Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0

[ItsDanger]

If I'm Nurse, I play 3 guards at ALL times. We're undersized anyways.

[Kenter16]

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Is Canada Soccer way better funded than Canada Basketball?
10 days out from a friendly they have a roster and an article written on their website.
Maybe I am comparing apples to oranges. But Canada Soccer can't have a lot more money than CBB. My hypothesis anyways.

Back to the tourny! Hopefully Bogut misses game 1, but plays the other two. CoJo is hopefully in great shape and can shut down Patty Mills. I think our best path to two wins is through AUS and SEN. LTH has a huge advantage in the front court and should control all rebounds, so if we are going to beat them we have to shoot 60% from 3.

[gundysmullet]

Morgan is a good add considering the circumstances. I just don't understand why it had taken so long. He should have been added the moment everyone started to bail and definitely once Olynyk went down.

Morgan played pretty good for Canada in the Qualifier windows. He had a decent solid rookie season in the ACB with Joventut and to my knowledge is returning for a 2nd year (always a key sign).

But if he was available he should have been added a long time ago. He is better than Klassen, but a different type of player. Klassen is more of a bigger, physical paint presence (defense and rebounding) that we desperate need versus Lithuania and Australia. Morgan provides more speed, athleticism and outside shooting that we seem to have lost with Brissett.


Once again - where the F is Nicholson? He could have been a real game changer here. He is a way better player than Wiltjer, or Morgan, or Klassen, or Brissett or even Ejim for that matter.

Yup, I've mentioned him a half a dozen times in this thread. I wish someone in the Canadian media would ask Basketball Canada this question.

[arbsn]

One of the biggest disappointments to me is Chris Boucher. Guy is primed to break out. This would be his chance to be a #1 option on the international team and get some global buzz.

Instead he bails to work out with Rico Hines

[Alfred]

One of the biggest disappointments to me is Chris Boucher. Guy is primed to break out. This would be his chance to be a #1 option on the international team and get some global buzz.

Instead he bails to work out with Rico Hines

Weird decision on his part. He could have impressed the guy who determines how many minutes he gets next year.

Anyway, I’m super bummed out about this whole thing.

[Kid Canada]

One of the biggest disappointments to me is Chris Boucher. Guy is primed to break out. This would be his chance to be a #1 option on the international team and get some global buzz.

Instead he bails to work out with Rico Hines

Yeah I dont get that one either, its too bad Brissett got hurt he might take Bouchers job anyway.

[TrueNorth31]

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Is Canada Soccer way better funded than Canada Basketball?
10 days out from a friendly they have a roster and an article written on their website.
Maybe I am comparing apples to oranges. But Canada Soccer can't have a lot more money than CBB. My hypothesis anyways.

Back to the tourny! Hopefully Bogut misses game 1, but plays the other two. CoJo is hopefully in great shape and can shut down Patty Mills. I think our best path to two wins is through AUS and SEN. LTH has a huge advantage in the front court and should control all rebounds, so if we are going to beat them we have to shoot 60% from 3.

Dude - you couldn't be more wrong about the respective money situations between Canada Basketball and the CSA. Soccer Canada has an annual operating budget in the $ 20-25 million range, CB is at about 6-7 million. There's some huge differences , one of the biggest is player fee revenue. Just about every little kid in Canada I've known between the age of 5-10 has at some point played some soccer , probably through a local community organization ( there's a reason why soccer is the number 1 sport in the world by a large margin - it's relatively easy for kids to play and you don't need much equipment ) . Each organization is mandated to give up a percentage of the registration fee to Soccer Canada. To put it in context , CSA generates more in revenue from these player fees than the entire CB operating budget. Lots of young Canadians play basketball as well, but it's overwhelmingly school based participation, not the club based model you see in soccer and hockey. Educational organizations refuse to pay any player fees to national sports governing bodies.

Another main difference is that the FIFA world cup is massively successful - perhaps even challenging the Olympics in terms of popularity and revenue, while the basketball equivalent is still a work in progress. The CSA shares in FIBA's largesse to a certain degree.

I've said many times on this blog that Canada Basketball doesn't have a pot to piss in - I'll even go further - they can't even afford to buy the pot. During the last AGM they had to go deep into debt just to keep running ( I'm sure the new FIBA qualification procedures in both men's and women's basketball didn't help ) and were counting on a revenue bounce from the World Cup and the Olympics to stay solvent. The shame is I'd say basketball is a lot more popular sport in terms of viewership than soccer in Canada, but most of those eyeballs are obsessed with the Raptor's not our national team and soccer overall has much better mechanisms to generate cash.

[TrueNorth31]

So Wiggins this week is in the Bahamas with most of his team and coaches for a mini-camp/retreat. So he chose this (to prep for a crucial year for him for his career) plus his kids camp in Vaughan last week instead of playing for Canada. The camp he could have re-scheduled, but the team retreat he wanted to be there for his new coach. Though, Josh Okogie elected to play for his country with corrupt team organizers and arguably he's just as important to the Wolves as Wiggins is.

Good find. I've heard these minicamp/retreats organized by the players are becoming more and more a thing with a lot of squads just before training camp. So now if you want to play in the World Cup you have to run the gauntlet-first your NBA team will try to dissuade you ( and if you have the least little injury they have the power to pull the plug) , then your agent will probably be worried about maximizing your future revenue so he'll be negative about you participating and then, last but not least your teammates will be pressuring you to do the Banana Boat/ mini camp team bonding expedition thing.

You really have to want to participate in the World Cup to withstand all these pressures. I give a lot of credit to a guy like Okogie for showing up for Nigeria, but he's the exception , not the norm.

[Vorticity]

One of the biggest disappointments to me is Chris Boucher. Guy is primed to break out. This would be his chance to be a #1 option on the international team and get some global buzz.

Instead he bails to work out with Rico Hines

Weird decision on his part. He could have impressed the guy who determines how many minutes he gets next year.

Anyway, I’m super bummed out about this whole thing.

apparently it was his agent

[raptor jesus]

One of the biggest disappointments to me is Chris Boucher. Guy is primed to break out. This would be his chance to be a #1 option on the international team and get some global buzz.

Instead he bails to work out with Rico Hines

The #1 option? How do you figure that?

I'm pretty sure his contract is still only partially guaranteed, so imo he's making the right decision to focus on preparing for the upcoming NBA season. This isn't a guy with a cozy NBA contract and substantial career earnings behind him.

[And1Skip]

Ok so I’m just IG surfing and I follow the Canadian players and just stumbled onto Kyle Wiltjer’s wife’s IG story and saw that they were shoe shopping in Donnguan and Corey Joseph is clearly in the pic.

I can’t believe how they can’t publicize this stuff officially and how there’s absolutely no one from Canadian media covering them there.

[Alfred]

One of the biggest disappointments to me is Chris Boucher. Guy is primed to break out. This would be his chance to be a #1 option on the international team and get some global buzz.

Instead he bails to work out with Rico Hines

The #1 option? How do you figure that?

I'm pretty sure his contract is still only partially guaranteed, so imo he's making the right decision to focus on preparing for the upcoming NBA season. This isn't a guy with a cozy NBA contract and substantial career earnings behind him.

True, but he's on the bubble anyway. He needs to make a big impression in order to get interest in the NBA, and one of the ways he could do that is by balling out in this tournament and possibly earning more minutes with coach Nurse + the assistants.

[Kenter16]

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[Kenter16]

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Is Canada Soccer way better funded than Canada Basketball?
10 days out from a friendly they have a roster and an article written on their website.
Maybe I am comparing apples to oranges. But Canada Soccer can't have a lot more money than CBB. My hypothesis anyways.

Back to the tourny! Hopefully Bogut misses game 1, but plays the other two. CoJo is hopefully in great shape and can shut down Patty Mills. I think our best path to two wins is through AUS and SEN. LTH has a huge advantage in the front court and should control all rebounds, so if we are going to beat them we have to shoot 60% from 3.

Dude - you couldn't be more wrong about the respective money situations between Canada Basketball and the CSA. Soccer Canada has an annual operating budget in the $ 20-25 million range, CB is at about 6-7 million. There's some huge differences , one of the biggest is player fee revenue. Just about every little kid in Canada I've known between the age of 5-10 has at some point played some soccer , probably through a local community organization ( there's a reason why soccer is the number 1 sport in the world by a large margin - it's relatively easy for kids to play and you don't need much equipment ) . Each organization is mandated to give up a percentage of the registration fee to Soccer Canada. To put it in context , CSA generates more in revenue from these player fees than the entire CB operating budget. Lots of young Canadians play basketball as well, but it's overwhelmingly school based participation, not the club based model you see in soccer and hockey. Educational organizations refuse to pay any player fees to national sports governing bodies.

Another main difference is that the FIFA world cup is massively successful - perhaps even challenging the Olympics in terms of popularity and revenue, while the basketball equivalent is still a work in progress. The CSA shares in FIBA's largesse to a certain degree.

I've said many times on this blog that Canada Basketball doesn't have a pot to piss in - I'll even go further - they can't even afford to buy the pot. During the last AGM they had to go deep into debt just to keep running ( I'm sure the new FIBA qualification procedures in both men's and women's basketball didn't help ) and were counting on a revenue bounce from the World Cup and the Olympics to stay solvent. The shame is I'd say basketball is a lot more popular sport in terms of viewership than soccer in Canada, but most of those eyeballs are obsessed with the Raptor's not our national team and soccer overall has much better mechanisms to generate cash.

Thanks for the insight. I hope we can get some more corporate sponsorship in the near future...

[WellYouKnow]

Hasn't it already been posted that cojo is not coming

Only by Doug Smith. Nurse keeps saying hes coming

So when cojo doesn't show up, the ones crapping on Doug gonna backtrack and or apologize

This is why I think it's silly for ppl who don't follow a certain subject to be all snarky about it on the internet

What was the point of this post?

[Hair Canada]

So Wiggins this week is in the Bahamas with most of his team and coaches for a mini-camp/retreat. So he chose this (to prep for a crucial year for him for his career) plus his kids camp in Vaughan last week instead of playing for Canada. The camp he could have re-scheduled, but the team retreat he wanted to be there for his new coach. Though, Josh Okogie elected to play for his country with corrupt team organizers and arguably he's just as important to the Wolves as Wiggins is.

Good find. I've heard these minicamp/retreats organized by the players are becoming more and more a thing with a lot of squads just before training camp. So now if you want to play in the World Cup you have to run the gauntlet-first your NBA team will try to dissuade you ( and if you have the least little injury they have the power to pull the plug) , then your agent will probably be worried about maximizing your future revenue so he'll be negative about you participating and then, last but not least your teammates will be pressuring you to do the Banana Boat/ mini camp team bonding expedition thing.

You really have to want to participate in the World Cup to withstand all these pressures. I give a lot of credit to a guy like Okogie for showing up for Nigeria, but he's the exception , not the norm.

This sounds true until you realize that in many of the European countries the NBA guys do suit up. This includes superstars like Giannis in Greece and Jokic in Serbia. Or take the team in our group, Lithuania. They have two NBA players. Both are in China. We have like more than ten (not including rookies) and only two in China. Same goes for France, which we might meet if we somehow get through our group of death. Each and every one of their NBA veterans is suiting up. And the list goes on (Serbia, Greece, Italy, etc.). I imagine that these players face the same pressures as the Canadians (and Americans) do from teams and agents, but do not let this bother them. Eventually, as you say, it comes down to players' commitment to the team and wanting to be there. And I suspect that the main issue is that in all of these countries people and the media actually care about this tournament, and so players do too. We (Canadians; not people who are here obviously) just don't.

[gundysmullet]

So Wiggins this week is in the Bahamas with most of his team and coaches for a mini-camp/retreat. So he chose this (to prep for a crucial year for him for his career) plus his kids camp in Vaughan last week instead of playing for Canada. The camp he could have re-scheduled, but the team retreat he wanted to be there for his new coach. Though, Josh Okogie elected to play for his country with corrupt team organizers and arguably he's just as important to the Wolves as Wiggins is.

Good find. I've heard these minicamp/retreats organized by the players are becoming more and more a thing with a lot of squads just before training camp. So now if you want to play in the World Cup you have to run the gauntlet-first your NBA team will try to dissuade you ( and if you have the least little injury they have the power to pull the plug) , then your agent will probably be worried about maximizing your future revenue so he'll be negative about you participating and then, last but not least your teammates will be pressuring you to do the Banana Boat/ mini camp team bonding expedition thing.

You really have to want to participate in the World Cup to withstand all these pressures. I give a lot of credit to a guy like Okogie for showing up for Nigeria, but he's the exception , not the norm.

This sounds true until you realize that in many of the European countries the NBA guys do suit up. This includes superstars like Giannis in Greece and Jokic in Serbia. Or take the team in our group, Lithuania. They have two NBA players. Both are in China. We have like more than ten (not including rookies) and only two in China. Same goes for France, which we might meet if we somehow get through our group of death. Each and every one of their NBA veterans is suiting up. And the list goes on (Serbia, Greece, Italy, etc.). I imagine that these players face the same pressures as the Canadians (and Americans) do from teams and agents, but do not let this bother them. Eventually, as you say, it comes down to players' commitment to the team and wanting to be there. And I suspect that the main issue is that in all of these countries people and the media actually care about this tournament, and so players do too. We (Canadians; not people who are here obviously) just don't.

I actually posted a thread topic about it on the general board. Canadians are some of the least patriotic people in the world and globalism has been forced down the throats of everyone since elementary school and this is the result.

[Kenter16]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/canadas-best-case-scenario-olympic-qualification-2019-fiba-world-cup/

Steven Loung breaks down Canada's path to qualifying for the Olympics. It is grim to say the least.
After I read this article, all I could think is hopefully we can host one of the last chance tourny's. That may be the only way we get a good turnout.

[Hair Canada]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/canadas-best-case-scenario-olympic-qualification-2019-fiba-world-cup/

Steven Loung breaks down Canada's path to qualifying for the Olympics. It is grim to say the least.
After I read this article, all I could think is hopefully we can host one of the last chance tourny's. That may be the only way we get a good turnout.

This scenario is full of assumptions presented as facts or likely scenarios and fails to consider many other options. The most glaring among these: The assumption that we have to reach the SF to qualify. Even if the QF ends up looking the way Loung predicts, that's not true. Because unless Argentina (or Brazil, or another SA team) actually qualifies for the SF, there will be more games to determine who is higher-ranked, possibly even between Canada and one of the SA teams. Assumptions like Venezuela as a sure bet against host China are also questionable.

So the only thing I agree with here is that the odds are not in our favor. But trying to predict things with such accuracy and with so many contingent assumptions just strikes me as silly. The odds that things are going to play out this way are probably rather small.

[mojo13]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/canadas-best-case-scenario-olympic-qualification-2019-fiba-world-cup/

Steven Loung breaks down Canada's path to qualifying for the Olympics. It is grim to say the least.
After I read this article, all I could think is hopefully we can host one of the last chance tourny's. That may be the only way we get a good turnout.

This scenario is full of assumptions presented as facts or likely scenarios and fails to consider many other options. The most glaring among these: The assumption that we have to reach the SF to qualify. Even if the QF ends up looking the way Loung predicts, that's not true. Because unless Argentina (or Brazil, or another SA team) actually qualifies for the SF, there will be more games to determine who is higher-ranked, possibly even between Canada and one of the SA teams. Assumptions like Venezuela as a sure bet against host China are also questionable.

So the only thing I agree with here is that the odds are not in our favor. But trying to predict things with such accuracy and with so many contingent assumptions just strikes me as silly. The odds that things are going to play out this way are probably rather small.

This about the worst analysis I have read out there (Luong's). He has no idea the relative strength of rosters, what key players are missing or anything about how teams have performed in the warm-up games. To think DR is somehow favored to get past Germany in the first round is just ignorance.