PG: Leagues most selfish team loses again

[seanbig]

Fuuucccc the offense

We lost cuz we couldn’t stop Adams or hackson junior

WE MAY NEVER WIN ANOTHER GAME IN TO

It’s ok…race for bottom 3

[WaltFrazier]

I don’t know how much of it is selfishness versus how much is that the offense isn’t designed to move the ball that well. Guys like Pascal and Fred are getting a bad rap but the shot distribution really isn’t that bad to me. Add that to the injuries and guys just underperforming and you have a sub-.500 team.

Unfortunately it looks like this might end up being another stealth tank season, which, ugh. Long term that might be really good. There’s just simply too much talent on this team to be this bad, and adding another decent prospect to this and you’ve really got something. Before they have any success, Barnes either has to turn into a superstar or Nurse has to change the offense in some manner. This offense is what we ran with Kawhi, and it isn’t working because we don’t have a Kawhi.

It isn't working because Precious Achiuwa + Injured Khem Birch does not equal pre-washed Marc Gasol + Serge Ibaka.

Even Gasol and Ibaka right now would be better.

[Dennis 37]

I’m not saying I’m ringing the doorbell at the tWo clubhouse, but Paolo Banchero looking like a sure fire future superstar.

Not only that, he's got the perfect name for when a Raptor is ignored for some NBA honour.

[Boogie!]

This is a rebuild, why is everyone upset lol

Because it's just ugly basketball... if you're gonna lose, do it playing the right way. This team just looks lost and for all the talk about being well coached, they play like a team that isn't being coached at all...

[Inklink]

Brooks thinks he's a superstar or something??

[Boogie!]

Fuuucccc the offense

We lost cuz we couldn’t stop Adams or hackson junior

WE MAY NEVER WIN ANOTHER GAME IN TO

It’s ok…race for bottom 3

Memphis was shooting in the 30s for most of the game. Our offenseis trash

This is exactly what's annoying about this team right now. Everything is sefenae this defense that like the offense will take care or itself. No. Coach some fuclint offense.

[DelAbbot]

To me, the problem is pretty clear. FVV and Pascal, proven complimentary players, are miscast as primary guys, and the pieces around them just don't offer enough support to make up for this gap, either due to youth or just generally underperforming (e.g. Boucher). It's a weird roster, with two different timelines that just don't work together, on court or philosophically imo.

Next season we will basically have the same roster (replace Boucher's 7M with the 2022 lotto pick cap hit), and even with Dragic 19M off the books we will be only 4M under the cap (115M).

How can this roster be much better next year?

Barnes can improve a lot sure, but relying on Achiuwa and Flynn?

[vulture]

Lol at people here blaming pascal and Fred when they are playing with gleague lineups and are expected to carry them. No shooting and rim protection either.

Siakam was a huge ball stopper tonight. Yeah he got his stats but it takes everybody else out of the game. When his shot is going in like it was in the 4th quarter it looks nice, but when it’s not going in like the first half then it stalls the offence and kills momentum and morale.

He’s basically the only guy who can create and draw some kind of double team. Where is the offense coming from?
He actually moved the ball and guys couldn’t make a 3.

This team is not expected to win right now so adjust your expectations.

[WaltFrazier]

To me, the problem is pretty clear. FVV and Pascal, proven complimentary players, are miscast as primary guys, and the pieces around them just don't offer enough support to make up for this gap, either due to youth or just generally underperforming (e.g. Boucher). It's a weird roster, with two different timelines that just don't work together, on court or philosophically imo.

Next season we will basically have the same roster (replace Boucher's 7M with the 2022 lotto pick cap hit), and even with Dragic 19M off the books we will be only 4M under the cap (115M).

How can this roster be much better next year?

Barnes can improve a lot sure, but relying on Achiuwa and Flynn?

That's what I don't get about pro tankers, and those who say it's a development year. There is not much ray of hope in sight because we have so many flawed players, no matter how much Barnes improves.

[DelAbbot]

To me, the problem is pretty clear. FVV and Pascal, proven complimentary players, are miscast as primary guys, and the pieces around them just don't offer enough support to make up for this gap, either due to youth or just generally underperforming (e.g. Boucher). It's a weird roster, with two different timelines that just don't work together, on court or philosophically imo.

Next season we will basically have the same roster (replace Boucher's 7M with the 2022 lotto pick cap hit), and even with Dragic 19M off the books we will be only 4M under the cap (115M).

How can this roster be much better next year?

Barnes can improve a lot sure, but relying on Achiuwa and Flynn?

That's what I don't get about pro tankers, and those who say it's a development year. There is not much ray of hope in sight because we have so many flawed players, no matter how much Barnes improves.

what is your suggestion to resolve this?

[Dennis 37]

fred took 3 ppl on when he had scottie open under the basket, take that in

He does that when fatigued or pissed off that the team is losing. He needs his minutes reduced and told that win or lose, no hero ball. Hero ball does not win games anyway.

I do have sympathy for Fred.

[Boogie!]

Again and I repeat who tf do you want them to pass to? This team has 3 nba players on it right now fvv siakam and Barnes that’s it. Everyone else just isn’t that good. Wtf do y’all expect??


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Nobody looks good when teams don’t pass. Did all these guys who could shoot the ball before just randomly regress or maybe it’s that shooters make shots when they’re in rhythm and rhythm comes with ball movement?

These arguments always come from people who are too heavily invested in mediocre players like they feel the need to find any means to defend them.

The warriors are 17-2... the last I checked they didn't have 10 all stars... Kevin looney, chiozza, Toscano, Gary Payton, bjelica, kuminga...


This is not world beating ben h talent. I dont even know who half those guys are... They also won the Detroit game without Curry playing... meanwhile we lost to Detroit playing our "best player" 40 mins... this team is garbage, and your favorite favorite are overrated. People need to get over it if they scrually care to see this team winning.

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[vulture]

To me, the problem is pretty clear. FVV and Pascal, proven complimentary players, are miscast as primary guys, and the pieces around them just don't offer enough support to make up for this gap, either due to youth or just generally underperforming (e.g. Boucher). It's a weird roster, with two different timelines that just don't work together, on court or philosophically imo.

Next season we will basically have the same roster (replace Boucher's 7M with the 2022 lotto pick cap hit), and even with Dragic 19M off the books we will be only 4M under the cap (115M).

How can this roster be much better next year?

Barnes can improve a lot sure, but relying on Achiuwa and Flynn?

That's what I don't get about pro tankers, and those who say it's a development year. There is not much ray of hope in sight because we have so many flawed players, no matter how much Barnes improves.

This is a rebuild but no one wants to say that. We had 8 years of success and now we get to see the other side.

[WuTang_CMB]

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Alex will help him

[Chandan]

To me, the problem is pretty clear. FVV and Pascal, proven complimentary players, are miscast as primary guys, and the pieces around them just don't offer enough support to make up for this gap, either due to youth or just generally underperforming (e.g. Boucher). It's a weird roster, with two different timelines that just don't work together, on court or philosophically imo.

Next season we will basically have the same roster (replace Boucher's 7M with the 2022 lotto pick cap hit), and even with Dragic 19M off the books we will be only 4M under the cap (115M).

How can this roster be much better next year?

Barnes can improve a lot sure, but relying on Achiuwa and Flynn?

Worse part is that its cascading.

If trent performs he would expect a big pay day or decide to walk. From masai's track record he is going to overpay him and lock him into a starting role. Its could be a contract that hamstrings the franchise for years to come.

[pingpongrac]

Again and I repeat who tf do you want them to pass to? This team has 3 nba players on it right now fvv siakam and Barnes that’s it. Everyone else just isn’t that good. Wtf do y’all expect??


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I don't know how so many people are failing to recognize that our offensive struggles are due to 3 of our top 6/7 offensive (and overall) players being out lately. There is a reason our offence looks so trash -- and it's not because of FVV, Siakam or Scottie. Those three have scored 180 of our 283 points on 57 TS% in the last three games while the rest of the team has combined for 103 points on 39 TS%. The trio of FVV/Siakam/Scottie also has 34 of our 50 assists. The only downside has been the combined 23 TOV, but the rest of the team also has 15 TOV despite being on the floor significantly less and having a lot less responsibility. We're losing because our bench (and Achiuwa) have been brutal on the offensive end.

We need OG and GTJ to push players like Svi back to 10-15 MPG with ~5 FGA (rather than 25 MPG and 10 FGA/game) and Flynn/Banton back to a combined ~20 MPG with 5-7 FGA (rather than ~30 MPG and 10 FGA). We also need Birch back so Achiuwa can go back to playing 20-25 MPG rather than 33 MPG. Yuta can be a key bench piece, but he shouldn't be playing 30 minutes in any game we're trying to win.

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[mrdressup]

This is a developmental year and they were missing 3 starters. If you re-adjust your expectations, you're able to see the big picture a little more clearly - Barnes is playing like he has superstar potential and that's a lot more important than any wins they get this season.

Development time = burning/wasting time at this point. Development implies progression, and not just on the individual level. Our coaching staff has been exposed it seems. Progress does not look possible right now. The team concept is melting away and selfishness is growing in response to it. Guys are trying to single handedly change the team's fortunes. I think it would be correct to state that the players are the ones who are losing patience with the opportunities they are generating. They need to trust the concept of playing for each other. Most fans recognize that is not happening. The expectation is probably that we would be inconsistent, but that we would fight hard and play sound ball AND benefit from playing at home after bitching about it for so long. Those are not unrealistic expectations. In terms of wins and losses, we have more wins now than I thought we would have, but we have been much worse than expected in many other areas. Something is not gelling or there is no buy-in by our leaders. Fans are legitimately disappointed in the product which is not very entertaining.

[WaltFrazier]

Next season we will basically have the same roster (replace Boucher's 7M with the 2022 lotto pick cap hit), and even with Dragic 19M off the books we will be only 4M under the cap (115M).

How can this roster be much better next year?

Barnes can improve a lot sure, but relying on Achiuwa and Flynn?

That's what I don't get about pro tankers, and those who say it's a development year. There is not much ray of hope in sight because we have so many flawed players, no matter how much Barnes improves.

what is your suggestion to resolve this?

For a start, shore up the roster imbalance by getting a center. Trade Dragic and Boucher for someone who can play. It's hard to say what else until and if we ever get everyone healthy together. If we do, play a center on court almost all the time, and go longer at the 2/3/4 with Pascal, OG, Barnes and Yuta more.

[Chandan]

Next season we will basically have the same roster (replace Boucher's 7M with the 2022 lotto pick cap hit), and even with Dragic 19M off the books we will be only 4M under the cap (115M).

How can this roster be much better next year?

Barnes can improve a lot sure, but relying on Achiuwa and Flynn?

That's what I don't get about pro tankers, and those who say it's a development year. There is not much ray of hope in sight because we have so many flawed players, no matter how much Barnes improves.

This is a rebuild but no one wants to say that. We had 8 years of success and now we get to see the other side.

Lebronto and getting swept by the wizards werent exactly success IMO. You can think fondly of those years if u enjoy regular season wins. But we werent ever contenders in anyones eyes until kawhi fell onto our laps.