IQ), and then by the time IQ returned again we had traded away Davion, Brown, and Olynyk, Poeltl got hurt, etc. IQ did play a few games before the deadline, but he was only playing 17-20mpg anyways.

IQ is definitely a good defender at the PG position. I wouldn't worry to much about him on that end.

[OhCanada]

I never looked at his highlights before the draft because all I knew was he's a skinny point guard who can't shoot and there's no way we're interested. I have no idea why I even thought he was a PG. Someone gave me the wrong info

Yeah I dont really trust anyones opinion if I know they didnt watch the games. As somebody who watches all the college ball I can its impossible to watch ALL the games too thats why all these draft analysts are full of ****. You can't just watch highlights and assume you get the picture you gotta watch the games. You gotta watch possession by possession the impact a player has on the game and the presence.

[HangTime]

I have no worries with CMB.

If 6th man award was based on overall effectiveness, not just scoring, he'd be in the running this coming year.

[LoveMyRaps]

CMB was an absolute stinker today. Not his day. Arguably our worst player.

Oh well. Growing pains. Bring on the regular season!

[TimeForChange]

needs to work on his conditioning and lose a little weight.

looked a little slow out there.

[TimeForChange]

Hilarious thing for you to say to Yallbecrazy of all posters IIRC, was the very first poster on the Raps board who was on the CMB train all the way back in the 2024 draft cycle.

So was I. lol.

You guys are arguing a completely different point than the one I was making.

Posters like me and Yallbecrazy weren't just CMB fans personally. We also identified him as the type of prospect the Raptors usually go for (all the way back in 2024 before he decided to go back for his sophomore season and our pick conditions situation was settled).

By CMB train I more so meant "CMB to the Raptors train." More specifically, not a "We WANT CMB to go to the Raptors train", a "We think the Raptors WOULD take CMB" train.

you and Yallbecrazy were definitely the earliest on the CMB is an elite prospect train, and rightfully so.

everyone now jumping on the bandwagon

[OhCanada]

I have no worries with CMB.

If 6th man award was based on overall effectiveness, not just scoring, he'd be in the running this coming year.

Probably not. He'll be good but theres gonna be some killers in that 6th man role.

[Appostis]

needs to work on his conditioning and lose a little weight.

looked a little slow out there.

He's a about 2 weeks out from that injury that held him back for 6 weeks.

Wouldn't worry about it.

[Brinbe]

Could never get into the game due to foul trouble but that's a good learning experience because he's gonna face the same situation many times during his rookie year. Just gotta learn and adjust till you get the benefit of the doubt and respect from the refs to be able to defend with physicality, which may take a while.

[ForeverTFC]

My biggest worry is that, like Barnes, he might get "lost" if you don't focus on him on offense...

[OhCanada]

needs to work on his conditioning and lose a little weight.

looked a little slow out there.

He's a about 2 weeks out from that injury that held him back for 6 weeks.

Wouldn't worry about it.

I mean its not about worrying. Theres also just being realistic and constructive criticism and we can only go off the film we have. He seems to still be playing at the college speed. His shot release, passes handle a step slower than the speed he processes the game. His conditioning needs to improve and his actions need to be a bit quicker. This will likely come with more reps and experience and mopre time under an NBA strength and conditioning routine.

[Potential]

I never looked at his highlights before the draft because all I knew was he's a skinny point guard who can't shoot and there's no way we're interested. I have no idea why I even thought he was a PG. Someone gave me the wrong info

Yeah I dont really trust anyones opinion if I know they didnt watch the games. As somebody who watches all the college ball I can its impossible to watch ALL the games too thats why all these draft analysts are full of ****. You can't just watch highlights and assume you get the picture you gotta watch the games. You gotta watch possession by possession the impact a player has on the game and the presence.

100%

[HangTime]

My biggest worry is that, like Barnes, he might get "lost" if you don't focus on him on offense...

He's always relocating, the difference is, with the vets this year theres more spreading the ball. I think he'll have an easier time. Get what you can on offence, but there's better flow.

When Scottie joined, it was get what you can, but in a different way.

[WiggOuts]

Imo hes not cut from the same cloth as a Kawhi/OG/Artest. Those guys, while strong as hell are more perimeter based defenders who excell on ball with great foot speed. Hes of that Draymond/Vernon Maxwell/Chuck Hayes mould who do it with strength/IQ/positioning. He can obviously still guard the perimeter to which is a huge bonus. I wouldn't put him on pgs, im sure he could hold his own in a pinch but he'd get blown by but on the flip side I think he would surprise you against some of the strongest bigs

There isn't much difference between him and OG athletically. He could be 3+D pretty easily and abuse mismatches on the boards and inside. He will be OG+ for us in his prime. Him and Barnes are interchangeable 3/4s that can play the 5 in spurts.

I disagree, their physical profiles are very similar but athletically theres some big differences. OG has insane footspeed/lateral quickness that CMB just doesn't have, its what makes OG capable of guarding PGs very effectively. Im not sure what the actual numbers are but I'm pretty sure OG has him on verts aswell. On the flip side, CMB definitely has bigger stronger hands that allow him to be a way better rebounder, he just has more willingness to play big than OG ever showed. I'm not sure OG ever grabbed double digit rebs more than a handful of times in his career.

Theres one major thing I like that CMB has over OG and thats that toughness, that dawg. This can't be understated. Its the life-force of an NBA player that can make him great rather than just good. Love OG but he is clearly too much of a nice guy and clearly doesn't have that gritty edge. 2 guys that have similar physical profiles in Tony Allen and Ochai. One guy has that maximum dawg and they other will help carry your moms groceries to the car

[OAKLEY_2]

CMB was an absolute stinker today. Not his day. Arguably our worst player.

Oh well. Growing pains. Bring on the regular season!

Summer league. This was an exhibition and showcase. Nothing more.

[Psubs]

Imo hes not cut from the same cloth as a Kawhi/OG/Artest. Those guys, while strong as hell are more perimeter based defenders who excell on ball with great foot speed. Hes of that Draymond/Vernon Maxwell/Chuck Hayes mould who do it with strength/IQ/positioning. He can obviously still guard the perimeter to which is a huge bonus. I wouldn't put him on pgs, im sure he could hold his own in a pinch but he'd get blown by but on the flip side I think he would surprise you against some of the strongest bigs

There isn't much difference between him and OG athletically. He could be 3+D pretty easily and abuse mismatches on the boards and inside. He will be OG+ for us in his prime. Him and Barnes are interchangeable 3/4s that can play the 5 in spurts.

I disagree, their physical profiles are very similar but athletically theres some big differences. OG has insane footspeed/lateral quickness that CMB just doesn't have, its what makes OG capable of guarding PGs very effectively. Im not sure what the actual numbers are but I'm pretty sure OG has him on verts aswell. On the flip side, CMB definitely has bigger stronger hands that allow him to be a way better rebounder, he just has more willingness to play big than OG ever showed. I'm not sure OG ever grabbed double digit rebs more than a handful of times in his career.

Theres one major thing I like that CMB has over OG and thats that toughness, that dawg. This can't be understated. Its the life-force of an NBA player that can make him great rather than just good. Love OG but he is clearly too much of a nice guy and clearly doesn't have that gritty edge. 2 guys that have similar physical profiles in Tony Allen and Ochai. One guy has that maximum dawg and they other will help carry your moms groceries to the car

I think that since CMB is used to playing PF/C at SC that he's got a tad bit extra weight like closer to 250 lbs. As he gets NBA fit, he'll be more comparable to OG guarding 1-4, though maybe be 1-5 like Draymond.