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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#2261 » by Indeed » Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:34 pm

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Aaron Henry shoots lefty and his floaters/around the bucket righty! Maybe he changes his mind and turns eligible? #59 pick? Good passer, decent defender, decent 3pt shooter, good program. Maybe Mo Pete 2.0?


He is returning to school:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/29584257/michigan-state-aaron-henry-withdrawing-draft

He would be a sleeper on this draft, and his ceiling would be more than Mo Pete. He is already a 3+D, I believe.


If there isn't going to be a college season, shouldn't they allow those that previously declared to re-declare?


No college season as in no study?
Is there any advantage for the player themselves to re-declare?

I feel it is more for us to have another player in the draft than doing good things for them, perhaps you can correct me.
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Post#2262 » by mademan » Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:46 pm

Ya, id definitely take a flyer on Jaden McDaniels. Guys his size with his handles/fluidity are rare. He might never hit his ceiling, but ill bet on Raps development making good use of his physical gifts
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Post#2263 » by gojoorange » Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:55 pm

Mark_83 wrote:https://www.cbssports.com/nba/draft/prospect-rankings/

If the draft worked out anywhere near these rankings I would go:

29) Bane / Flynn / Reed
59) Diakite / Marshall


Paul Reed seems like a Masai type pick. I like his game, hopefully he’s there at 29.
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Post#2264 » by Syd-TK3 » Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:25 am

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Syd-TK3 wrote:He's my main preference with our 2nd pick. If workouts do get to happen I'm worried he'll start rising on boards though


Young Lance Stephenson without the headcase?

I wouldn't mind him at #29 if they feel he's the best guard available.

Really though, I would like to trade #59 and 2021 2nd pick to move up into the 40's. Maybe dump Stanley + cash?

Toronto trades: #59, 2021 2nd pick, Stanley Johnson and cash
Sacramento trades: #52


We can't trade Stanley Johnson, he has a player option.

I do not see the needs of moving up as well, and best to take him undrafted with a 2-way contract than a 2nd round contract.
Because we may need someone who can contribute when injuries come, and ideally, 2nd round contract would be someone who can contribute immediately.

Really shouldn't be that hard to just simply buy another 2nd, there was talk about teams selling 1st so definitely 2nds should be easier
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Post#2265 » by Indeed » Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:38 am

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Young Lance Stephenson without the headcase?

I wouldn't mind him at #29 if they feel he's the best guard available.

Really though, I would like to trade #59 and 2021 2nd pick to move up into the 40's. Maybe dump Stanley + cash?

Toronto trades: #59, 2021 2nd pick, Stanley Johnson and cash
Sacramento trades: #52


We can't trade Stanley Johnson, he has a player option.

I do not see the needs of moving up as well, and best to take him undrafted with a 2-way contract than a 2nd round contract.
Because we may need someone who can contribute when injuries come, and ideally, 2nd round contract would be someone who can contribute immediately.

Really shouldn't be that hard to just simply buy another 2nd, there was talk about teams selling 1st so definitely 2nds should be easier


We have limited roster spot if you read what I posted previously.

If we are re-signing all VanVleet, Ibaka and Gasol (or a FA replacement for C), we only have 1 more roster spot between RHJ, Boucher, Miller (and Watson). I am unsure the 2nd round pick would be better than Boucher or Watson. Ideally we want them undrafted and sign them with our two-way instead.
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Post#2266 » by Syd-TK3 » Mon Aug 24, 2020 3:41 am

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We can't trade Stanley Johnson, he has a player option.

I do not see the needs of moving up as well, and best to take him undrafted with a 2-way contract than a 2nd round contract.
Because we may need someone who can contribute when injuries come, and ideally, 2nd round contract would be someone who can contribute immediately.

Really shouldn't be that hard to just simply buy another 2nd, there was talk about teams selling 1st so definitely 2nds should be easier


We have limited roster spot if you read what I posted previously.

If we are re-signing all VanVleet, Ibaka and Gasol (or a FA replacement for C), we only have 1 more roster spot between RHJ, Boucher, Miller (and Watson). I am unsure the 2nd round pick would be better than Boucher or Watson. Ideally we want them undrafted and sign them with our two-way instead.

Oh I missed that.
I'd say its pretty much guranteed Miller is gone. And if we manage to keep both bigs Boucher is too. So it really just comes down to Rondae.
Nurse had a lot of good things to say about Watson so he could get converted
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Post#2267 » by yt_boi » Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:14 am

Syd-TK3 wrote:
Indeed wrote:
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Young Lance Stephenson without the headcase?

I wouldn't mind him at #29 if they feel he's the best guard available.

Really though, I would like to trade #59 and 2021 2nd pick to move up into the 40's. Maybe dump Stanley + cash?

Toronto trades: #59, 2021 2nd pick, Stanley Johnson and cash
Sacramento trades: #52


We can't trade Stanley Johnson, he has a player option.

I do not see the needs of moving up as well, and best to take him undrafted with a 2-way contract than a 2nd round contract.
Because we may need someone who can contribute when injuries come, and ideally, 2nd round contract would be someone who can contribute immediately.

Really shouldn't be that hard to just simply buy another 2nd, there was talk about teams selling 1st so definitely 2nds should be easier

Not always, 2nds don't have guaranteed money so sometimes more desirable
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Post#2268 » by Dalek » Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:16 pm

After watching Dallas play Trey Burke and Seth Curry in crunch time last night with guys like Kawhi and Paul George on the floor, it is clear to me that you can draft a smallish shooter and still win against elite NBA length and defense.

Tyrell Terry is my number one option if he falls to Toronto. He is an over 40% 3P shooter, and honestly he is probably one of the most high-IQ players in the draft. He is underweight, but it never stopped Steph Curry when he first entered the NBA. At the very least you are getting the top shooter in the draft.

I love this graph that shows how he led the NCAA in good possession rate. It shows that he knows high efficiency shots and he generally makes them even if he does not have a lot of advanced shot creation, yet.

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Post#2269 » by BallstriKer » Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:13 pm

I seriously doubt Terry falls anywhere near close to 29 tbh.
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Post#2270 » by Psubs » Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:21 pm

BallstriKer wrote:I seriously doubt Terry falls anywhere near close to 29 tbh.


Orlando could take him at #15.

He could fall to Philly at #21.
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Post#2271 » by Syd-TK3 » Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:57 pm

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BallstriKer wrote:I seriously doubt Terry falls anywhere near close to 29 tbh.


Orlando could take him at #15.

He could fall to Philly at #21.

I basically have him locked in with Philly
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Post#2272 » by BallstriKer » Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:07 pm

Yeah, I agree. I am realizing that Philly could package that pick in a trade as they try to salvage their roster after that disastrous playoff run, in which case may be Terry falls closer to 29.
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Post#2273 » by Dalek » Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:52 pm

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BallstriKer wrote:I seriously doubt Terry falls anywhere near close to 29 tbh.


Orlando could take him at #15.

He could fall to Philly at #21.

I basically have him locked in with Philly


It makes sense that a team like Philly would like him, and I can even see a lot of mocks like the fit with Philly. I just wonder how patient they are at this point especially after getting bounced in the first after a sweep.

Maybe the 'Process' could be a little accelerated and they could look at a Riller who is more of a plug and play bench scorer or Bane who is a good fit with Simmons in the backcourt replacing what JJ Reddick provided. If they are looking for a PG senior with plus shooting that they can hide with their lengthy defense, then Cassius Winston or Pritchard are also in that discussion.
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Post#2274 » by Psubs » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:24 pm

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BallstriKer wrote:I seriously doubt Terry falls anywhere near close to 29 tbh.


Orlando could take him at #15.

He could fall to Philly at #21.

I basically have him locked in with Philly


Maybe they like Jamius Ramsey who also shot over 40% from 3, though his FT shooting is a concern.

Also Kira Lewis and Hampton could be there for them at #21.
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Post#2275 » by alpngso » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:27 pm

Dalek wrote:After watching Dallas play Trey Burke and Seth Curry in crunch time last night with guys like Kawhi and Paul George on the floor, it is clear to me that you can draft a smallish shooter and still win against elite NBA length and defense.

Tyrell Terry is my number one option if he falls to Toronto. He is an over 40% 3P shooter, and honestly he is probably one of the most high-IQ players in the draft. He is underweight, but it never stopped Steph Curry when he first entered the NBA. At the very least you are getting the top shooter in the draft.

I love this graph that shows how he led the NCAA in good possession rate. It shows that he knows high efficiency shots and he generally makes them even if he does not have a lot of advanced shot creation, yet.

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The dude is 160 lbs. He's not going to survive in the league. Even if he adds 15 lbs of muscle which is hard.
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Post#2276 » by Psubs » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:29 pm

BallstriKer wrote:Yeah, I agree. I am realizing that Philly could package that pick in a trade as they try to salvage their roster after that disastrous playoff run, in which case may be Terry falls closer to 29.


Send them Matt Thomas and #59. :D
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Post#2277 » by YelloC » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:38 am

Everything I’ve read about Grant Riller has me intrigued.
It seems like the underdog type that the Raptors keep picking.
He’s kinda giving me Jamal Murray/Dame vibes and could overachieve under the Raps system and in today’s NBA.
His athleticism isn’t great but that seems less important these days when compared to shot creation ability.
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Post#2278 » by Psubs » Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:03 am

YelloC wrote:Everything I’ve read about Grant Riller has me intrigued.
It seems like the underdog type that the Raptors keep picking.
He’s kinda giving me Jamal Murray/Dame vibes and could overachieve under the Raps system and in today’s NBA.
His athleticism isn’t great but that seems less important these days when compared to shot creation ability.


In a weak conference, he has a lot of turnovers. His A/T suggest he's a combo guard off the bench. I don't mind taking Markus Howard at #50 to be the 3rd PG/SG and use #29 on Reed, Tillman or Jalen Smith. Even Tyler Bey as a defensive swingman that can knock down the trey.

Markus Howard "could" have success like IT did being picked #60.
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Post#2279 » by BallstriKer » Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:25 am

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BallstriKer wrote:Yeah, I agree. I am realizing that Philly could package that pick in a trade as they try to salvage their roster after that disastrous playoff run, in which case may be Terry falls closer to 29.


Send them Matt Thomas and #59. :D
That's an idea Although I'm not sure I'd want to spend that pick on Terry as he might not end up any better than Thomas. I say we get Bane at 21 and Tillman at 29.
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Post#2280 » by YelloC » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:37 am

Psubs wrote:
BallstriKer wrote:Yeah, I agree. I am realizing that Philly could package that pick in a trade as they try to salvage their roster after that disastrous playoff run, in which case may be Terry falls closer to 29.


Send them Matt Thomas and #59. :D

If Masai/Bobby pick is gone by 29, I would look at trading 29 and 59 for 2nds.
NOP, SAC and 76ers all have 2 picks between 30 and 50 so those are the teams I would target as trade partners.
If we can get a big and a guard that would be ideal.

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