Raptors Cap Situation - Woj: Cap at 70 million, Tax 84.7 million

[Rapsobsessed7]

no worries, i added the amount of each trade exception to the OP on page 1. So you can see how much the MLE is and how much the trade exceptions are.

If Diante & Buycks get waived, we have about 6.5 million right?

6.5 million in what? Space before the tax? They arent counted in my calculation because they have non-guaranteed deals. Both were waived to my understanding so i didnt count them. What i listed is what we have before tax.

[Scarface844]

6.5 million in what? Space before the tax? They arent counted in my calculation because they have non-guaranteed deals. Both were waived to my understanding so i didnt count them. What i listed is what we have before tax.

Yeah space before the tax. They havent been waived yet. Only Stone has. Diante will be waived tomorrow and Buycks can be waived by the 22nd. Each gets 900k so that should add up to 6.8 million roughly.

[Rapsobsessed7]

6.5 million in what? Space before the tax? They arent counted in my calculation because they have non-guaranteed deals. Both were waived to my understanding so i didnt count them. What i listed is what we have before tax.

Yeah space before the tax. They havent been waived yet. Diante will be waived tomorrow and Buycks can be waived by the 22nd. Each gets 900k.

if they are waived they get nothing. In my post on page 1 they arent calculated so i dont understand what your asking me.

[ballislife]

no worries, i added the amount of each trade exception to the OP on page 1. So you can see how much the MLE is and how much the trade exceptions are.

If Diante & Buycks get waived, we have about 6.5 million right?

6.5 million in what? Space before the tax? They arent counted in my calculation because they have non-guaranteed deals. Both were waived to my understanding so i didnt count them. What i listed is what we have before tax.

Buycks is on the summer league team, so I think he's still with us next season... Diante was waived (or he's going to be).

[Rapsobsessed7]

Buycks is on the summer league team, so I think he's still with us next season... Diante was waived (or he's going to be).

we dont know that yet. He could be beaten out by one of the summer league guys. Really depends, what if he gets seriously injured? I cant count him till hes officially on the roster.

[Jonn]

So we got enough space for a wing. Lets just hope Bebe can be that backup C.

[Scarface844]

if they are waived they get nothing. In my post on page 1 they arent calculated so i dont understand what your asking me.

Nvm, figured it out.

[ballislife]

Buycks is on the summer league team, so I think he's still with us next season... Diante was waived (or he's going to be).

we dont know that yet. He could be beaten out by one of the summer league guys. Really depends, what if he gets seriously injured? I cant count him till hes officially on the roster.

When's the deadline to waive him? I thought it had passed and that's why we let Stone go. Not sure though, you're probably right.

[David-Kornel]

Thanks for your work on this, however a few points to note. The numbers you have posted are a guesstimate but nowhere close to accurate.

You don't have Bikes listed. He hasn't been waived and is owed $816,480 for next season.

This has already been mentioned, but it is VERY rare for any rookie to sign for less $120% of rookie scale, meaning that Bruno & Bebe (if bought out and signing with us this year) would get about $536,840 more than you stated.

We have no idea how much Lowry, Patterson and GV are getting this year, only the total amount of their contracts. Could be less than the yearly average you stated or could be front loaded. We don't know.

So your numbers could be off by a couple of million either way.

[Rapsobsessed7]

Buycks is on the summer league team, so I think he's still with us next season... Diante was waived (or he's going to be).

we dont know that yet. He could be beaten out by one of the summer league guys. Really depends, what if he gets seriously injured? I cant count him till hes officially on the roster.

When's the deadline to waive him? I thought it had passed and that's why we let Stone go. Not sure though, you're probably right.

July 22nd 2014

[AndreasLeftCalf]

does this mean no blatche?

[Skeezo]

Here you can see our cap sheet & how it rolls up into 2016... Still not sure what GV's cap hold will be... Looks like we might need DD to potentially opt in to free up some space to hold onto JV/TR while still having room to make a real run at Durant

[Rapsobsessed7]

Thanks for your work on this, however a few points to note. The numbers you have posted are a guesstimate but nowhere close to accurate.

You don't have Bikes listed. He hasn't been waived and is owed $816,480 for next season.

This has already been mentioned, but it is VERY rare for any rookie to sign for less $120% of rookie scale, meaning that Bruno & Bebe (if bought out and signing with us this year) would get about $536,840 more than you stated.

We have no idea how much Lowry, Patterson and GV are getting this year, only the total amount of their contracts. Could be less than the yearly average you stated or could be front loaded. We don't know.

So your numbers could be off by a couple of million either way.

ok how else would you have me do it? Contact the agents to get the official numbers? Buycks hasnt been guaranteed or waived so im not counting him. We have till the 22nd Masai waits till the last day to decide on these things because he can be added to a trade and allow you to take back more salary.

Also, for all you know the numbers i posted could be accurate. So doesnt make a lot of sense to say they are no where close to being accurate, now does it? When i get official numbers i will update it.

[David-Kornel]

Thanks for your work on this, however a few points to note. The numbers you have posted are a guesstimate but nowhere close to accurate.

You don't have Bikes listed. He hasn't been waived and is owed $816,480 for next season.

This has already been mentioned, but it is VERY rare for any rookie to sign for less $120% of rookie scale, meaning that Bruno & Bebe (if bought out and signing with us this year) would get about $536,840 more than you stated.

We have no idea how much Lowry, Patterson and GV are getting this year, only the total amount of their contracts. Could be less than the yearly average you stated or could be front loaded. We don't know.

So your numbers could be off by a couple of million either way.

ok how else would you have me do it? Contact the agents to get the official numbers? Buycks hasnt been guaranteed or waived so im not counting him. We have till the 22nd Masai waits till the last day to decide on these things because he can be added to a trade and allow you to take back more salary.

Also, for all you know the numbers i posted could be accurate. So doesnt make a lot of sense to say they are no where close to being accurate, now does it? When i get official numbers i will update it.

No offense, all I am saying is that Buycks IS under contract and should be listed. If or when he is waived then his numbers would come off. Also, almost every rookie signs for %120, so if you are assuming numbers, use the %120 number not a less likely %100 number. Again, no offense intended.

[Rapsobsessed7]

Thanks for your work on this, however a few points to note. The numbers you have posted are a guesstimate but nowhere close to accurate.

You don't have Bikes listed. He hasn't been waived and is owed $816,480 for next season.

This has already been mentioned, but it is VERY rare for any rookie to sign for less $120% of rookie scale, meaning that Bruno & Bebe (if bought out and signing with us this year) would get about $536,840 more than you stated.

We have no idea how much Lowry, Patterson and GV are getting this year, only the total amount of their contracts. Could be less than the yearly average you stated or could be front loaded. We don't know.

So your numbers could be off by a couple of million either way.

ok how else would you have me do it? Contact the agents to get the official numbers? Buycks hasnt been guaranteed or waived so im not counting him. We have till the 22nd Masai waits till the last day to decide on these things because he can be added to a trade and allow you to take back more salary.

Also, for all you know the numbers i posted could be accurate. So doesnt make a lot of sense to say they are no where close to being accurate, now does it? When i get official numbers i will update it.

No offense, all I am saying is that Buycks IS under contract and should be listed. If or when he is waived then his numbers would come off. Also, almost every rookie signs for %120, so if you are assuming numbers, use the %120 number not a less likely %100 number. Again, no offense intended.

if his contract becomes guaranteed i will list it. Until then i wont list it because a variety of things can happen. He can get injured during summer league, he can be traded or he can be beaten out by another summer league PG.

[Skeezo]

Thanks for your work on this, however a few points to note. The numbers you have posted are a guesstimate but nowhere close to accurate.

You don't have Bikes listed. He hasn't been waived and is owed $816,480 for next season.

This has already been mentioned, but it is VERY rare for any rookie to sign for less $120% of rookie scale, meaning that Bruno & Bebe (if bought out and signing with us this year) would get about $536,840 more than you stated.

We have no idea how much Lowry, Patterson and GV are getting this year, only the total amount of their contracts. Could be less than the yearly average you stated or could be front loaded. We don't know.

So your numbers could be off by a couple of million either way.

ok how else would you have me do it? Contact the agents to get the official numbers? Buycks hasnt been guaranteed or waived so im not counting him. We have till the 22nd Masai waits till the last day to decide on these things because he can be added to a trade and allow you to take back more salary.

Also, for all you know the numbers i posted could be accurate. So doesnt make a lot of sense to say they are no where close to being accurate, now does it? When i get official numbers i will update it.

Glad he at least thanked you for the work... It's about a close to as accurate as you are going get at the moment, which is a hell of a lot more accurate then I see some of the reporters put out there... They miss Camby's buyout, & don't equate BeBe's contract at all... I think both Rapsobsessed & I agree or at least hopeful all our deals are evenly paid out rather then raises to keep flexibility going forward but you never know until numbers are officially posted... In my numbers I have scaled in the 120%, so both versions are out there as well...

Although Rapsobsessed I do think you can get rid of some of your predictions from the first post as they have come to pass & get rid of the cap holds for PP/GV/ND as they are all meaningless now... Keep up the good work!

Either way figure we have somewhere between 4m-6m beneath the tax depending on structures... I believe Masai will want some sort of 1-2m breathing room from the tax (in case of injuries/trades) so I really don't see how we are able to offer anybody more then a 3-4m salary...

[David-Kornel]

ok how else would you have me do it? Contact the agents to get the official numbers? Buycks hasnt been guaranteed or waived so im not counting him. We have till the 22nd Masai waits till the last day to decide on these things because he can be added to a trade and allow you to take back more salary.

Also, for all you know the numbers i posted could be accurate. So doesnt make a lot of sense to say they are no where close to being accurate, now does it? When i get official numbers i will update it.

No offense, all I am saying is that Buycks IS under contract and should be listed. If or when he is waived then his numbers would come off. Also, almost every rookie signs for %120, so if you are assuming numbers, use the %120 number not a less likely %100 number. Again, no offense intended.

if his contract becomes guaranteed i will list it. Until then i wont list it because a variety of things can happen. He can get injured during summer league, he can be traded or he can be beaten out by another summer league PG.

If he is NOT waived by the 22nd, it is guaranteed. He has not been waived yet, so it's at least 50/50 at this point. And again, a HUGE majority of rookies don't get scale but 120% of scale. Not sure why you keep assuming that they will only get scale. That alone means we have less than $4.5M under the Tax threshold. Not trying to be difficult but it almost seems that you want to err on having more room under the Tax than is realistically possible

[Rapsobsessed7]

If he is NOT waived by the 22nd, it is guaranteed. He has not been waived yet, so it's at least 50/50 at this point. And again, a HUGE majority of rookies don't get scale but 120% of scale. Not sure why you keep assuming that they will only get scale. That alone means we have less than $4.5M under the Tax threshold. Not trying to be difficult but it almost seems that you want to err on having more more under the Tax than is realistically possible

im not going to retype what i already said to you. When he is guaranteed and they have not waived him on the 22nd i will include him in my calculations. If you dont understand that please refer to my last post.

I assumed they would only get scale because the Raptors would contribute to Bebes buyout. I have since changed the OP to reflect your wishes. Perhaps next time you should do a thread like this.

[David-Kornel]

If he is NOT waived by the 22nd, it is guaranteed. He has not been waived yet, so it's at least 50/50 at this point. And again, a HUGE majority of rookies don't get scale but 120% of scale. Not sure why you keep assuming that they will only get scale. That alone means we have less than $4.5M under the Tax threshold. Not trying to be difficult but it almost seems that you want to err on having more more under the Tax than is realistically possible

im not going to retype what i already said to you. When he is guaranteed and they have not waived him on the 22nd i will include him in my calculations. If you dont understand that please refer to my last post.

I assumed they would only get scale because the Raptors would contribute to Bebes buyout. I have since changed the OP to reflect your wishes. Perhaps next time you should do a thread like this.

Not sure why I touched a nerve, just trying to give you some feedback. Cheers.

[Rapsobsessed7]

Thanks for your work on this, however a few points to note. The numbers you have posted are a guesstimate but nowhere close to accurate.

You don't have Bikes listed. He hasn't been waived and is owed $816,480 for next season.

This has already been mentioned, but it is VERY rare for any rookie to sign for less $120% of rookie scale, meaning that Bruno & Bebe (if bought out and signing with us this year) would get about $536,840 more than you stated.

We have no idea how much Lowry, Patterson and GV are getting this year, only the total amount of their contracts. Could be less than the yearly average you stated or could be front loaded. We don't know.

So your numbers could be off by a couple of million either way.

ok how else would you have me do it? Contact the agents to get the official numbers? Buycks hasnt been guaranteed or waived so im not counting him. We have till the 22nd Masai waits till the last day to decide on these things because he can be added to a trade and allow you to take back more salary.

Also, for all you know the numbers i posted could be accurate. So doesnt make a lot of sense to say they are no where close to being accurate, now does it? When i get official numbers i will update it.

Glad he at least thanked you for the work... It's about a close to as accurate as you are going get at the moment, which is a hell of a lot more accurate then I see some of the reporters put out there... They miss Camby's buyout, & don't equate BeBe's contract at all... I think both Rapsobsessed & I agree or at least hopeful all our deals are evenly paid out rather then raises to keep flexibility going forward but you never know until numbers are officially posted... In my numbers I have scaled in the 120%, so both versions are out there as well...

Although I do think you can get rid of some of your predictions from the first post as they have come to pass & get rid of the cap holds for PP/GV/ND as they are all meaningless now...

Either way figure we have somewhere between 4m-6m beneath the tax depending on structures... I believe Masai will want some sort of 1-2m breathing room from the tax (in case of injuries/trades) so I really don't see how we are able to offer anybody more then a 3-4m salary...

yup. I think our numbers are pretty close now, so that should be a good indication that we are pretty accurate assuming the contracts start where we predict them too. I have removed the QOs & cap holds from the OP. Thank you for your work by the way, its nice having an outlined picture of years to come.