Stein/KOC - Heat most interested in Kyle, 76ers/clippers also interested

[JB7]

Norm will get you picks. Don't throw him in with KL. Let KL play out his own value. The minute you throw in Norm you are getting ripped off.

I would rather pay Lowry and Powell for Herro, than missing out on Herro and getting late FRPs for Lowry and Powell.

Well it’s interesting if you get Herro he essentially becomes part of the core moving forward while you’re still looking for a superstar. While if you get picks and other assets for Norm and Kyle separately, you use those picks for a superstar

Late FRPs have less chance of turning into something than Herro, who was the 13th pick and a more known commodity. Miami has no FRPs to offer, and Philly's picks will easily be late FRPs for the next few years.

[T-d0t]

Some of you guys are overvaluing our assets like Danny Ainge LOL.

I doubt we get Herro from Miami, maybe Achiuwa+filler.

I don't think Sixers trade Maxey. Might be Joe+1st+filler

If we somehow you do get Herro from Miami or Maxey from Philly then you know we overachieved this trade deadline.

[PhilBlackson]

Give me Herro and I'm beyond happy, if we then flip Norm for a decent pick and player with our own high pick, that's a nice, insanely quick refresh/retool.

[OAKLEY_2]

Give me Herro and I'm beyond happy, if we then flip Norm for a decent pick and player with our own high pick, that's a nice, insanely quick refresh/retool.

You will get an FRP from the NYKs for Norm.

I would insist on Dragic, Precious, Nunn, Ariza and the 2025 for Lowry and Thomas.

[inhabitMiami]

Give me Herro and I'm beyond happy, if we then flip Norm for a decent pick and player with our own high pick, that's a nice, insanely quick refresh/retool.

You will get an FRP from the NYKs for Norm.

I would insist on Dragic, Precious, Nunn, Ariza and the 2025 for Lowry and Thomas.

Miami isn't going to trade Dragic. There's just no shot. He has a NTC and is best friends with Jimmy.

[Bruin]

Give me Herro and I'm beyond happy, if we then flip Norm for a decent pick and player with our own high pick, that's a nice, insanely quick refresh/retool.

You will get an FRP from the NYKs for Norm.

I would insist on Dragic, Precious, Nunn, Ariza and the 2025 for Lowry and Thomas.

Miami isn't going to trade Dragic. There's just no shot. He has a NTC and is best friends with Jimmy.

I think Jimmy prefers a ring over a friend

And he’s also close friends w Kyle too anyways

[inhabitMiami]

You will get an FRP from the NYKs for Norm.

I would insist on Dragic, Precious, Nunn, Ariza and the 2025 for Lowry and Thomas.

Miami isn't going to trade Dragic. There's just no shot. He has a NTC and is best friends with Jimmy.

I think Jimmy prefers a ring over a friend

And he’s also close friends w Kyle too anyways

Keeping Dragic, who isn't even all that useful to Toronto, would go a long way towards getting that ring. Dragic was instrumental in Miami's playoff run last year. There's a way to make the deal work without involving Dragic and the Raptors don't even have a use for him. What's the point of including him in a deal?

[Tacoma]

Some of you guys are overvaluing our assets like Danny Ainge LOL.

I doubt we get Herro from Miami, maybe Achiuwa+filler.

I don't think Sixers trade Maxey. Might be Joe+1st+filler

If we somehow do get Herro from Miami or Maxey from Philly then you know we overachieved this trade deadline.

Maybe not. It looks like both PHI and MIA are looking to get Lowry and as much as you want him on your team you also don't want Lowry on that other team that you may face in the playoffs, which may be the case for PHI vs. MIA. This may lead to a bidding war and since Butler isn't getting any younger, Herro may become available.

[mtcan]

Clippers just traded Mifondu Kabengele to Sacramento for a future FRP...

Clips starting to gather assets for a trade????????

[Bruin]

Clippers just traded Mifondu Kabengele to Sacramento for a future FRP...

Clips starting to gather assets for a trade????????

They got a 2nd rounder. No way Kabengele would’ve been worth a 1st

[dgr81]

neither of the second round picks will convey according to woj.

clips were just looking to get under the hard cap.

[halifax]

Miami isn't going to trade Dragic. There's just no shot. He has a NTC and is best friends with Jimmy.

I think Jimmy prefers a ring over a friend

And he’s also close friends w Kyle too anyways

Keeping Dragic, who isn't even all that useful to Toronto, would go a long way towards getting that ring. Dragic was instrumental in Miami's playoff run last year. There's a way to make the deal work without involving Dragic and the Raptors don't even have a use for him. What's the point of including him in a deal?

raptors have better chance to re sign him, with dragic and a fresh start next season they are back to being contenders.

[RaptorPride]

Miami isn't going to trade Dragic. There's just no shot. He has a NTC and is best friends with Jimmy.

I think Jimmy prefers a ring over a friend

And he’s also close friends w Kyle too anyways

Keeping Dragic, who isn't even all that useful to Toronto, would go a long way towards getting that ring. Dragic was instrumental in Miami's playoff run last year. There's a way to make the deal work without involving Dragic and the Raptors don't even have a use for him. What's the point of including him in a deal?

What would you say is a realistic trade for Miami?

[inhabitMiami]

I think Jimmy prefers a ring over a friend

And he’s also close friends w Kyle too anyways

Keeping Dragic, who isn't even all that useful to Toronto, would go a long way towards getting that ring. Dragic was instrumental in Miami's playoff run last year. There's a way to make the deal work without involving Dragic and the Raptors don't even have a use for him. What's the point of including him in a deal?

What would you say is a realistic trade for Miami?

This is coming from a Heat fan, so let me know if I'm being bias, because I probably am:

Something like Herro, Precious, Kelly, Iggy, Harkless + 2025 pick (if MIA can get OKC to remove protections) for Lowry and Norm. I'm lower on Herro than most Heat fans, but I feel comfortable saying he's a better prospect than Toronto will find elsewhere, either from late first rounders or from Philly by way of prospects like Maxey and Thybulle. Precious is a pretty decent prospect, too.

Again, maybe I'm being way bias, and if I am -- definitely let me know lol

[RaptorPride]

Keeping Dragic, who isn't even all that useful to Toronto, would go a long way towards getting that ring. Dragic was instrumental in Miami's playoff run last year. There's a way to make the deal work without involving Dragic and the Raptors don't even have a use for him. What's the point of including him in a deal?

What would you say is a realistic trade for Miami?

This is coming from a Heat fan, so let me know if I'm being bias, because I probably am:

Something like Herro, Precious, Kelly, Iggy, Harkless + 2025 pick (if MIA can get OKC to remove protections) for Lowry and Norm. I'm lower on Herro than most Heat fans, but I feel comfortable saying he's a better prospect than Toronto will find elsewhere, either from late first rounders or from Philly by way of prospects like Maxey and Thybulle. Precious is a pretty decent prospect, too.

Again, maybe I'm being way bias, and if I am -- definitely let me know lol

What if we took Norm and the Miami pick off?
So Herro, Precious, Kelly, Iggy, Harkless for Lowry?

[inhabitMiami]

What would you say is a realistic trade for Miami?

This is coming from a Heat fan, so let me know if I'm being bias, because I probably am:

Something like Herro, Precious, Kelly, Iggy, Harkless + 2025 pick (if MIA can get OKC to remove protections) for Lowry and Norm. I'm lower on Herro than most Heat fans, but I feel comfortable saying he's a better prospect than Toronto will find elsewhere, either from late first rounders or from Philly by way of prospects like Maxey and Thybulle. Precious is a pretty decent prospect, too.

Again, maybe I'm being way bias, and if I am -- definitely let me know lol

What if we took Norm and the Miami pick off?
So Herro, Precious, Kelly, Iggy, Harkless for Lowry?

That's a lot. We'd basically be losing 3 heavy rotation players for 35 year old Lowry with no feasible way to replace them. I really don't think Riley would offer Herro for Lowry, but if Norm is included he'd throw his name in the trade. Just my own thoughts on the FO's thought process.

[RaptorPride]

This is coming from a Heat fan, so let me know if I'm being bias, because I probably am:

Something like Herro, Precious, Kelly, Iggy, Harkless + 2025 pick (if MIA can get OKC to remove protections) for Lowry and Norm. I'm lower on Herro than most Heat fans, but I feel comfortable saying he's a better prospect than Toronto will find elsewhere, either from late first rounders or from Philly by way of prospects like Maxey and Thybulle. Precious is a pretty decent prospect, too.

Again, maybe I'm being way bias, and if I am -- definitely let me know lol

What if we took Norm and the Miami pick off?
So Herro, Precious, Kelly, Iggy, Harkless for Lowry?

That's a lot. We'd basically be losing 3 heavy rotation players for 35 year old Lowry with no feasible way to replace them. I really don't think Riley would offer Herro for Lowry, but if Norm is included he'd throw his name in the trade. Just my own thoughts on the FO's thought process.

We could also give Terrence Davis but I don't think we would trade both Lowry and Powell together

[Rapsfan07]

I think Jimmy prefers a ring over a friend

And he’s also close friends w Kyle too anyways

Keeping Dragic, who isn't even all that useful to Toronto, would go a long way towards getting that ring. Dragic was instrumental in Miami's playoff run last year. There's a way to make the deal work without involving Dragic and the Raptors don't even have a use for him. What's the point of including him in a deal?

What would you say is a realistic trade for Miami?

There's many ways to get this done but if Miami wants to keep as much of it's depth as possible, I would trade Dragic.

Lowry > Dragic and if the Heat want to be contenders, they should look to re-sign Lowry to a team friendly deal. They also will need to pay Robinson and Nunn this offseason and I have to imagine they'd prefer to invest their limited dollars in those guys instead of picking up Dragic's $19M team option.

I've posted this a few times before but I think Lowry, Powell, Flynn for Dragic, Olynyk, Herro and Precious is fair for both sides. Then Miami can decide which of Robinson or Nunn they want to keep and flip the other for a backup big to solidify their rotation. They also have their 2025 pick that can be used as well.

Lowry/Powell/Butler/???/Bam
Flynn/Robinson or Nunn/Harkless/???/???

[inhabitMiami]

Keeping Dragic, who isn't even all that useful to Toronto, would go a long way towards getting that ring. Dragic was instrumental in Miami's playoff run last year. There's a way to make the deal work without involving Dragic and the Raptors don't even have a use for him. What's the point of including him in a deal?

What would you say is a realistic trade for Miami?

There's many ways to get this done but if Miami wants to keep as much of it's depth as possible, I would trade Dragic.

Lowry > Dragic and if the Heat want to be contenders, they should look to re-sign Lowry to a team friendly deal. They also will need to pay Robinson and Nunn this offseason and I have to imagine they'd prefer to invest their limited dollars in those guys instead of picking up Dragic's $19M team option.

I've posted this a few times before but I think Lowry, Powell, Flynn for Dragic, Olynyk, Herro and Precious is fair for both sides. Then Miami can decide which of Robinson or Nunn they want to keep and flip the other for a backup big to solidify their rotation. They also have their 2025 pick that can be used as well.

Lowry/Powell/Butler/???/Bam
Flynn/Robinson or Nunn/Harkless/???/???

I agree that the deal sounds fair, but from a fan and FO perspective, having Dragic back up Lowry (who is better than him, like you said) is a really big deal come playoff time. I think Miami would rather give up Iggy instead of Dragic, and I think the deal still works in that case. No idea if Dragic is a dealbreaker for Toronto or anything like that. I'd go as far as to say that they'd straight up rather give Iggy and Nunn than give up Dragic lol

Lowry/Powell/Jimmy/Ariza/Bam
Dragic/Duncan/??/Aldridge (potentially) is an attractive playoff rotation for the Heat. Again, idk how you guys or the Toronto FO would value Dragic or anything like that.

[billy_hoyle]

Holy hell do I disagree. This is a sellers market, and we have two teams that are rivals bidding against each other. Seriously, if you're Miami or Philly aren't you afraid the other team gets Kyle? Aren't you going to overpay a bit to make sure the other team--a team you more than likely will face in the playoffs!!!--won't get him?

Honestly we're sellers in a sellers market, with two buyers who hate each other and would hate for the other to get Lowry. So, with that, we should be asking for the moon because Philly/Miami should be willing to part with it.

Both these teams are legitimate EC finalists, especially when you add Lowry. Why wouldn't they mortgage some of their future for the chance at having Lowry for a couple years?

I'm with Jayhawk. I think this is a sellers market. What other player that's as impactful as Kyle is on the market? None

Would you guys take back the Kawhi trade just because he left? No of course not. And as he said, its likely not even a 1 year rental, Kyle likely re-signs using bird rights with either team. That's ~3 years of the toughest veteran PG on the market (in the league?) locked up for a few kicks at the can.

How is that not valuable?

It is a sellers market, but we don't want to push our luck here. Miami has been linked to Dipo and the last thing we need is for the Rockets to swoop in and sell Dipo at a modest price and then we're standing there with our dicks in our hand.

Precious, Herro and a 1st for an expiring Lowry is absolutely unreasonable and it would unwise of us to over play our hand here.

Chris Paul brought back Oubre, Rubio, two nobodies and a 1st. If you can get a package of Herro, Precious, Dragic and Olynyk for Lowry, Powell and Flynn, I'd call that square.

Ya. I get what you are saying, Dipo is an alternative. I just think there are 2 teams that definitely want him, and the bidding increases offers. Paul is older than Lowry right? And as much as most people agree that he's the better player, I'd personally rather have Lowry in a playoff series, and Paul makes more.