[Windhorst] Pascal Siakam Potentially Could Be Available For The Right Trade

[Dude-niagara]

When they traded Ellis, Curry was shut down while they tanked. iirc Bogut was also out for the year at that point. Might have been to just change the tone from soft offense to defense and give rookie Klay some more touches. That was when Mark Jackson took over and was trying to turn them into a defensive oriented team.

Doesn't seem like Masai's MO at all, if you look at his history of building winners. Every name he's traded was for an upgrade in talent, from Ross to JV to DeMar. I guess we would be surprised if he traded Pascal for a downgrade, because he's never done something like that.

We see those type of moves all of time. A team will move a veteran player to get the ball in the hands of a high potential young player. I’m not saying that we absolutely have to or we should, just that it’s a possibility.

I’d say that the JV trade is a good example of downgrade from a talent and youth stand point for fit and defence. JV just had a monster year with the Pelicans and Gasol is retired. I still loved that trade at the time because even though Gasol’s shelf life was limited he just added a needed dimension that JV didn’t provide.

Another thing that people forget during that Warriors season was the following:

1) Monte made it known that a back court of him and Curry wasn't going to work and let's face it two 6'3 guys who are known for offense wasn't going to work. The Bucks had the choice between those 2 and chose Ellis. To be fair Curry's ankles were a huge issue and the fact that he got a 2nd contract at the time was seen as a win-win. Curry overcame those problems and became the GOAT 3pt shooter and 1st ballot hall of famer
2) Bogut post-injury added an extra dimension as a facilitator in the offensive half court set not to mention he was a great defensive anchor. He took Draymond Green under his wing and Dray made it known that Bogut helped him learn a lot of stuff that made it possible for not only him to thrive but also the Warriors. Dray became a pest that learned from Andrew on how to push your luck and see what you can get away with and made him a far more lethal weapon.
3) The Warriors in 2012 owed a 1st round pick to the Jazz that was top 7 pro. and then unprotected in 2013 thanks to the Deron Williams trade. Warriors tanked and were able to keep it which became Harrison Barnes while the 2013 1st eventually became Gorgui Dieng so it was a win I suppose.

Honestly the Raptors should think long and hard about what they want going forward, but I wouldn't hesitate to move Siakam for the right package although anybody thinking a Kawhi Leonard style package will happen will be disappointed.

The reality is Siakam as a top option is not taking any further than DD. Masai is a very smart man and he talks up his players as much as he can to make sure other GM's know he is not interested in just giving them away. So for the right return I would absolutely consider trading Siakam only because I believe he and Scottie are overlaps and that would mean one of the two sacrificing. This does not mean I don't believe Siakam is a very good player it just means I don't want to see Scottie hanging out at the 3 point line while Siakam has the ball in his hands most of the game. People pushing this Siakam/Barnes chemistry are hardcore Siakam fanboys and fully understand that if one had to be traded it most likely would be Siakam.When you look at when Barnes was putting up his best stats and was getting consistent attempts on nightly basis it was when Siakam was out. That is because OG is not a ballhog or ball dominant and is better then Siakam as a catch and shoot player. That means the ball is in Barnes's more often


Just look at this past series with 76ers, in the two most important games of the series games 2 & 3 he was mediocre in game 2 and completely **** the bed in game 3. Who cares he decides to play when your down 0-3 in the series and 76ers begin to let up. He is a very good 2A or 2B option on a title contending team but your not going with Siakam as your top option.

[Appostis]

We see those type of moves all of time. A team will move a veteran player to get the ball in the hands of a high potential young player. I’m not saying that we absolutely have to or we should, just that it’s a possibility.

I’d say that the JV trade is a good example of downgrade from a talent and youth stand point for fit and defence. JV just had a monster year with the Pelicans and Gasol is retired. I still loved that trade at the time because even though Gasol’s shelf life was limited he just added a needed dimension that JV didn’t provide.

Another thing that people forget during that Warriors season was the following:

1) Monte made it known that a back court of him and Curry wasn't going to work and let's face it two 6'3 guys who are known for offense wasn't going to work. The Bucks had the choice between those 2 and chose Ellis. To be fair Curry's ankles were a huge issue and the fact that he got a 2nd contract at the time was seen as a win-win. Curry overcame those problems and became the GOAT 3pt shooter and 1st ballot hall of famer
2) Bogut post-injury added an extra dimension as a facilitator in the offensive half court set not to mention he was a great defensive anchor. He took Draymond Green under his wing and Dray made it known that Bogut helped him learn a lot of stuff that made it possible for not only him to thrive but also the Warriors. Dray became a pest that learned from Andrew on how to push your luck and see what you can get away with and made him a far more lethal weapon.
3) The Warriors in 2012 owed a 1st round pick to the Jazz that was top 7 pro. and then unprotected in 2013 thanks to the Deron Williams trade. Warriors tanked and were able to keep it which became Harrison Barnes while the 2013 1st eventually became Gorgui Dieng so it was a win I suppose.

Honestly the Raptors should think long and hard about what they want going forward, but I wouldn't hesitate to move Siakam for the right package although anybody thinking a Kawhi Leonard style package will happen will be disappointed.

The reality is Siakam as a top option is not taking any further than DD. Masai is a very smart man and he talks up his players as much as he can to make sure other GM's know he is not interested in just giving them away. So for the right return I would absolutely consider trading Siakam only because I believe he and Scottie are overlaps and that would mean one of the two sacrificing. This does not mean I don't believe Siakam is a very good player it just means I don't want to see Scottie hanging out at the 3 point line while Siakam has the ball in his hands most of the game. People pushing this Siakam/Barnes chemistry are hardcore Siakam fanboys and fully understand that if one had to be traded it most likely would be Siakam.When you look at when Barnes was putting up his best stats and was getting consistent attempts on nightly basis it was when Siakam was out. That is because OG is not a ballhog or ball dominant and is better then Siakam as a catch and shoot player. That means the ball is in Barnes's more often


Just look at this past series with 76ers, in the two most important games of the series games 2 & 3 he was mediocre in game 2 and completely **** the bed in game 3. Who cares he decides to play when your down 0-3 in the series and 76ers begin to let up. He is a very good 2A or 2B option on a title contending team but your not going with Siakam as your top option.

Pascal wasit the issue...

[Grindhouse]

We see those type of moves all of time. A team will move a veteran player to get the ball in the hands of a high potential young player. I’m not saying that we absolutely have to or we should, just that it’s a possibility.

I’d say that the JV trade is a good example of downgrade from a talent and youth stand point for fit and defence. JV just had a monster year with the Pelicans and Gasol is retired. I still loved that trade at the time because even though Gasol’s shelf life was limited he just added a needed dimension that JV didn’t provide.

Another thing that people forget during that Warriors season was the following:

1) Monte made it known that a back court of him and Curry wasn't going to work and let's face it two 6'3 guys who are known for offense wasn't going to work. The Bucks had the choice between those 2 and chose Ellis. To be fair Curry's ankles were a huge issue and the fact that he got a 2nd contract at the time was seen as a win-win. Curry overcame those problems and became the GOAT 3pt shooter and 1st ballot hall of famer
2) Bogut post-injury added an extra dimension as a facilitator in the offensive half court set not to mention he was a great defensive anchor. He took Draymond Green under his wing and Dray made it known that Bogut helped him learn a lot of stuff that made it possible for not only him to thrive but also the Warriors. Dray became a pest that learned from Andrew on how to push your luck and see what you can get away with and made him a far more lethal weapon.
3) The Warriors in 2012 owed a 1st round pick to the Jazz that was top 7 pro. and then unprotected in 2013 thanks to the Deron Williams trade. Warriors tanked and were able to keep it which became Harrison Barnes while the 2013 1st eventually became Gorgui Dieng so it was a win I suppose.

Honestly the Raptors should think long and hard about what they want going forward, but I wouldn't hesitate to move Siakam for the right package although anybody thinking a Kawhi Leonard style package will happen will be disappointed.

The reality is Siakam as a top option is not taking any further than DD. Masai is a very smart man and he talks up his players as much as he can to make sure other GM's know he is not interested in just giving them away. So for the right return I would absolutely consider trading Siakam only because I believe he and Scottie are overlaps and that would mean one of the two sacrificing. This does not mean I don't believe Siakam is a very good player it just means I don't want to see Scottie hanging out at the 3 point line while Siakam has the ball in his hands most of the game. People pushing this Siakam/Barnes chemistry are hardcore Siakam fanboys and fully understand that if one had to be traded it most likely would be Siakam.When you look at when Barnes was putting up his best stats and was getting consistent attempts on nightly basis it was when Siakam was out. That is because OG is not a ballhog or ball dominant and is better then Siakam as a catch and shoot player. That means the ball is in Barnes's more often


Just look at this past series with 76ers, in the two most important games of the series games 2 & 3 he was mediocre in game 2 and completely **** the bed in game 3. Who cares he decides to play when your down 0-3 in the series and 76ers begin to let up. He is a very good 2A or 2B option on a title contending team but your not going with Siakam as your top option.

i agree for the most part. barnes is the future and i don’t see pascal giving up his touches easily. i wouldn’t mind seeing barnes pascal and gobert as our core. defensively that would be hard to get through. Not a fan of OG game

[KrazyP]

We see those type of moves all of time. A team will move a veteran player to get the ball in the hands of a high potential young player. I’m not saying that we absolutely have to or we should, just that it’s a possibility.

I’d say that the JV trade is a good example of downgrade from a talent and youth stand point for fit and defence. JV just had a monster year with the Pelicans and Gasol is retired. I still loved that trade at the time because even though Gasol’s shelf life was limited he just added a needed dimension that JV didn’t provide.

Another thing that people forget during that Warriors season was the following:

1) Monte made it known that a back court of him and Curry wasn't going to work and let's face it two 6'3 guys who are known for offense wasn't going to work. The Bucks had the choice between those 2 and chose Ellis. To be fair Curry's ankles were a huge issue and the fact that he got a 2nd contract at the time was seen as a win-win. Curry overcame those problems and became the GOAT 3pt shooter and 1st ballot hall of famer
2) Bogut post-injury added an extra dimension as a facilitator in the offensive half court set not to mention he was a great defensive anchor. He took Draymond Green under his wing and Dray made it known that Bogut helped him learn a lot of stuff that made it possible for not only him to thrive but also the Warriors. Dray became a pest that learned from Andrew on how to push your luck and see what you can get away with and made him a far more lethal weapon.
3) The Warriors in 2012 owed a 1st round pick to the Jazz that was top 7 pro. and then unprotected in 2013 thanks to the Deron Williams trade. Warriors tanked and were able to keep it which became Harrison Barnes while the 2013 1st eventually became Gorgui Dieng so it was a win I suppose.

Honestly the Raptors should think long and hard about what they want going forward, but I wouldn't hesitate to move Siakam for the right package although anybody thinking a Kawhi Leonard style package will happen will be disappointed.

The reality is Siakam as a top option is not taking any further than DD. Masai is a very smart man and he talks up his players as much as he can to make sure other GM's know he is not interested in just giving them away. So for the right return I would absolutely consider trading Siakam only because I believe he and Scottie are overlaps and that would mean one of the two sacrificing. This does not mean I don't believe Siakam is a very good player it just means I don't want to see Scottie hanging out at the 3 point line while Siakam has the ball in his hands most of the game. People pushing this Siakam/Barnes chemistry are hardcore Siakam fanboys and fully understand that if one had to be traded it most likely would be Siakam.When you look at when Barnes was putting up his best stats and was getting consistent attempts on nightly basis it was when Siakam was out. That is because OG is not a ballhog or ball dominant and is better then Siakam as a catch and shoot player. That means the ball is in Barnes's more often


Just look at this past series with 76ers, in the two most important games of the series games 2 & 3 he was mediocre in game 2 and completely **** the bed in game 3. Who cares he decides to play when your down 0-3 in the series and 76ers begin to let up. He is a very good 2A or 2B option on a title contending team but your not going with Siakam as your top option.

Siakam was the 2nd scorer on a championship team. Now that he's actually gotten better he can no longer be part of a championship team. Got it.

[OhCanada1091]

People here are nuts. Let the team develop. Sit back and enjoy.

[Dennis 37]

We see those type of moves all of time. A team will move a veteran player to get the ball in the hands of a high potential young player. I’m not saying that we absolutely have to or we should, just that it’s a possibility.

I’d say that the JV trade is a good example of downgrade from a talent and youth stand point for fit and defence. JV just had a monster year with the Pelicans and Gasol is retired. I still loved that trade at the time because even though Gasol’s shelf life was limited he just added a needed dimension that JV didn’t provide.

Another thing that people forget during that Warriors season was the following:

1) Monte made it known that a back court of him and Curry wasn't going to work and let's face it two 6'3 guys who are known for offense wasn't going to work. The Bucks had the choice between those 2 and chose Ellis. To be fair Curry's ankles were a huge issue and the fact that he got a 2nd contract at the time was seen as a win-win. Curry overcame those problems and became the GOAT 3pt shooter and 1st ballot hall of famer
2) Bogut post-injury added an extra dimension as a facilitator in the offensive half court set not to mention he was a great defensive anchor. He took Draymond Green under his wing and Dray made it known that Bogut helped him learn a lot of stuff that made it possible for not only him to thrive but also the Warriors. Dray became a pest that learned from Andrew on how to push your luck and see what you can get away with and made him a far more lethal weapon.
3) The Warriors in 2012 owed a 1st round pick to the Jazz that was top 7 pro. and then unprotected in 2013 thanks to the Deron Williams trade. Warriors tanked and were able to keep it which became Harrison Barnes while the 2013 1st eventually became Gorgui Dieng so it was a win I suppose.

Honestly the Raptors should think long and hard about what they want going forward, but I wouldn't hesitate to move Siakam for the right package although anybody thinking a Kawhi Leonard style package will happen will be disappointed.

The reality is Siakam as a top option is not taking any further than DD. Masai is a very smart man and he talks up his players as much as he can to make sure other GM's know he is not interested in just giving them away. So for the right return I would absolutely consider trading Siakam only because I believe he and Scottie are overlaps and that would mean one of the two sacrificing. This does not mean I don't believe Siakam is a very good player it just means I don't want to see Scottie hanging out at the 3 point line while Siakam has the ball in his hands most of the game. People pushing this Siakam/Barnes chemistry are hardcore Siakam fanboys and fully understand that if one had to be traded it most likely would be Siakam.When you look at when Barnes was putting up his best stats and was getting consistent attempts on nightly basis it was when Siakam was out. That is because OG is not a ballhog or ball dominant and is better then Siakam as a catch and shoot player. That means the ball is in Barnes's more often


Just look at this past series with 76ers, in the two most important games of the series games 2 & 3 he was mediocre in game 2 and completely **** the bed in game 3. Who cares he decides to play when your down 0-3 in the series and 76ers begin to let up. He is a very good 2A or 2B option on a title contending team but your not going with Siakam as your top option.

Just because one is hesitant to trade Pascal does not mean one is a Pascal fanboy. If a 7 footer was available that added no less to the success of the Raptors as Pascal, then even fanboys would approve the trade. A youngish Marc Gasol for example.

What many do not want is protected first, a prospect, and filler. What we do want is a solid star for a solid star in a different position. If Jamal Murray came available for example.

[HomieOmey]

What many do not want is protected first, a prospect, and filler. What we do want is a solid star for a solid star in a different position. If Jamal Murray came available for example.

Pretty much. Murray is a key name (and Mitchell to a lesser extent) because he's also younger than Siakam. We basically want and need a younger borderline all-star (Murray, SGA, Ball brothers, etc...)if we are trading either one of our border-line all-stars (Siakam and FVV). The only problem with that is teams don't generally trade younger borderline all-stars for older ones. I'm pretty sure any trade involving Siakam would make us worse in the short term while giving us more potential in the long term and a potentially better fit for Barnes. We would probably have to add more talent just to get back relatively equal value. I'm ok with that since I'm all in on Barnes. But I'm also super happy keeping our guys together.

I'm sure a lot of fans would be happy with or live with a trade for guys like Lillard, Bradley Beal, or Gobert, but I don't personally get the point in getting older. This year by Harden makes me nervous about guys like them.

[refshateRaps]

Mitchell trade makes alot sense based on age & positional need

Not sure about Murray after the injury

[Soca]

Has to be a killer deal. If Goldenstate gives us all their young guns i'd do it like Kuminga, Wiseman Moody and poole

Id prolly do a Kuminga/Poole for Siakam deal right now if it was offered ...It just makes sense for both teams timelines much more...Siakam would keep Curry/Klay/Draymond hunting titles on their last legs while we get Kuminga to pair with Barnes and Poole who is a 22 year old sharpshooter/Scorer but tbh i doubt Warriors would do the deal sadly as they prolly want to make Poole their next Curry and Kuminga to be their prospect for the future to pair with him.

There is no way they'll part with Poole.

[Madhouse]

Another thing that people forget during that Warriors season was the following:

1) Monte made it known that a back court of him and Curry wasn't going to work and let's face it two 6'3 guys who are known for offense wasn't going to work. The Bucks had the choice between those 2 and chose Ellis. To be fair Curry's ankles were a huge issue and the fact that he got a 2nd contract at the time was seen as a win-win. Curry overcame those problems and became the GOAT 3pt shooter and 1st ballot hall of famer
2) Bogut post-injury added an extra dimension as a facilitator in the offensive half court set not to mention he was a great defensive anchor. He took Draymond Green under his wing and Dray made it known that Bogut helped him learn a lot of stuff that made it possible for not only him to thrive but also the Warriors. Dray became a pest that learned from Andrew on how to push your luck and see what you can get away with and made him a far more lethal weapon.
3) The Warriors in 2012 owed a 1st round pick to the Jazz that was top 7 pro. and then unprotected in 2013 thanks to the Deron Williams trade. Warriors tanked and were able to keep it which became Harrison Barnes while the 2013 1st eventually became Gorgui Dieng so it was a win I suppose.

Honestly the Raptors should think long and hard about what they want going forward, but I wouldn't hesitate to move Siakam for the right package although anybody thinking a Kawhi Leonard style package will happen will be disappointed.

The reality is Siakam as a top option is not taking any further than DD. Masai is a very smart man and he talks up his players as much as he can to make sure other GM's know he is not interested in just giving them away. So for the right return I would absolutely consider trading Siakam only because I believe he and Scottie are overlaps and that would mean one of the two sacrificing. This does not mean I don't believe Siakam is a very good player it just means I don't want to see Scottie hanging out at the 3 point line while Siakam has the ball in his hands most of the game. People pushing this Siakam/Barnes chemistry are hardcore Siakam fanboys and fully understand that if one had to be traded it most likely would be Siakam.When you look at when Barnes was putting up his best stats and was getting consistent attempts on nightly basis it was when Siakam was out. That is because OG is not a ballhog or ball dominant and is better then Siakam as a catch and shoot player. That means the ball is in Barnes's more often


Just look at this past series with 76ers, in the two most important games of the series games 2 & 3 he was mediocre in game 2 and completely **** the bed in game 3. Who cares he decides to play when your down 0-3 in the series and 76ers begin to let up. He is a very good 2A or 2B option on a title contending team but your not going with Siakam as your top option.

Siakam was the 2nd scorer on a championship team. Now that he's actually gotten better he can no longer be part of a championship team. Got it.

You are right but it's not quiet as simple as you make it look. Team fit, age and overall top end talent of the roster all play a part.

[Madhouse]

Another thing that people forget during that Warriors season was the following:

1) Monte made it known that a back court of him and Curry wasn't going to work and let's face it two 6'3 guys who are known for offense wasn't going to work. The Bucks had the choice between those 2 and chose Ellis. To be fair Curry's ankles were a huge issue and the fact that he got a 2nd contract at the time was seen as a win-win. Curry overcame those problems and became the GOAT 3pt shooter and 1st ballot hall of famer
2) Bogut post-injury added an extra dimension as a facilitator in the offensive half court set not to mention he was a great defensive anchor. He took Draymond Green under his wing and Dray made it known that Bogut helped him learn a lot of stuff that made it possible for not only him to thrive but also the Warriors. Dray became a pest that learned from Andrew on how to push your luck and see what you can get away with and made him a far more lethal weapon.
3) The Warriors in 2012 owed a 1st round pick to the Jazz that was top 7 pro. and then unprotected in 2013 thanks to the Deron Williams trade. Warriors tanked and were able to keep it which became Harrison Barnes while the 2013 1st eventually became Gorgui Dieng so it was a win I suppose.

Honestly the Raptors should think long and hard about what they want going forward, but I wouldn't hesitate to move Siakam for the right package although anybody thinking a Kawhi Leonard style package will happen will be disappointed.

The reality is Siakam as a top option is not taking any further than DD. Masai is a very smart man and he talks up his players as much as he can to make sure other GM's know he is not interested in just giving them away. So for the right return I would absolutely consider trading Siakam only because I believe he and Scottie are overlaps and that would mean one of the two sacrificing. This does not mean I don't believe Siakam is a very good player it just means I don't want to see Scottie hanging out at the 3 point line while Siakam has the ball in his hands most of the game. People pushing this Siakam/Barnes chemistry are hardcore Siakam fanboys and fully understand that if one had to be traded it most likely would be Siakam.When you look at when Barnes was putting up his best stats and was getting consistent attempts on nightly basis it was when Siakam was out. That is because OG is not a ballhog or ball dominant and is better then Siakam as a catch and shoot player. That means the ball is in Barnes's more often


Just look at this past series with 76ers, in the two most important games of the series games 2 & 3 he was mediocre in game 2 and completely **** the bed in game 3. Who cares he decides to play when your down 0-3 in the series and 76ers begin to let up. He is a very good 2A or 2B option on a title contending team but your not going with Siakam as your top option.

i agree for the most part. barnes is the future and i don’t see pascal giving up his touches easily. i wouldn’t mind seeing barnes pascal and gobert as our core. defensively that would be hard to get through. Not a fan of OG game

They'll likely see how the Barnes/Siakam/Anunoby fit works next year.

It struggled this past year and was not effective. But I'm pretty sure they want to see it for 1 more year and then possibly make changes.

Siakam having the ball in his hands isn't necessarily a huge issue, it's that there is no ball movement and everything Is just stagnant iso play.

But that goes beyond Siakam and is a coaching issue.

[triple_threat]

[quote="Los_29"]Everyone in the league is available for the right trade. This isn't news. LOL.[/quote

Not Giannis

[aminiaturebuddha]

Everyone in the league is available for the right trade. This isn't news. LOL.[/quote

Not Giannis

Giannis might be available for the LA Lakers...not their roster, of course, but the actual franchise.

[TheBoi10]

The reality is Siakam as a top option is not taking any further than DD. Masai is a very smart man and he talks up his players as much as he can to make sure other GM's know he is not interested in just giving them away. So for the right return I would absolutely consider trading Siakam only because I believe he and Scottie are overlaps and that would mean one of the two sacrificing. This does not mean I don't believe Siakam is a very good player it just means I don't want to see Scottie hanging out at the 3 point line while Siakam has the ball in his hands most of the game. People pushing this Siakam/Barnes chemistry are hardcore Siakam fanboys and fully understand that if one had to be traded it most likely would be Siakam.When you look at when Barnes was putting up his best stats and was getting consistent attempts on nightly basis it was when Siakam was out. That is because OG is not a ballhog or ball dominant and is better then Siakam as a catch and shoot player. That means the ball is in Barnes's more often


Just look at this past series with 76ers, in the two most important games of the series games 2 & 3 he was mediocre in game 2 and completely **** the bed in game 3. Who cares he decides to play when your down 0-3 in the series and 76ers begin to let up. He is a very good 2A or 2B option on a title contending team but your not going with Siakam as your top option.

i agree for the most part. barnes is the future and i don’t see pascal giving up his touches easily. i wouldn’t mind seeing barnes pascal and gobert as our core. defensively that would be hard to get through. Not a fan of OG game

They'll likely see how the Barnes/Siakam/Anunoby fit works next year.

It struggled this past year and was not effective. But I'm pretty sure they want to see it for 1 more year and then possibly make changes.

Siakam having the ball in his hands isn't necessarily a huge issue, it's that there is no ball movement and everything Is just stagnant iso play.

But that goes beyond Siakam and is a coaching issue.

It's a talent issue. Siakam was the only guy that can consistently beat his own man one on one and get a good shot.

[Madhouse]

i agree for the most part. barnes is the future and i don’t see pascal giving up his touches easily. i wouldn’t mind seeing barnes pascal and gobert as our core. defensively that would be hard to get through. Not a fan of OG game

They'll likely see how the Barnes/Siakam/Anunoby fit works next year.

It struggled this past year and was not effective. But I'm pretty sure they want to see it for 1 more year and then possibly make changes.

Siakam having the ball in his hands isn't necessarily a huge issue, it's that there is no ball movement and everything Is just stagnant iso play.

But that goes beyond Siakam and is a coaching issue.

It's a talent issue. Siakam was the only guy that can consistently beat his own man one on one and get a good shot.

you are right but we need better, faster, more crisp ball movement regardless who is beating their man. We need a better strategy in the half court beyond having better players.

[agkagk]

People here are nuts. Let the team develop. Sit back and enjoy.

No let’s trade world class talent we’ve developed for a late lottery pick and a back up centre!!!

In 7 years Masai will look super smart!!!


The eleventh pick for Fred.... Ahhhhh ...... Ahhhhh!

[KrazyP]

The reality is Siakam as a top option is not taking any further than DD. Masai is a very smart man and he talks up his players as much as he can to make sure other GM's know he is not interested in just giving them away. So for the right return I would absolutely consider trading Siakam only because I believe he and Scottie are overlaps and that would mean one of the two sacrificing. This does not mean I don't believe Siakam is a very good player it just means I don't want to see Scottie hanging out at the 3 point line while Siakam has the ball in his hands most of the game. People pushing this Siakam/Barnes chemistry are hardcore Siakam fanboys and fully understand that if one had to be traded it most likely would be Siakam.When you look at when Barnes was putting up his best stats and was getting consistent attempts on nightly basis it was when Siakam was out. That is because OG is not a ballhog or ball dominant and is better then Siakam as a catch and shoot player. That means the ball is in Barnes's more often


Just look at this past series with 76ers, in the two most important games of the series games 2 & 3 he was mediocre in game 2 and completely **** the bed in game 3. Who cares he decides to play when your down 0-3 in the series and 76ers begin to let up. He is a very good 2A or 2B option on a title contending team but your not going with Siakam as your top option.

Siakam was the 2nd scorer on a championship team. Now that he's actually gotten better he can no longer be part of a championship team. Got it.

You are right but it's not quiet as simple as you make it look. Team fit, age and overall top end talent of the roster all play a part.

Re: Age. Yes there is an age gap between Barnes and Siakam but Siakam still likely has 5 years of prime left. Thats an eternity in the NBA and gives the Raps ample time to evaluate, assess and adjust. He'll also maintain or even his increase his asset value going forward.

Re: Fit. The OP poster above is labeling Siakam a ballhog thats getting in the way of Barnes's development. This hasnt been the case at all so far....its just another ballboy hot take. Siakam's 25% usage rate doesnt even come close to ballhog territory...that usage rate might even be less than most 2nd options in the league today.

The Raps do lack facilitators so the fact that Siakam and Barnes both show promise in this area is actually a good thing. More shooting around these guys is what the team actually needs.

The line of reasoning that if you dont have top end MVP talent, then your best player has to go is just dimwitted analysis.

[mulamutti]

Siakam was the 2nd scorer on a championship team. Now that he's actually gotten better he can no longer be part of a championship team. Got it.

You are right but it's not quiet as simple as you make it look. Team fit, age and overall top end talent of the roster all play a part.

Re: Age. Yes there is an age gap between Barnes and Siakam but Siakam still likely has 5 years of prime left. Thats an eternity in the NBA and gives the Raps ample time to evaluate, assess and adjust. He'll also maintain or even his increase his asset value going forward.

Re: Fit. The OP poster above is labeling Siakam a ballhog thats getting in the way of Barnes's development. This hasnt been the case at all so far....its just another ballboy hot take. Siakam's 25% usage rate doesnt even come close to ballhog territory...that usage rate might even be less than most 2nd options in the league today.

The Raps do lack facilitators so the fact that Siakam and Barnes both show promise in this area is actually a good thing. More shooting around these guys is what the team actually needs.

The line of reasoning that if you dont have top end MVP talent, then your best player has to go is just dimwitted analysis.

Yes exactly. Pascal is an all-nba player and so is literally top 15 in the nba. He is absolutely elite on both O and D. He may be flawed and may never lead us single handedly to a championship. However except for Giannis, there is no single player in the NBA that can do that. Lebron was the other one, and even he never won without multiple Al stars. Booker, Embiid, Jokic, Durant etc have never won by themselves. So what are we even talking about with trading Siakam. There is no single player that would replace Siakam that is gonna make a huge difference in the trajectory of this team. Embiid/Jokic would be the only examples and they have never made it past the second round.

[Madhouse]

You are right but it's not quiet as simple as you make it look. Team fit, age and overall top end talent of the roster all play a part.

Re: Age. Yes there is an age gap between Barnes and Siakam but Siakam still likely has 5 years of prime left. Thats an eternity in the NBA and gives the Raps ample time to evaluate, assess and adjust. He'll also maintain or even his increase his asset value going forward.

Re: Fit. The OP poster above is labeling Siakam a ballhog thats getting in the way of Barnes's development. This hasnt been the case at all so far....its just another ballboy hot take. Siakam's 25% usage rate doesnt even come close to ballhog territory...that usage rate might even be less than most 2nd options in the league today.

The Raps do lack facilitators so the fact that Siakam and Barnes both show promise in this area is actually a good thing. More shooting around these guys is what the team actually needs.

The line of reasoning that if you dont have top end MVP talent, then your best player has to go is just dimwitted analysis.

Yes exactly. Pascal is an all-nba player and so is literally top 15 in the nba. He is absolutely elite on both O and D. He may be flawed and may never lead us single handedly to a championship. However except for Giannis, there is no single player in the NBA that can do that. Lebron was the other one, and even he never one without multiple Al stars. Booker, Embiid, Jokic, Durant etc have never won by themselves. So what are we even talking about with trading Siakam. There is no single player that would replace Siakam that is gonna make a huge difference in the trajectory of this team. Embiid/Jokic would be the only examples and they have never made it past the second round.

I don't think he needs to go but I understand the discussion. I don't agree with your take at all that he is absolutely elite on both ends but at the same time Toronto would not be able to get a fair deal either in all likelihood. There isn't much out there that realistically gets sent our way and helps us win. Siakam is a good, not a great player but we aren't getting a great player back and we also are not getting a player back who has clear potential to be a great player.

[Los_29]

Everyone in the league is available for the right trade. This isn't news. LOL.[/quote

Not Giannis

I agree. If anyone isn't available it's probably Giannis. That's the rare exception. But even then, say Boston phoned up Milwaukee and offered them Brown, Tatum and three FRP's plus three pick swaps, do you think Milwaukee turns that down?