Lowry Thread (Woj: Mulling HOU/TOR offers; LAL/MIA want in)

[hillbilly hare]

i havent just gone thru a few of this thread's pages - we all would like to the raptors to resign him but no one wants to overpay him. well, tell me what other options do you have?

we arent willing to give 5 yr option (lets say its 12mil 5 yrs - 60 mil) to lowry who was the reason this team played so well last season; yet we are willing to spend/sign on bledsoe that same amount or similar becz he is younger than him?

Agreed.

I prefer Lowry to Bledsoe, if only for a case of "the devil you know". And I prefer Dragic to either of them.

If the worst case scenario dropped on us, I would offer a monster contract to Bledsoe and I wouldn't lose much sleep if they matched or not. If they don't, we have a very good, and improving, young PG who might outplay the 2013-14 Lowry in the long run. If they do match, then we play Vasquez for a year and make the SAME monster offer to Dragic next year. Phoenix can't afford both of them.

[OAKLEY_2]

i havent just gone thru a few of this thread's pages - we all would like to the raptors to resign him but no one wants to overpay him. well, tell me what other options do you have?

we arent willing to give 5 yr option (lets say its 12mil 5 yrs - 60 mil) to lowry who was the reason this team played so well last season; yet we are willing to spend/sign on bledsoe that same amount or similar becz he is younger than him?

Sounds like this going to net out at 5 - 55. Le Doug is trying to coax readership by saying Miami is in position to make an offer with the big 1.5 now under contract. As long as LBJ isn't signed and demanding the max there is a big question mark in Miami. Not to mention assuming a position where Chalmers and Cole were such after thoughts. Miami is really like the Shaquille Heat and are looking at the downward slope of their run. Wade is near toast and Bosh at best an 11 mil player. The whole thing rests on LBJs shoulders and as long as they hang onto Wade and Bosh and overpay them (at reduced rates) this might be getting near to a finish. Bosh isn't even playing for rings now he is playing to live in Miami.

The only thing I'll regret on the oft chance KL leaves is the loss of leadership, ability to take over a game and the optics. Saving all that money like Nash is likely a blessing in disguise.

[CunningLinguist]

i havent just gone thru a few of this thread's pages - we all would like to the raptors to resign him but no one wants to overpay him. well, tell me what other options do you have?

we arent willing to give 5 yr option (lets say its 12mil 5 yrs - 60 mil) to lowry who was the reason this team played so well last season; yet we are willing to spend/sign on bledsoe that same amount or similar becz he is younger than him?

Agreed.

I prefer Lowry to Bledsoe, if only for a case of "the devil you know". And I prefer Dragic to either of them.

If the worst case scenario dropped on us, I would offer a monster contract to Bledsoe and I wouldn't lose much sleep if they matched or not. If they don't, we have a very good, and improving, young PG who might outplay the 2013-14 Lowry in the long run. If they do match, then we play Vasquez for a year and make the SAME monster offer to Dragic next year. Phoenix can't afford both of them.

Why do people continually suggest signing Bledsoe when we don't have the cap space to accomplish it? He's also an RFA, so the Suns can match any offer sheet.

[RedX]

i havent just gone thru a few of this thread's pages - we all would like to the raptors to resign him but no one wants to overpay him. well, tell me what other options do you have?

we arent willing to give 5 yr option (lets say its 12mil 5 yrs - 60 mil) to lowry who was the reason this team played so well last season; yet we are willing to spend/sign on bledsoe that same amount or similar becz he is younger than him?

Agreed.

I prefer Lowry to Bledsoe, if only for a case of "the devil you know". And I prefer Dragic to either of them.

If the worst case scenario dropped on us, I would offer a monster contract to Bledsoe and I wouldn't lose much sleep if they matched or not. If they don't, we have a very good, and improving, young PG who might outplay the 2013-14 Lowry in the long run. If they do match, then we play Vasquez for a year and make the SAME monster offer to Dragic next year. Phoenix can't afford both of them.

Why do people continually suggest signing Bledsoe when we don't have the cap space to accomplish it? He's also an RFA, so the Suns can match any offer sheet.

You go into the lux tax if need be, only to not take a step back this year by losing Lowry imo.

I think people overall want us to bid very high on him to at the very least force PHNX to match.

[Fairview4Life]

You go into the lux tax if need be, only to not take a step back this year by losing Lowry imo.

I think people overall want us to bid very high on him to at the very least force PHNX to match.

The Raptors do not have the available capspace to offer Bledsoe a max contract. It would have to be a sign and trade. There's no real reason for Phoenix to jump on a sign and trade with the Raps when Bledsoe can't sign an offer sheet with us unless we're offering a whole bunch of things they want. So Bledsoe would have to want to sign with the Raps above every other team, and we would have to offer Phoenix enough incentive to sign and trade him to us.

[hillbilly hare]

i havent just gone thru a few of this thread's pages - we all would like to the raptors to resign him but no one wants to overpay him. well, tell me what other options do you have?

we arent willing to give 5 yr option (lets say its 12mil 5 yrs - 60 mil) to lowry who was the reason this team played so well last season; yet we are willing to spend/sign on bledsoe that same amount or similar becz he is younger than him?

Agreed.

I prefer Lowry to Bledsoe, if only for a case of "the devil you know". And I prefer Dragic to either of them.

If the worst case scenario dropped on us, I would offer a monster contract to Bledsoe and I wouldn't lose much sleep if they matched or not. If they don't, we have a very good, and improving, young PG who might outplay the 2013-14 Lowry in the long run. If they do match, then we play Vasquez for a year and make the SAME monster offer to Dragic next year. Phoenix can't afford both of them.

Why do people continually suggest signing Bledsoe when we don't have the cap space to accomplish it? He's also an RFA, so the Suns can match any offer sheet.

I know he's a restricted free agent. Hence the line "if they match it or not", key word being "match".

We had over 20M in cap space without the team option on Amir and qualifying offers, but I don't know the updated situation today.

[Troubadour]

Lowry seems to have offers from us, Houston and the Lakers. I can't see him taking a short-term deal with the Lakers. Houston will have to sign him out right to get him, meaning Carmelo would have to agree to a sign and trade.

It seems like a lot to ask for Lowry to move to another team.

[CunningLinguist]

Agreed.

I prefer Lowry to Bledsoe, if only for a case of "the devil you know". And I prefer Dragic to either of them.

If the worst case scenario dropped on us, I would offer a monster contract to Bledsoe and I wouldn't lose much sleep if they matched or not. If they don't, we have a very good, and improving, young PG who might outplay the 2013-14 Lowry in the long run. If they do match, then we play Vasquez for a year and make the SAME monster offer to Dragic next year. Phoenix can't afford both of them.

Why do people continually suggest signing Bledsoe when we don't have the cap space to accomplish it? He's also an RFA, so the Suns can match any offer sheet.

I know he's a restricted free agent. Hence the line "if they match it or not", key word being "match".

We had over 20M in cap space without the team option on Amir and qualifying offers, but I don't know the updated situation today.

Where are you getting your capspace information?

[Mak]

At this point I don't mind if he does not come back. Would be nice to get an asset in a sign and trade.

[Anatomize]

I have to assume with some of the picks PHX made they're fully prepared for a scenario where they don't match Bledsoe.

[Ong_dynasty]

I think if we cant get lowry to a decent 4 year contract.
I would consider the idea of houston S&T.
Maybe an extra pick from houston in the year after.
But Lin and 2 picks + cash (to offset pay).

Maybe worth it so we have space next year.

i think with a Lin and Vasquez PG we should still be able to make the playoffs (especially with a lou williams for salmons) and an expected increase in production from ROSS and JV (and maybe bebe?).

Then next year we really look at free agency again. with 2 picks as well.

[dagger]

Why do people continually suggest signing Bledsoe when we don't have the cap space to accomplish it? He's also an RFA, so the Suns can match any offer sheet.

I know he's a restricted free agent. Hence the line "if they match it or not", key word being "match".

We had over 20M in cap space without the team option on Amir and qualifying offers, but I don't know the updated situation today.

Where are you getting your capspace information?

He's right. that was our starting point before the trade with Atlanta, but one can also create new cap space using stretch waivers or sacrificing a draft pick to move somebody like Novak. Frankly, if Lowry walks, and Eric Bledsoe signs an offer sheet with us, I'd be happy to stretch waive Fields and/or Hayes to fit him in. Remember, we don't have to actually do that if PHX matches an offer for Bledsoe, only if they don't.

[dagger]

I think if we cant get lowry to a decent 4 year contract.
I would consider the idea of houston S&T.
Maybe an extra pick from houston in the year after.
But Lin and 2 picks + cash (to offset pay).

Maybe worth it so we have space next year.

i think with a Lin and Vasquez PG we should still be able to make the playoffs (especially with a lou williams for salmons) and an expected increase in production from ROSS and JV (and maybe bebe?).

Then next year we really look at free agency again. with 2 picks as well.

What are you going to do with $30m in cap space next year? We're going to be a lottery team in all likelihood, and they never attract high end free agents. If we could entice a second or third tier FA, it would likely be the same kind of overpay people are afraid of with Lowry.

[WigginsNation]

So if lowry is indeed gonna take a couple days to make this decision, then we might as well chillout til tomorrow. Nothing is happening today folks.

[Rapsalot]

If it comes down to Houston S&T we don't have to do that but would this work for both sides.

To Houston KLOW @ $12 mill 4 years, Landry F, Steve Novak.

To Raptors Chandler Parson @ $8 mill 4 years, J Lin + Houston's first pick 2015?

We upgrade SF and Down grad back up PG and sign GV and DeColo so with Lou, TRoss and DD we have a good guard rotation. Plus extra pick next year.

Houston gets major PG up-grade and off loads Lin but picks up salary in Field and Novak who might be a good shooter next to D Howard ad a back-up PF

[Ong_dynasty]

What are you going to do with $30m in cap space next year? We're going to be a lottery team in all likelihood, and they never attract high end free agents. If we could entice a second or third tier FA, it would likely be the same kind of overpay people are afraid of with Lowry.

I personally believe we are still a playoff team without lowry. We were on pace for 50 wins after Gay (even more)
Well I guess that is where we differ, I give Masai the benefit of the doubt that he can do something with $30million and 4 draft picks the next few years.

I see it as one step back to take 2 steps forward.

My concern with Lowry is length of his deal considering he is 29 and injury prone. If he younger and not as injury prone. i would be willing. I think his play can dictate the money, but not his health and age.

[Scraptor]

I know he's a restricted free agent. Hence the line "if they match it or not", key word being "match".

We had over 20M in cap space without the team option on Amir and qualifying offers, but I don't know the updated situation today.

Where are you getting your capspace information?

He's right. that was our starting point before the trade with Atlanta, but one can also create new cap space using stretch waivers or sacrificing a draft pick to move somebody like Novak. Frankly, if Lowry walks, and Eric Bledsoe signs an offer sheet with us, I'd be happy to stretch waive Fields and/or Hayes to fit him in. Remember, we don't have to actually do that if PHX matches an offer for Bledsoe, only if they don't.

We'd have to also renounce our QOs for our RFAs (Patterson, Vasquez, De Colo), would we not? I think their cap holds clog things up considerably.

[rapsrealm]

I personally don't see the point of a sign and trade for Lowry unless we're getting picks/Capella. I rather just go after Bledsoe at that point.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

Don't like that this is draggin on. You'd think if he wanted to stay he would. If he's waiting to see what else happens, or if we'll play along and help get him to Houston through S&T, then I hope Masai is prepared be able to get a quick read of the situation and move on to other targets. Worse than just losing Lowry, would be losing Lowry and losing out on free agent acquisitions while waiting, only to be turned down.

[dagger]

Where are you getting your capspace information?

He's right. that was our starting point before the trade with Atlanta, but one can also create new cap space using stretch waivers or sacrificing a draft pick to move somebody like Novak. Frankly, if Lowry walks, and Eric Bledsoe signs an offer sheet with us, I'd be happy to stretch waive Fields and/or Hayes to fit him in. Remember, we don't have to actually do that if PHX matches an offer for Bledsoe, only if they don't.

We'd have to also renounce our QOs for our RFAs (Patterson, Vasquez, De Colo), would we not? I think their cap holds clog things up considerably.

It's not that big of a deal. For example, if we have $13m in cap space without the capholds, we can increase that space, then retain the caphold for Patterson. Vasquez is another matter, but depending on the amount it takes to re-sign Patterson, we can sign Vasquez as a UFA for what's left, or use the room exception ($2.6m) as the basis for starting a long-term deal with him. I mean, if we have Bledsoe, I'd be willing to go in another direction for his backup. I'm not saying any of this is likely to happen, just that it is theoretically possible/feasible.