canz55 wrote:Serge post championship season before and during the bubble was excellent.kj_ wrote:canz55 wrote:He's such an average player.
When you compare him to Serge which was a brilliant trade at the time. A frontcourt player who can break open a zone with a reliable mid range jumper with defense and rebounding etc. And all we had to give up was Ross.
Turner on the other hand will cost more than Serge did while providing much less value.
Hard no for me.
Turner can do those same things Serge did in the mid range while also shooting better from 3.
Serge in the championship season:
Shooting % from 10f-3pt : 50%
Turner this season:
Shooting % from 10f-3pt : 55%
Albeit Serge has a higher volume of his shots coming from here. 30% compared to 10% for turner.
Serge in the championship season:
3p% - 29%
Turner this season:
3pt% - 34%
Turner has a higher volume of his shots from here than Serge did. 47% compared to only 19% for Serge.
So this notion that Serge is a zone busting floor spacer while turner is only average at it appears to not bear out with a look at the numbers.
The reason turner would be such a good fit here is that he can be that release value in the mid range and bring the opposing big away from the rim which has been lacking since Serge left.
The argument that the cost will be greater is real. Some context… Serge was playing poorly in Orlando as one of the offensive focal points and was seen as a big negative value contract. Ross still had the “potential” tag attached to him. It still required a first to be attached by the raps to get it done. GTJ and a first is not all that different. If Masai believes that filling the Serge hole can propel this team forward, he will do it.
Personally, I would rather not include the first, but if I had to I would.
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Let's not pretend that Turner is as skilled as Ibaka, it's not even close.
I might have overstated Turner's lack of value on offense a tad but he's just not a very skilled player apart from blocking shots and making the occasional open three.
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Offensively Turner can do the same things Serge did. PnPop. Space the floor to the 3 point line pulling the opposing big from the rim. There is no denying that and the numbers support it.
Defensively… both are excellent help defenders offering rim protection. Again, no denying that.
Post defence… neither were/are great but the raps send help to assist here. Again, no big difference between them.
The only place where a noticeable gap exists is switching and guarding in space. Serge could hold his own most of the time, I can’t say the same for Turner. He’s not horrible, but serge has the edge here, IMO.
This big skill difference you speak of doesn’t exist. They do many of the same things at about the same level when comparing serge’s best raptor years with present day Turner.
If you see it differently, show it. Just stating their skill level is different “and it’s not close” isn’t showing anything.
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