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Re: JV at EuroBasket 2013 (vs Croatia 11:45 AM ET September  

Post#2261 » by Wincini » Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:19 am

I must say there are some very strange conclusions regarding Val's game today and sometimes it seems that some of the posters have very limited understanding of Bball, something like: score - good, dunk - better, travel - bad. And nothing else matters :)
Actually, there were few reasons why Val was...well...as he was.
Please take notice how Italy played on offence and how LTU was defending in the first half. ITA set numerous screens and LTU were switching then all without hesitation. The point of this for ITA was to create a mismatch when LTU big had to guard Bellineli, Gentile or Aradori. Even Lav had some problems with that and he is wayyyy better at defending smalls near the 3pt line. Meanwhile Val was absolutely horrendous in this matter, because he was just too slow. Secondly, due to his poor positioning while meeting the cutting guard he either fouled or ITA would make a tough shot over him. Some of those shots where miraculous for ITA, but even so, Val's position was always, or almost always not the correct one. ITA played unconventional basketball with 4 small guys on the 3pt line and when defending, LTU C's had to go far from the basket. Lav was better at rotating and returning to his man due to the fact that he's faster and have WAY more experience.
On offence the biggest problem for Val was not knowing the sets...I have no idea how is it possible, he was playing 9th game in the tournament, but he was lost sooooo many times that it seams someone just whipped his memory the night before. Second thing - screens. He was called for the foul once while trying to set a screen and didn't set a solid screen the whole game. He was just too anxious to cut to the basket and didn't hold his screen long enough. Because PnR are such a big part of LTU's game, bad screens where hurting the team and good offensive flow.
ITA is the smallest team in the tournament but they managed to get to the top8, it's clear that they know how to defend big man (not named Marc Gasol), so it was very hard to make a good entry pass to the post. And when big's got the ball down low, there was always a crowd of 6 Italians down there.
During the run in the 4th, LTU changed defensive tactics and guards where not changing with bigs, instead big would just imitate a step out and would stay with his man, while the guard would catch up with his man, because ITA player setting screen was not cutting to the basket and small was not attacking hard out of the screen. This confusion lasted for 2-3 minutes but it was enough to go on 15-0 run during first 5 mins of the 4th Q.
Because ITA was so centered in the post when defending, LTU guards had great games, Kalnietis and Seibutis with 15, Pocius with 11. ITA coach did a great job on Kleiza. They had his man standing very very close to him, making Linas to take a dribble, and we all know how that usually ends.
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Re: JV at EuroBasket 2013 (vs Croatia 11:45 AM ET September  

Post#2262 » by VanGuard » Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:18 am

Meanwhile 18 years ago
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Re: JV at EuroBasket 2013 (vs Croatia 11:45 AM ET September 

Post#2263 » by BlackFalconGSW » Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:18 am

T-D0G wrote:I'm just glad this crappy tournament is nearly over.

Beat me to it.

I just hope that France somehow beats Spain and will play vs Lithuania in finals.
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Re: JV at EuroBasket 2013 (vs Croatia 11:45 AM ET September 

Post#2264 » by Laure » Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:28 am

It's a lame tournament when you have no one to cheer for. Imagine Canada in the WC's and you'll understand.
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Re: JV at EuroBasket 2013 (vs Croatia 11:45 AM ET September  

Post#2265 » by DatHomieYouHaTe » Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:13 pm

Laure wrote:It's a lame tournament when you have no one to cheer for. Imagine Canada in the WC's and you'll understand.


I could care less seeing we'll never beat the states. I hope Jonas starts taking after the big z and stops playing for his national team. they better lose today so we can get Jonas back to Toronto. He could of been working on his game instead of this trash for a month plus.

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Re: JV at EuroBasket 2013 (vs Croatia 11:45 AM ET September 

Post#2266 » by Laure » Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:34 pm

DatHomieYouHaTe wrote:
Laure wrote:It's a lame tournament when you have no one to cheer for. Imagine Canada in the WC's and you'll understand.


I could care less seeing we'll never beat the states. I hope Jonas starts taking after the big z and stops playing for his national team. they better lose today so we can get Jonas back to Toronto. He could of been working on his game instead of this trash for a month plus.

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Even if they lose, they will play for 3rd on Sunday. You'll have to deal with it.
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Re: JV at EuroBasket 2013 (vs Croatia 11:45 AM ET September  

Post#2267 » by GreatWhiteStiff » Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:36 pm

"In Jonas case, his game form looks bad, he spent summer working on strength training, he cant take a jumper, his touch is inconsistent, and on top of that, he is not moving very well without the ball. If he had his spring form and confidence, he could easily work on this team."

Yeah ok, but isn't making like 2 shots out of 3? I mean he's no bargnani or hedo turkoglu, but he seems to be doing alright by that metric.
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Re: JV at EuroBasket 2013 (vs Croatia 11:45 AM ET September 

Post#2268 » by Kastas » Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:36 pm

DatHomieYouHaTe wrote:
Laure wrote:It's a lame tournament when you have no one to cheer for. Imagine Canada in the WC's and you'll understand.


I could care less seeing we'll never beat the states. I hope Jonas starts taking after the big z and stops playing for his national team. they better lose today so we can get Jonas back to Toronto. He could of been working on his game instead of this trash for a month plus.

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While I understand your ignorance, I am happy that Jonas gets to see some competitive basketball.
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Re: JV at EuroBasket 2013 (vs Croatia 11:45 AM ET September 

Post#2269 » by cold_cowboy » Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:50 pm

DatHomieYouHaTe wrote:
Laure wrote:It's a lame tournament when you have no one to cheer for. Imagine Canada in the WC's and you'll understand.


I could care less seeing we'll never beat the states. I hope Jonas starts taking after the big z and stops playing for his national team. they better lose today so we can get Jonas back to Toronto. He could of been working on his game instead of this trash for a month plus.

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wishing a team to lose, claaassy.. i bet you'd tell jonas that to his face if you had the opportunity.
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Re: JV at EuroBasket 2013 (vs Croatia 11:45 AM ET September 

Post#2270 » by JV4MVP » Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:55 pm

DatHomieYouHaTe wrote:I hope Jonas starts taking after the big z and stops playing for his national team. they better lose today so we can get Jonas back to Toronto. He could of been working on his game instead of this trash for a month plus.


Not gonna happen. JV seems very loyal to Lithuania.

Big Z would've played too had he not had the injuries. I believe the Cavs forced him to agree to terms to not play for the NT in order to receive his $10m x-years contract.
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Re: JV at EuroBasket 2013 (vs Croatia 11:45 AM ET September 

Post#2271 » by DG88 » Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:11 pm

DatHomieYouHaTe wrote:
Laure wrote:It's a lame tournament when you have no one to cheer for. Imagine Canada in the WC's and you'll understand.


I could care less seeing we'll never beat the states. I hope Jonas starts taking after the big z and stops playing for his national team. they better lose today so we can get Jonas back to Toronto. He could of been working on his game instead of this trash for a month plus.

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Get over yourself. This tournament isn't about developing Jonas, which I stated in an early post, this is about getting a spot for the Basketball World Championship. Basketball has a lot of meaning for Lithuanian's. It was their escape from Soviet Russia. Everytime the National Team plays is showing their independence and unity as a nation. It might not mean much to you but it means a lot for Jonas and his countrymen. Yes Jonas has a commitment to the Raptors since we're paying him, but he also has a commitment to his country. At least show some respect instead of being selfish and ignorant.
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Re: JV at EuroBasket 2013 (vs Croatia 11:45 AM ET September 

Post#2272 » by JV4MVP » Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:49 pm

Bagdanovic, Tomic and Simon players to watch for Croatia.

Simon can shot lights out. Bagdonovic can score everywhere.

Croatia bigs slip on the PnR almost everytime,
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Re: JV at EuroBasket 2013 (vs Croatia 11:45 AM ET September  

Post#2273 » by ATLTimekeeper » Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:52 pm

Let's see if Kleiza gets 12 straight again.
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Re: JV at EuroBasket 2013 (vs Croatia 11:45 AM ET September  

Post#2274 » by ATLTimekeeper » Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:54 pm

JV isn't even first C off the bench.
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Re: JV at EuroBasket 2013 (vs Croatia 11:45 AM ET September  

Post#2275 » by HSOB SIRHC » Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:55 pm

When was the last time Lavrinovic had a good game?
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Re: JV at EuroBasket 2013 (vs Croatia 11:45 AM ET September  

Post#2276 » by AK47MVP » Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:55 pm

we probably won't even see Jonas today unless it is blowout.
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Re: JV at EuroBasket 2013 (vs Croatia 11:45 AM ET September  

Post#2277 » by BLKMASS » Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:57 pm

#5 of Croatia is skinny version of Marc Gasol
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Re: JV at EuroBasket 2013 (vs Croatia 11:45 AM ET September 

Post#2278 » by JV4MVP » Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:58 pm

Oh Oh this may be one of Kleiza's epic games

12 pts in 1st quarter. Hopefully he will play smart for the rest of the game.
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Re: JV at EuroBasket 2013 (vs Croatia 11:45 AM ET September  

Post#2279 » by AK47MVP » Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:58 pm

Air Kleiza!
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Re: JV at EuroBasket 2013 (vs Croatia 11:45 AM ET September  

Post#2280 » by ATLTimekeeper » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:04 pm

Refs are helping Lithuania.

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