Bruno Caboclo discussion thread

[IMAN5]

Giannis is going to be a superstar, wow.

[JonBones]

No wonder Masai wanted him last year. I doubt he'll be a PG though, point forward if anything..I can't see him trying to dribble around a Russell Westbrook or Chris Paul without getting the ball stolen. Great prospect overall. Bruno is a good prospect too, with the potential to be great. He also may also have a few years to grow. Giannis from what I've seen looks like a better athlete than Bruno however...but Bruno looks like a better shooter, and from what I've seen more intense.

[barrist]

Still have no idea what to expect in Bruno's future. Anything from a poor man's Austin Daye (who killed it in SL if I recall correctly) to a Nic Batum v2.

[RonaldArtest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kwqFG2X7nI

here's a game where giannis played point guard exclusively.....

that's a huge difference, giannis played PG in europe and now with a hall of game PG as a coach, he's going to flourish now....

Giannis upside is way higher but Bruno is still a good pick. I find it interesting that Jason Kidd seems more invested in getting the most out of Giannis versus Jabari Parker

He's showing some nice court vision. I really liked how he quickly passed out of the approaching double for the open 3 near the end. Really talented young man.

[Psubs]

Still have no idea what to expect in Bruno's future. Anything from a poor man's Austin Daye (who killed it in SL if I recall correctly) to a Nic Batum v2.

I would say that his floor is Batum (slightly better defensively but perhaps slightly worse offensively) but his ceiling is Durant with even better defense. He already has legit NBA 3-pt range.

Speaking of legit 3-pt range, Dougy McBuckets is a stud for Chicago. Guy was already hitting shots 3 feet behind the NBA line!

[will]

Dat boy Dougie McBuckets is gonna do big things in the L.

Bruno is gonna have to improve his handles to even come close even being in the same sentence with KD.

[pbernardi]

http://hoopshype.com/columns/jordan-whi ... -you-think

[Dalek]

Still have no idea what to expect in Bruno's future. Anything from a poor man's Austin Daye (who killed it in SL if I recall correctly) to a Nic Batum v2.

I would say that his floor is Batum (slightly better defensively but perhaps slightly worse offensively) but his ceiling is Durant with even better defense. He already has legit NBA 3-pt range.

Speaking of legit 3-pt range, Dougy McBuckets is a stud for Chicago. Guy was already hitting shots 3 feet behind the NBA line!

I think you are underrating Batum and overrating our Bruno if you think he is anywhere near Durant. I think that Batum is Bruno's ceiling and that is a fine expectation for him. Batum can play very good defense and can play on the perimeter as well. I think Durant as a comparison is very unrealistic since he is a generational talent.

I would put Bruno's floor as Austin Daye. Daye when he first came in the league could block shots and shoot threes like Bruno. Problem is he never progressed into anything more than a fringe player due to his skinniness. I already think Bruno has a better frame and can add to his game. He also seems like a better competitor considering all the adversity he faced.

Really, when you think about Bruno Caboclo he is facing long odds being a Brazilian wing in the NBA. Nene and Barbosa were the only real stars to play in the NBA. To come from a country with a limited NBA basketball background, and come from tough living circumstances, it would be hard to see Bruno just ascend himself into superstar status. If he even becomes just an NBA starter, he could really help basketball grow in Brazil. To my knowledge, Oscar Schmidt was the greatest Brazilian player but he never played in the NBA.

I think GMs like to go with predictability. That is why they draft more Americans and look to basketball countries like Spain and Serbia. Masai is different and loves those long odds. He was a huge fan of Greivis Vasquez too, who would be one of the only Venezuelans to really make it in the NBA. I think in an indirect way, guys like Bruno and Greivis really help to promote the B-Ball Without Borders program that Masai loves so much.

[DrCoach]

Still have no idea what to expect in Bruno's future. Anything from a poor man's Austin Daye (who killed it in SL if I recall correctly) to a Nic Batum v2.

I would say that his floor is Batum (slightly better defensively but perhaps slightly worse offensively) but his ceiling is Durant with even better defense. He already has legit NBA 3-pt range.

Speaking of legit 3-pt range, Dougy McBuckets is a stud for Chicago. Guy was already hitting shots 3 feet behind the NBA line!

I think you are underrating Batum and overrating our Bruno if you think he is anywhere near Durant. I think that Batum is Bruno's ceiling and that is a fine expectation for him. Batum can play very good defense and can play on the perimeter as well. I think Durant as a comparison is very unrealistic since he is a generational talent.

I would put Bruno's floor as Austin Daye. Daye when he first came in the league could block shots and shoot threes like Bruno. Problem is he never progressed into anything more than a fringe player due to his skinniness. I already think Bruno has a better frame and can add to his game. He also seems like a better competitor considering all the adversity he faced.

Really, when you think about Bruno Caboclo he is facing long odds being a Brazilian wing in the NBA. Nene and Barbosa were the only real stars to play in the NBA. To come from a country with a limited NBA basketball background, and come from tough living circumstances, it would be hard to see Bruno just ascend himself into superstar status. If he even becomes just an NBA starter, he could really help basketball grow in Brazil. To my knowledge, Oscar Schmidt was the greatest Brazilian player but he never played in the NBA.

I think GMs like to go with predictability. That is why they draft more Americans and look to basketball countries like Spain and Serbia. Masai is different and loves those long odds. He was a huge fan of Greivis Vasquez too, who would be one of the only Venezuelans to really make it in the NBA. I think in an indirect way, guys like Bruno and Greivis really help to promote the B-Ball Without Borders program that Masai loves so much.

Anderson Varejo and Tiago Spillter are also Brazilian

[Psubs]

Still have no idea what to expect in Bruno's future. Anything from a poor man's Austin Daye (who killed it in SL if I recall correctly) to a Nic Batum v2.

I would say that his floor is Batum (slightly better defensively but perhaps slightly worse offensively) but his ceiling is Durant with even better defense. He already has legit NBA 3-pt range.

Speaking of legit 3-pt range, Dougy McBuckets is a stud for Chicago. Guy was already hitting shots 3 feet behind the NBA line!

I think you are underrating Batum and overrating our Bruno if you think he is anywhere near Durant. I think that Batum is Bruno's ceiling and that is a fine expectation for him. Batum can play very good defense and can play on the perimeter as well. I think Durant as a comparison is very unrealistic since he is a generational talent.

I would put Bruno's floor as Austin Daye. Daye when he first came in the league could block shots and shoot threes like Bruno. Problem is he never progressed into anything more than a fringe player due to his skinniness. I already think Bruno has a better frame and can add to his game. He also seems like a better competitor considering all the adversity he faced.

Really, when you think about Bruno Caboclo he is facing long odds being a Brazilian wing in the NBA. Nene and Barbosa were the only real stars to play in the NBA. To come from a country with a limited NBA basketball background, and come from tough living circumstances, it would be hard to see Bruno just ascend himself into superstar status. If he even becomes just an NBA starter, he could really help basketball grow in Brazil. To my knowledge, Oscar Schmidt was the greatest Brazilian player but he never played in the NBA.

I think GMs like to go with predictability. That is why they draft more Americans and look to basketball countries like Spain and Serbia. Masai is different and loves those long odds. He was a huge fan of Greivis Vasquez too, who would be one of the only Venezuelans to really make it in the NBA. I think in an indirect way, guys like Bruno and Greivis really help to promote the B-Ball Without Borders program that Masai loves so much.

Perhaps his career floor is more like Andrei Kirilenko. Really, please stop mentioning Austin Daye who has no motor (who's ceiling is Charlie Villanueva, maybe the Spurs can get him there as they picked up his option for next year).

[MEDIC]

I don't see Austin Daye at all when I see Bruno play. The biggest difference is intensity (which has always been Daye's biggest problem as an NBA player). I find Bruno moves more like a wing than Austin does.

I also think Bruno will fill out. The only reason he is so skinny right now is because he is still a teenager. He's got decent sized calves though & his neck/ traps have some thickness. Eventually the rest of his body will catch up.

[brownbobcat]

his ceiling is Durant with even better defense.

I'm so tired of Raptor fans and their low expectations.

[Rebel INS]

I would say that his floor is Batum (slightly better defensively but perhaps slightly worse offensively) but his ceiling is Durant with even better defense. He already has legit NBA 3-pt range.

Speaking of legit 3-pt range, Dougy McBuckets is a stud for Chicago. Guy was already hitting shots 3 feet behind the NBA line!

I think you are underrating Batum and overrating our Bruno if you think he is anywhere near Durant. I think that Batum is Bruno's ceiling and that is a fine expectation for him. Batum can play very good defense and can play on the perimeter as well. I think Durant as a comparison is very unrealistic since he is a generational talent.

I would put Bruno's floor as Austin Daye. Daye when he first came in the league could block shots and shoot threes like Bruno. Problem is he never progressed into anything more than a fringe player due to his skinniness. I already think Bruno has a better frame and can add to his game. He also seems like a better competitor considering all the adversity he faced.

Really, when you think about Bruno Caboclo he is facing long odds being a Brazilian wing in the NBA. Nene and Barbosa were the only real stars to play in the NBA. To come from a country with a limited NBA basketball background, and come from tough living circumstances, it would be hard to see Bruno just ascend himself into superstar status. If he even becomes just an NBA starter, he could really help basketball grow in Brazil. To my knowledge, Oscar Schmidt was the greatest Brazilian player but he never played in the NBA.

I think GMs like to go with predictability. That is why they draft more Americans and look to basketball countries like Spain and Serbia. Masai is different and loves those long odds. He was a huge fan of Greivis Vasquez too, who would be one of the only Venezuelans to really make it in the NBA. I think in an indirect way, guys like Bruno and Greivis really help to promote the B-Ball Without Borders program that Masai loves so much.

Perhaps his career floor is more like Andrei Kirilenko. Really, please stop mentioning Austin Daye who has no motor (who's ceiling is Charlie Villanueva, maybe the Spurs can get him there as they picked up his option for next year).

You can argue easily that Andrei Kirilenko in his prime Utah years was a notch above Batum, who posters have identified as very favorable career outcome. That is an ABSURDLY high "floor"

Setting expectations impossibly high usually results in fan backlash when a player fails to live up to them. The Derozan "hate" has subsided a lot over the past season, but it probably wouldn't have happened in the first place if fans didn't set their expectations for one of the rawest lottery picks in that draft class at "Vince Carter/Clyde Drexler/Whatever other HOF calibre player".

[Bertoo]

The potential's there but he's too raw to make a good prediction of how good he'll be. Voted 3 stars.

[MEDIC]

Agreed. I would take a prime AK47 over Batum.

I think Kirilenko is probably his ceiling. A jack of all trades type of guy with some crazy length.

Bruno has shown a little bit of everything (shooting, ball handling, blocking shots, running the floor/ high motor, high compete level).

His body just need to mature (and his english) in order to get minutes.

[joseph235]

Bruno will be better than Durant. Book it.

[The_Toro]

Bruno will be better than Durant. Book it.

Selling Bruno a bit short?

I mean Durant plays in the CFL, I am sure Bruno is a better basketball player than a 5'11 QB in the CFL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darian_Durant


OH you mean Kevin Durant.. my mistake

[CoachJReturns]

Agreed. I would take a prime AK47 over Batum.

I think Kirilenko is probably his ceiling. A jack of all trades type of guy with some crazy length.

Bruno has shown a little bit of everything (shooting, ball handling, blocking shots, running the floor/ high motor, high compete level).

His body just need to mature (and his english) in order to get minutes.

Prime Kirilenko would be great. A player who can defend multiple positions, drive the lane sometimes, hit the 3 ball and block shots at a high rate would be a major piece.

[Double Helix]

Pretty solid opinion piece on Bruno from Jonathan Tjarks who writes for the wire tap on this site and probably posts around here.

http://patternofbasketball.blogspot.ca/ ... boclo.html

[youngtea]

Pretty solid opinion piece on Bruno from Jonathan Tjarks who writes for the wire tap on this site and probably posts around here.

http://patternofbasketball.blogspot.ca/ ... boclo.html

Nothing new, but he really hypes his dribbling abilities, when we all know this is a weakness that he needs to improve.