D Smith: Bosh for Lee, Gallo (Update pg 9)

[Yuri Vaultin]

Also, adding Lee means we probably drop a few spots in the lottery and that would defeat the whole purpose of rebuilding because this team without Bosh would need to really luck out with high picks for the next year or two.

Bottom line, adding Lee would be a terrible move anyway you slice it.

Bottom line, if we're going to rebuild then New York is an awful trading partner in every sense and we'd be much better of dealing with Morey in Houston.

[Reignman]

Also, adding Lee means we probably drop a few spots in the lottery and that would defeat the whole purpose of rebuilding because this team without Bosh would need to really luck out with high picks for the next year or two.

Bottom line, adding Lee would be a terrible move anyway you slice it.

Bottom line, if we're going to rebuild then New York is an awful trading partner in every sense and we'd be much better of dealing with Morey in Houston.

Agreed.

[pspot]

I like Lee and I find it amusing all the flack he gets for being a stat stuffer, especially around here

Gallo looks like he could be a lethal shooter and a great prospect but he offer a lot more value if the Raps didn't already have Turk (not saying he's as good but two slow, non athletic SFs doesn't make sense)

Then add Bargnani and potentially Jose too to that mix and it does get ugly fast

[Reignman]

I like Lee and I find it amusing all the flack he gets for being a stat stuffer, especially around here

Gallo looks like he could be a lethal shooter and a great prospect but he offer a lot more value if the Raps didn't already have Turk (not saying he's as good but two slow, non athletic SFs doesn't make sense)

Then add Bargnani and potentially Jose too to that mix and it does get ugly fast

Lee on his own is fine but not next to Bargs. Actually, I'd rather have Lee than Bargs but that's another story altogether.

[jrsmith]

If a trade like this must go down Id much rather only take Gallo and try to dump a contract and get a pick or 2.

I want absolutely no part of David Lee. The way this team is constructed I would not pay 1 million to Chris's ugly cousin.

[freakoutguy]

Also, adding Lee means we probably drop a few spots in the lottery and that would defeat the whole purpose of rebuilding because this team without Bosh would need to really luck out with high picks for the next year or two.

Bottom line, adding Lee would be a terrible move anyway you slice it.

Bottom line, if we're going to rebuild then New York is an awful trading partner in every sense and we'd be much better of dealing with Morey in Houston.

Agreed.

Bottom line - The Raptors have no leverage and cannot dictate where Chris Bosh will go. He is an UNRESTRICTED free agent. They can only hope that he agrees to play ball so that Raps can get some assets back.

[Hendrix]

The fact that people would be ok with a lineup of Jose/DD/Gallo/Bargs/Lee tells me everything I need to know about their views on basketball.

We might as well fold up shop if this is what our fanbase is like. Leo should start doing those basketball 101 infomercials again, it's clearly still needed north of the border.

It might just be a situation where Colangelo accumulates players that have value around the league. Regardless of his defensive woes, David Lee has value and can be traded - don't think of trade scenarios as simply getting players that will be with the Raptors for life. BC will probably look to flip pieces, just as he would if he ends up with prospects and a TPE.

How much value are our players going to have when they team has a 115DRTG, getting ~30 wins, and the majority of the players make $10 million?

[trick]

Bottom line - The Raptors have no leverage and cannot dictate where Chris Bosh will go. He is an UNRESTRICTED free agent. They can only hope that he agrees to play ball so that Raps can get some assets back.

Yes, Bosh is an unrestricted free agent. However you're severely underrating BC's abilities as a GM and Bosh's demeanor by thinking that the Raptors have no leverage at all.

Both BC and Bosh has stated that they will work together on a S&T if that's what Chris decides to do and BC has stated on numerous occasions that they will only look for a deal that benefits both the team and Chris himself. BC is too good of a GM not to get anything of value back from Chris, at the same time, won't come back to bite him in the ass by trading away the team's best player to a division rival.

[Taiyab_K]

I bet all the Knicks fans think Chris Bosh is no better than David Lee and that Bosh is simply just a stat-stuffer as well...heck they probably think his defense sucks as well. Not sure why the Toronto fans are blasting David Lee, I had him on a fantasy team...and this guy puts up very good numbers in the rebounding category and he has a very high FG%.

Again, if Bosh does have to be S&T'ed it is either NO-ONE or SOMEONE...i'd rather take someone than nobody.

[Reignman]

Bottom line, if we're going to rebuild then New York is an awful trading partner in every sense and we'd be much better of dealing with Morey in Houston.

Agreed.

Bottom line - The Raptors have no leverage and cannot dictate where Chris Bosh will go. He is an UNRESTRICTED free agent. They can only hope that he agrees to play ball so that Raps can get some assets back.

Yeah, but I'd rather let him walk over taking back a contract like Lee. That's not a rebuilding move and we already have 3 $10 mil contracts that are gonna be hard to move as it is.

Just because Toronto doesn't care about defense doesn't mean other GM's will look favourably on players who will most likely sport the league worse defense once again.

The idea is to shed our big contracts, not accumulate another one for a player that would just add to our defensive woes.

[Reignman]

I bet all the Knicks fans think Chris Bosh is no better than David Lee and that Bosh is simply just a stat-stuffer as well...heck they probably think his defense sucks as well. Not sure why the Toronto fans are blasting David Lee, I had him on a fantasy team...and this guy puts up very good numbers in the rebounding category and he has a very high FG%.

Again, if Bosh does have to be S&T'ed it is either NO-ONE or SOMEONE...i'd rather take someone than nobody.

If the goal is to rebuild then sometimes no one is better than just taking someone for the hell of it. Lee falls into that category.

[whysoserious]

Bottom line - The Raptors have no leverage and cannot dictate where Chris Bosh will go. He is an UNRESTRICTED free agent. They can only hope that he agrees to play ball so that Raps can get some assets back.

While Bosh is free to meet and discuss options with any team he wants due to him being an unrestricted fee agent, if BC is proactive he could be dealt at the draft before he hits free agency. He can also start negotiating with a team like Houston and let Bosh's agent know that even though Houston does not have the cap space to sign Bosh, we are working on something that might be beneficial to the team and Bosh already. Bosh might be open to this again, due to Houston being close to home but not directly hometown and having a good coach and some good players on their team already.

[raps4life~]

Bottom line - The Raptors have no leverage and cannot dictate where Chris Bosh will go. He is an UNRESTRICTED free agent. They can only hope that he agrees to play ball so that Raps can get some assets back.

While Bosh is free to meet and discuss options with any team he wants due to him being an unrestricted fee agent, if BC is proactive he could be dealt at the draft before he hits free agency. He can also start negotiating with a team like Houston and let Bosh's agent know that even though Houston does not have the cap space to sign Bosh, we are working on something that might be beneficial to the team and Bosh already. Bosh might be open to this again, due to Houston being close to home but not directly hometown and having a good coach and some good players on their team already.

No, he absolutely cannot do that.

[whysoserious]

Bottom line - The Raptors have no leverage and cannot dictate where Chris Bosh will go. He is an UNRESTRICTED free agent. They can only hope that he agrees to play ball so that Raps can get some assets back.

While Bosh is free to meet and discuss options with any team he wants due to him being an unrestricted fee agent, if BC is proactive he could be dealt at the draft before he hits free agency. He can also start negotiating with a team like Houston and let Bosh's agent know that even though Houston does not have the cap space to sign Bosh, we are working on something that might be beneficial to the team and Bosh already. Bosh might be open to this again, due to Houston being close to home but not directly hometown and having a good coach and some good players on their team already.

No, he absolutely cannot do that.

Maybe I'm wrong but I thought he could be dealt since he's not a free agent until July 1? As for the negotiating a deal with Houston, he can start working that on July 1 even before Bosh agrees to sign with another team and just give his agent the heads up that Houston is in the mix.

[raps4life~]

Maybe I'm wrong but I thought he could be dealt since he's not a free agent until July 1? As for the negotiating a deal with Houston, he can start working that on July 1 even before Bosh agrees to sign with another team and just give his agent the heads up that Houston is in the mix.

No, players in the final year of a contract cannot be traded before July 1st (or 3rd?).

[McFurious1]

I bet all the Knicks fans think Chris Bosh is no better than David Lee and that Bosh is simply just a stat-stuffer as well...heck they probably think his defense sucks as well. Not sure why the Toronto fans are blasting David Lee, I had him on a fantasy team...and this guy puts up very good numbers in the rebounding category and he has a very high FG%.

Again, if Bosh does have to be S&T'ed it is either NO-ONE or SOMEONE...i'd rather take someone than nobody.

If the goal is to rebuild then sometimes no one is better than just taking someone for the hell of it. Lee falls into that category.

Reignman you boggle my mind sometimes, well most of the time. You do realize Daivd Lee was an allstar this year.. right? If you don't think other teams would be interested in having Lee on their team then I would suggest you remove your head from your AS

[Yuri Vaultin]

Bottom line - The Raptors have no leverage and cannot dictate where Chris Bosh will go. He is an UNRESTRICTED free agent. They can only hope that he agrees to play ball so that Raps can get some assets back.

The Raptors actually have $30 million worth of leverage. If Bosh doesn't want max money I have no problem letting him go where ever. WE ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO TAKE CRAP BACK simply to help Bosh's bank account. If Bosh is fine making $30 mil less in New York, then good riddance. BC has more leverage in this situation than most give him credit for. This is more than likely Chris' last really big pay-day and make no mistake, he will want every single penny.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I like Lee and I find it amusing all the flack he gets for being a stat stuffer, especially around here

Gallo looks like he could be a lethal shooter and a great prospect but he offer a lot more value if the Raps didn't already have Turk (not saying he's as good but two slow, non athletic SFs doesn't make sense)

Then add Bargnani and potentially Jose too to that mix and it does get ugly fast

I agree. He's no more a stat stuffer than any of the big PF free agents. New York's pace was similar to Toronto and Utah, less than Phoenix. He had a lower usage than Bosh, Amare and Boozer and absolutely the worst point guards out of the 4. He definitely deserves to have his defense criticized, but no one can take away the skills he does have, and there's only a handful on NBA players that are on par with him in that regard.

[raps4life~]

Can we stop with the 30 million crap? It's not 30 million. The deal he gets from us is 1 year more than a deal with another team. So the actual amount he'd be losing is 30 million minus his first years salary after his 5 year contract is over, which will likely be around 18-20 million, meaning he;d lose around $10million. Obviously still a lot of money, but not 30 million.

[Dr Octagon]

Bottom line - The Raptors have no leverage and cannot dictate where Chris Bosh will go. He is an UNRESTRICTED free agent. They can only hope that he agrees to play ball so that Raps can get some assets back.

The Raptors actually have $30 million worth of leverage. If Bosh doesn't want max money I have no problem letting him go where ever. WE ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO TAKE CRAP BACK simply to help Bosh's bank account. If Bosh is fine making $30 mil less in New York, then good riddance. BC has more leverage in this situation than most give him credit for. This is more than likely Chris' last really big pay-day and make no mistake, he will want every single penny.

What's "better" leverage:

$30 M

or

contend for next 3 - 4 years with team like Bulls (Rose, Noah)

?


BC has basically no leverage, because there's pressure to get something in return for Bosh (if he wants to leave), regardless if it's Lee, or someone similar. How do you think BC will feel, or MLSE, when the best player leave for nothing?


Plus you have to factor in taxes, agent fees, union fees etc. So in reality, it's not really $30M.