Marc Stein: Toronto has expressed interest in Ben Simmons

[djsunyc]

if we get Simmons , the idea should be to have him playing with FVV, OG and Pascal. It would be pointless otherwise.

yes.

folks willing to give up picks with pascal? that's just plain stupid. not even dumb...just stupid.

if anything, i would be willing to listen for fred + boucher + future 1st and then we re-sign kyle.

you take pascal out and put simmons in...we may not even make the playoffs next year.

[WigginsNation]

Toronto gets #3 pick
Cavs get Ben Simmons
76ers get Pascal

With other pieces involved to make salaries work

[Grew]

Highly doubt Masai is talking about trading Pascal or #4. This would be some type of Kyle sign and trade with future picks, maybe sign and trade GTJ aswell, not sure how it would work money wise but that's not my job.

The goal would probably be something like Fred/Suggs/OG/Pascal/Simmons. Unreal versatility and defense, we just would need some shooters and a true big to fill out the rotations.

I don't see Masai trading a core piece, he would want to add Simmons to the core, not arbitrarily exchange him with Pascal. If he can't get it done, then it doesn't happen.

On paper it looks good but the scoring is a concern. Also idk if Simmons could actually play the 5. I see him as a 4

Yea I see Simmons as a 4 too, but we love playing small ball, with OG and pascal making things switchable I think he could start at 5 if we had a decent true big off the bench to throw in there from time to time. That lineup might not have a lot of shooting, but it has a lot of playmaking, if we could get a few shooters off the bench we would always have someone on the court who can get them decent looks. Might be one of those teams with a different finishing lineup every night depending on matchups and who's hot.

Also if we could get Simmons while keeping our core, we would have upgraded our assets big time imo, so we would have a lot of trade options if things didn't work out. I think Simmons value will go back to where it once was once teams realize what he can do playing off guards like Fred and Suggs, without Embiid taking up his space.

[Grew]

Highly doubt Masai is talking about trading Pascal or #4. This would be some type of Kyle sign and trade with future picks, maybe sign and trade GTJ aswell, not sure how it would work money wise but that's not my job.

The goal would probably be something like Fred/Suggs/OG/Pascal/Simmons. Unreal versatility and defense, we just would need some shooters and a true big to fill out the rotations.

I don't see Masai trading a core piece, he would want to add Simmons to the core, not arbitrarily exchange him with Pascal. If he can't get it done, then it doesn't happen.

This exactly. Its the only way the trade would make sense on our end. Siakam for Simmons swap doesn’t do anything to help us.

I’d be skeptical about throwing Gary Trent in as well.

I'd like to keep Trent too, but if he and Kyle can somehow get us Simmons I would probably have to pull the trigger and look to replace his shooting with min contract guys, undrafted players or one of our later picks.

[metafisical]

Giving up a pick to obtain Simmons? What? Our core players are all productive playoff performers. Simmons is a playoff no-show. If anything, Simmons should come to us with picks, not us sending out picks.

I am hoping for some kind of 3-way between Philly, Toronto and GS, involving Simmons, Lowry, Wiggins and many unprotected firsts.

[mtcan]

If the trade is a Pascal for Simmons...sorry Philly...it's you that needs to give up more to get rid of Simmons. Pascal or Simmons? I'd rather have Pascal. Pascal is clearly the better of the two players. The only picks exchanged are those that Philly needs to give up in order to get rid of Simmons.

[TOStateofMind]

If people are harsh on pascal, I can only imagine what y’all will do with ben freaking Simmons. Especially if he pulled these no shows like he did in the playoffs

[agkagk]

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Still people are crazy if they think Siakam is worth more than Simmons.

Ben is a slightly better defender than pascal.


Pascal is a much better offensive player than Ben.


Doubt Ben is worth more atm.

[C_Money]

I’m not even worried anymore. I don’t think Masai is stupid enough to go all in for Ben Simmons of all people.

[Jcity08]

If people are harsh on pascal, I can only imagine what y’all will do with ben freaking Simmons. Especially if he pulled these no shows like he did in the playoffs

All the hate with Delon Wright being scared to shoot a 3, Derozan not taking his game outside, Siakams inconsistency shooting.

Simmons is 1000x worse in that aspect than any of them.

The same people wanting Simmons will be the first to make threads **** on him for choking in the playoffs.

[Dennis 37]

I'd rather not involve the #4 pick.

They want an All Star caliber player, not a potential All Star caliber payer.

[Dennis 37]

Highly doubt Masai is talking about trading Pascal or #4. This would be some type of Kyle sign and trade with future picks, maybe sign and trade GTJ aswell, not sure how it would work money wise but that's not my job.

The goal would probably be something like Fred/Suggs/OG/Pascal/Simmons. Unreal versatility and defense, we just would need some shooters and a true big to fill out the rotations.

I don't see Masai trading a core piece, he would want to add Simmons to the core, not arbitrarily exchange him with Pascal. If he can't get it done, then it doesn't happen.

This exactly. Its the only way the trade would make sense on our end. Siakam for Simmons swap doesn’t do anything to help us.

I’d be skeptical about throwing Gary Trent in as well.

I'd like to keep Trent too, but if he and Kyle can somehow get us Simmons I would probably have to pull the trigger and look to replace his shooting with min contract guys, undrafted players or one of our later picks.

I was so disappointed DeAndre Daniels didn't work out, although we will soon have his former coach, so there still is a connection. If Trent Jr's position on the Raptors looks solid I planned on getting a Trent Jr #37 jersey. How often will the Raptors have the 37th overall pick? But, yes, if Kyle plus Gary yields Simmons, I could live with a second disappointment.

[Morse Code]

I’m absolutely shocked so many of you are interested in him. Not just the player but the contract too, no fk’n way.

[phanman]

If people are harsh on pascal, I can only imagine what y’all will do with ben freaking Simmons. Especially if he pulled these no shows like he did in the playoffs

All the hate with Delon Wright being scared to shoot a 3, Derozan not taking his game outside, Siakams inconsistency shooting.

Simmons is 1000x worse in that aspect than any of them.

The same people wanting Simmons will be the first to make threads **** on him for choking in the playoffs.

I think most of us are just trying to get Simmons at the cost of Lowry + possibly Trent

[mtcan]

Toronto gets #3 pick
Cavs get Ben Simmons
76ers get Pascal

With other pieces involved to make salaries work

Where do I sign?

I assume Toronto has to swallow Kevin Love's salary...but for the #3 pick...I'd do it!!!

[WigginsNation]

Toronto gets #3 pick
Cavs get Ben Simmons
76ers get Pascal

With other pieces involved to make salaries work

Where do I sign?

I assume Toronto has to swallow Kevin Love's salary...but for the #3 pick...I'd do it!!!

We could then draft both Mobley and Suggs and build a championship calibre team.

[TheRealDeal]

What could Philly include to make including Siakam potentially worth it for us?

[mtcan]

What could Philly include to make including Siakam potentially worth it for us?

Turn it into a 3 way trade that lands us an additional lottery pick.

[pingpongrac]

1) No one has been traded, so we don't know "they're clearly trying" anything. These are called rumors.
2) Siakam has been in trade rumors for draft picks, so is he clearly useless too?
3) We're really going to judge a guy off one play? How about Siakam disappearing for an entire 7 game series last year and being afraid to shoot?
4) Saying SIakam has a more complete game than SImmons is just semantics. He has a jump shot more than him and that's it. In no other area is he superior except in maybe arguing with his coach and tripping opponents.

1) so I guess you didn’t see they’ve opened up trade talks for Simmons
2) Siakam is involved because other teams want him. No rumors stating Raptors want to move him or are even open to it
3) even disregarding that 1 play, Simmons has failed in just about every playoff run and was horrendous the entire series
Siakam struggled as a 1st option, Simmons is basically 3rd option after Harris and still struggled
4) so a jump shot is something small? The gap in Simmons shot vs Siakam shot is larger than the gap in anything else between the two of them combined. Siakam is a good defender in his own right and has actually proven to be a great 2nd option in the playoffs. Something Simmons can’t even do as the 3rd (or even 4th with Seth Curry)

Simmons is a very flawed player so his value reflects that

Masai and Bobby came out and said that? Funny, I thought it was some Twitter account not affiliated with the team.

And Simmons is not involved cause team's want him? That's the most circular logic I've ever read.

Siakam struggled only because he was a first option? Ok, then why couldn't he still provide anything at all when we were forced to turn to other guys like Powell, Fred, and Lowry midway through the series? He couldn't even hit open corner threes by that point.

SIakam is a good defender. He's not an elite defender. I'm still waiting to hear what he's elite at. A jumpshot would be a much bigger deal if Pascal were actually good at it. He shot 29% from three last year. He's good on undefended catches, worse off the dribble.

I have no idea why everyone keeps saying that Siakam shot 29% from three when he actually shot 30% (or 29.7% if you're not rounding). Small difference, but are you saying 29% to make Siakam look even worse to push your narrative? Siakam struggled against the Celtics obviously. Just because Powell averaged 11.3 FGA, Lowry averaged 14.3 FGA and FVV averaged 18.7 FGA the last 3 games doesn't mean Siakam still wasn't being defended like the 1st option that entire Celtics series though.

And yes, reports stating that the Sixers are opening up trade talks on Simmons and reports that the Warriors are interested in acquiring Siakam are two different things. While teams are obviously interested in Simmons, it seems clear that the Sixers are also considering moving on while there have been absolutely 0 reports stating that Siakam is being shopped around by Toronto.

Simmons being elite at a few things doesn't mean he is better than Siakam. The most important thing in the NBA in this day in age is shooting and Simmons is arguably one of the most unwilling shooters in the league. In the 20/21 season, Simmons was 68/176 (38.6%) on FGA outside of 5 feet whereas Siakam converted more FG outside of 5 feet (217) than Simmons even attempted for the whole year. Simmons just completely wrecks the spacing on offence and he's unplayable late in games because he is also a terrible FT shooter. One down year from Siakam shouldn't dispel the fact that he is a pretty solid shooter for someone his size (34.3% on 4.2 3pt attempts the last 3 seasons while being an 80% FT shooter on 4.6 attempts).

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[JB7]

With Pascal's name out there in trade rumors it would make sense that he is the one targeted by Philly.

With Raptors most likely drafting Suggs at 4, it would make sense to include Lowry in the deal (he gets paid, gets to go home and compete for a championship - his priorities probably in order).

For Philly, getting both Siakam and Lowry looks like a justified return for Simmons. They probably won't be able to resign Green (don't have his bird rights and can only offer what every other team can, MLE) so giving Lowry $20M will fit financially. Siakam also is able to replace a lot of what they would lose in moving Simmons (size, rebounding, defense, ball handling) not to the same level as Simmons, but at least PS can shoot, which means he can compliment Embiid.

For the Raptors, Simmons would most likely become the primary ball handler, surrounded with shooters (FVV, OG, GTJ) and another creator from the perimeter in Suggs, which would be the perfect fit for his game.

Question for the Raptors is because Simmons value has plunged so much, what does Philly need to add to that deal in terms of future prospects/picks?

But a future core of PF - Simmons (25), SF - OG (23), SG - GTJ (22) and PG - Suggs (19) looks pretty strong. And you have FVV as the vet to compliment this core.