[Jake Fisher] The word surrounding OG Anunoby’s trade candidacy

[PhilBlackson]

Scottie weighs in:

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If OG's happy, this convo is OVAH!

So was DeMar...just sayin.

[C_Money]

Unhappy with his role in the offence LOL! If anything he should be shooting LESS. The guy is a disaster waiting to happen when he takes more than 2 dribbles.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Why is that it is so imperative that we get someone the same age as Barnes, and why does this have to happen this year??

OG is 24
Trent is 23
Precious is 22
Barnes is 20

Seems like he's surrounded by guys his age already. Everyone wants to copy what other teams are doing when Toronto is literally trying to do what only a few teams are trying to accomplish. Multiple ways to skin a cat

The same age thing means nothing to me, in fact I think it can be a massive distraction and conflict to try and match stars at the same age. It typically fails. But if OG wants more and the Raptors don't want to give it to him this is the kind of deal they can make to profit off their success. All these salary concerns are the effects of success.

[Badonkadonk]

Scottie weighs in:

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If OG's happy, this convo is OVAH!

Fisher's own admission that this was un-sourced wasn't enough to kill this dumb thread, I'm guessing this won't matter either.

[OakleyDokely]

He can stay here and double down on what he's already good at. He hasn't shown that he has the balance or the playmaking ability to be a consistent scorer in this league.

If klutch really wants him to get traded just for a few extra PPG, that seems like a really bad move for his career. He's just not that guy.

siakam wasnt that guy, look at him in the philly series vs a few years ago. different players. Saying an increased role will only amount to a few more ppg's is nonsense. An increased role = practice at said role. He's absolutely shown flashes of being able to take people 1 on 1, he's shown more potential than siakam had in terms of bag at his age.

Seriously, what do you guys see in OG that i dont? Like i get he's a good player, but people thinking he'll ever be more than a 3+D guy (with few plays here and there that arent spot ups) is just crazy to me. Dude's been in the league 5 years and still cant dribble, he has zero explosion off the dribble and has 2 left feet/robotic/w.e tf it is that makes him fall when he makes a slight move on offense.

He has zero future as an actual on ball option. He's at the top of the range of what he does (3+D), but he's not gonna be more. He's not gonna wake up tomorrow and not be ridiculously robotic with handles. Thats not the way basketball works. You improve around the edges, and sometimes those improvements are huge (like Siakam), but you dont become a different player 5 years in.

3+D undersells him though.

Not all 3+D's have the versatility to guard 1-5 like OG can. OG can literally switch from Harden to Embiid and guard it effectively. There aren't many players in the NBA that can do that. OG is one of the few guys who can.

Offensively, he shoots 3s at volume which is very important in the modern NBA and over his career he's scored it efficiently.

Nobody thinks he's Kawhi, but his size/skillset is in demand around the league and his versatility allows him to play in any scheme or situation. He's the type of player that most championship teams have.

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Scottie weighs in:

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If OG's happy, this convo is OVAH!

Fisher's own admission that this was un-sourced wasn't enough to kill this dumb thread, I'm guessing this won't matter either.

but he literally stated it was sourced , its just cleverly worded. High probability it came from other front offices, small chance it came from OG/his camp

[mademan]

siakam wasnt that guy, look at him in the philly series vs a few years ago. different players. Saying an increased role will only amount to a few more ppg's is nonsense. An increased role = practice at said role. He's absolutely shown flashes of being able to take people 1 on 1, he's shown more potential than siakam had in terms of bag at his age.

Seriously, what do you guys see in OG that i dont? Like i get he's a good player, but people thinking he'll ever be more than a 3+D guy (with few plays here and there that arent spot ups) is just crazy to me. Dude's been in the league 5 years and still cant dribble, he has zero explosion off the dribble and has 2 left feet/robotic/w.e tf it is that makes him fall when he makes a slight move on offense.

He has zero future as an actual on ball option. He's at the top of the range of what he does (3+D), but he's not gonna be more. He's not gonna wake up tomorrow and not be ridiculously robotic with handles. Thats not the way basketball works. You improve around the edges, and sometimes those improvements are huge (like Siakam), but you dont become a different player 5 years in.

3+D undersells him though.

Not all 3+D's have the versatility to guard 1-5 like OG can. OG can literally switch from Harden to Embiid and guard it effectively. There aren't many players in the NBA that can do that. OG is one of the few guys who can.

Offensively, he shoots 3s at volume which is very important in the modern NBA and over his career he's scored it efficiently.

Nobody think he's Kawhi, but his size/skillset is in demand around the league and his versatility allows him to play in any scheme or situation. He's the type of player that most championship teams have.

I didnt undersell him. I said he was at the top end of the range of his prototype (only bested by Mikal Bridges, imo). Im arguing against guys thinking he's something he isnt. He's not gonna be an on ball option; thats just no his game.

[WuTang_CMB]

Trent will be traded before we consider even trading OG.

[tdotrep2]

Seriously, what do you guys see in OG that i dont? Like i get he's a good player, but people thinking he'll ever be more than a 3+D guy (with few plays here and there that arent spot ups) is just crazy to me. Dude's been in the league 5 years and still cant dribble, he has zero explosion off the dribble and has 2 left feet/robotic/w.e tf it is that makes him fall when he makes a slight move on offense.

He has zero future as an actual on ball option. He's at the top of the range of what he does (3+D), but he's not gonna be more. He's not gonna wake up tomorrow and not be ridiculously robotic with handles. Thats not the way basketball works. You improve around the edges, and sometimes those improvements are huge (like Siakam), but you dont become a different player 5 years in.

3+D undersells him though.

Not all 3+D's have the versatility to guard 1-5 like OG can. OG can literally switch from Harden to Embiid and guard it effectively. There aren't many players in the NBA that can do that. OG is one of the few guys who can.

Offensively, he shoots 3s at volume which is very important in the modern NBA and over his career he's scored it efficiently.

Nobody think he's Kawhi, but his size/skillset is in demand around the league and his versatility allows him to play in any scheme or situation. He's the type of player that most championship teams have.

I didnt undersell him. I said he was at the top end of the range of his prototype. Im arguing against guys thinking he's something he isnt. He's not gonna be an on ball option; thats just no his game.

hes absolutely shown flashes at being an on ball option. People see his size and flashes of shot making and its clear theres potential. Its tough for him when he goes large stretches of spacing the floor and then gets a random iso. Give him a year of a certain type of touches with consistency around him and he'll greatly improve. Will he be devin booker? no, but he can be a threat.

[OakleyDokely]

Seriously, what do you guys see in OG that i dont? Like i get he's a good player, but people thinking he'll ever be more than a 3+D guy (with few plays here and there that arent spot ups) is just crazy to me. Dude's been in the league 5 years and still cant dribble, he has zero explosion off the dribble and has 2 left feet/robotic/w.e tf it is that makes him fall when he makes a slight move on offense.

He has zero future as an actual on ball option. He's at the top of the range of what he does (3+D), but he's not gonna be more. He's not gonna wake up tomorrow and not be ridiculously robotic with handles. Thats not the way basketball works. You improve around the edges, and sometimes those improvements are huge (like Siakam), but you dont become a different player 5 years in.

3+D undersells him though.

Not all 3+D's have the versatility to guard 1-5 like OG can. OG can literally switch from Harden to Embiid and guard it effectively. There aren't many players in the NBA that can do that. OG is one of the few guys who can.

Offensively, he shoots 3s at volume which is very important in the modern NBA and over his career he's scored it efficiently.

Nobody think he's Kawhi, but his size/skillset is in demand around the league and his versatility allows him to play in any scheme or situation. He's the type of player that most championship teams have.

I didnt undersell him. I said he was at the top end of the range of his prototype (only bested by Mikal Bridges, imo). Im arguing against guys thinking he's something he isnt. He's not gonna be an on ball option; thats just no his game.

OG's has shown some very positive signs playing bully ball in the post and attacking mismatches. No, he's not going to be a #1 scoring option, but as a secondary scorer who provides elite defense and lots of 3s -- that's a very important player who can be a key component on a championship level team.

He's also a more versatile defender than Bridges because OG can defend against legit Cs in a pinch.

[will]

This a multiple sauces situation?

[mademan]

3+D undersells him though.

Not all 3+D's have the versatility to guard 1-5 like OG can. OG can literally switch from Harden to Embiid and guard it effectively. There aren't many players in the NBA that can do that. OG is one of the few guys who can.

Offensively, he shoots 3s at volume which is very important in the modern NBA and over his career he's scored it efficiently.

Nobody think he's Kawhi, but his size/skillset is in demand around the league and his versatility allows him to play in any scheme or situation. He's the type of player that most championship teams have.

I didnt undersell him. I said he was at the top end of the range of his prototype. Im arguing against guys thinking he's something he isnt. He's not gonna be an on ball option; thats just no his game.

hes absolutely shown flashes at being an on ball option. People see his size and flashes of shot making and its clear theres potential. Its tough for him when he goes large stretches of spacing the floor and then gets a random iso. Give him a year of a certain type of touches with consistency around him and he'll greatly improve. Will he be devin booker? no, but he can be a threat.

This guy cant dribble. At times, he can bully a smaller player in the post (which every NBA player can do, at times). He also hit a couple step back 3's throughout the season (at a very poor rate, iirc). That has been the extent of his flashes.

5 years in and cant dribble. No, he's not an on ball option. A guy like Mikal Bridges, who's shown much more in being able to pull up for mid range shots, isnt an even an on ball option. It's just not who he is, and you guys are setting weird expectations for him. He's a 3+D guy...thats who he is. You dont change who you are 5 years in

[mademan]

3+D undersells him though.

Not all 3+D's have the versatility to guard 1-5 like OG can. OG can literally switch from Harden to Embiid and guard it effectively. There aren't many players in the NBA that can do that. OG is one of the few guys who can.

Offensively, he shoots 3s at volume which is very important in the modern NBA and over his career he's scored it efficiently.

Nobody think he's Kawhi, but his size/skillset is in demand around the league and his versatility allows him to play in any scheme or situation. He's the type of player that most championship teams have.

I didnt undersell him. I said he was at the top end of the range of his prototype (only bested by Mikal Bridges, imo). Im arguing against guys thinking he's something he isnt. He's not gonna be an on ball option; thats just no his game.

OG's has shown some very positive signs playing bully ball in the post and attacking mismatches. No, he's not going to be a #1 scoring option, but as a secondary scorer who provides elite defense and lots of 3s -- that's a very important player who can be a key component on a championship level team.

He's also a more versatile defender than Bridges because OG can defend against legit Cs in a pinch.

Every player in the league can bully a smaller player in the post. OG isnt a second or 3rd option; he's a catch and shoot player who can attack closeouts here and there/pick on smaller players sometimes and occasionally make a play. And ya, he's a more versatile defender than bridges, but Bridges is better at utilizing his length/speed off ball, and its why all metrics paint him as a better defender. And Bridges agility make him more useful moving off the ball (tho you could attribute that to having Chris Paul on his team, iunno).

[tecumseh18]

But if OG wants more and the Raptors don't want to give it to him this is the kind of deal they can make to profit off their success.

Not sure if you're talking about more money or more touches. But if OG - who turns 25 next month - is happy with his role while developing his handle every summer, and will take a low 20s salary on his next contract, then he's pretty much untouchable, unless #4 or SGA is on the table.

I'm pretty sure the Raps can afford to pay Fred and OG a combined total of $50 mill/yr under the escalating cap. As long as a legit two-way player is not vastly overpaid (like Tobias Harris), he can always be traded for value.

[OakleyDokely]

I didnt undersell him. I said he was at the top end of the range of his prototype (only bested by Mikal Bridges, imo). Im arguing against guys thinking he's something he isnt. He's not gonna be an on ball option; thats just no his game.

OG's has shown some very positive signs playing bully ball in the post and attacking mismatches. No, he's not going to be a #1 scoring option, but as a secondary scorer who provides elite defense and lots of 3s -- that's a very important player who can be a key component on a championship level team.

He's also a more versatile defender than Bridges because OG can defend against legit Cs in a pinch.

Every player in the league can bully a smaller player in the post. OG isnt a second or 3rd option; he's a catch and shoot player who can attack closeouts here and there/pick on smaller players sometimes and occasionally make a play. And ya, he's a more versatile defender than bridges, but Bridges is better at utilizing his length/speed off ball, and its why all metrics paint him as a better defender. And Bridges agility make him more useful moving off the ball (tho you could attribute that to having Chris Paul on his team, iunno).

But the point is, PHX ain't trading Bridges for #7 either.

[tdot_steel]

The Raptors need a player and someone that create offense 1v1 and we do not have that player in our rotation. The playoffs revealed this.

The 2nd most important factor is the cap. Between FVV, Siakim, OG and Trent there is alot of $$ tied up. You have a cheaper replacement for OG in Scottie and Precious at a combined rate of almost 7 million less. We need a center and bench help. The # 4 or 7 pick plus a Josh Hart or Richaun Holmes permits us to re-balance the roster and address the bench in FA.

I would love to see one of Dyson Daniels, Shaeden Sharpe or Ben Mathurin in a Raptors uniform. My pick would be Mathurin.

The interest on the Raptors part of working out lottery bound players indicates at the very least thoughts about moving up. Picks and/or players would have to be involved. IMO Barnes FFV and Siakim are not being moved. That leaves OG and Trent. I do not see a deal surrounding GTIII having enough value to get into the top 10. Between Siakim, Barnes and OG there is too much duplication.

I think there are legs to this rumor and it makes too much sense.

[tdotrep2]

I didnt undersell him. I said he was at the top end of the range of his prototype. Im arguing against guys thinking he's something he isnt. He's not gonna be an on ball option; thats just no his game.

hes absolutely shown flashes at being an on ball option. People see his size and flashes of shot making and its clear theres potential. Its tough for him when he goes large stretches of spacing the floor and then gets a random iso. Give him a year of a certain type of touches with consistency around him and he'll greatly improve. Will he be devin booker? no, but he can be a threat.

This guy cant dribble. At times, he can bully a smaller player in the post (which every NBA player can do, at times). He also hit a couple step back 3's throughout the season (at a very poor rate, iirc). That has been the extent of his flashes.

5 years in and cant dribble. No, he's not an on ball option. A guy like Mikal Bridges, who's shown much more in being able to pull up for mid range shots, isnt an even an on ball option. It's just not who he is, and you guys are setting weird expectations for him. He's a 3+D guy...thats who he is. You dont change who you are 5 years in

this is literally how kawhi scores

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If OG's happy, this convo is OVAH!

So was DeMar...just sayin.

And? The narrative in this thread is that OG is upset with his role, thus he should be traded now for picks/assets. This seems like as much proof as one would realistically get to say otherwise unless OG puts this random rumour – that was said to be speculation by the author himself – to rest.

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[lobosloboslobos]

Seriously, what do you guys see in OG that i dont? Like i get he's a good player, but people thinking he'll ever be more than a 3+D guy (with few plays here and there that arent spot ups) is just crazy to me. Dude's been in the league 5 years and still cant dribble, he has zero explosion off the dribble and has 2 left feet/robotic/w.e tf it is that makes him fall when he makes a slight move on offense.

He has zero future as an actual on ball option. He's at the top of the range of what he does (3+D), but he's not gonna be more. He's not gonna wake up tomorrow and not be ridiculously robotic with handles. Thats not the way basketball works. You improve around the edges, and sometimes those improvements are huge (like Siakam), but you dont become a different player 5 years in.

3+D undersells him though.

Not all 3+D's have the versatility to guard 1-5 like OG can. OG can literally switch from Harden to Embiid and guard it effectively. There aren't many players in the NBA that can do that. OG is one of the few guys who can.

Offensively, he shoots 3s at volume which is very important in the modern NBA and over his career he's scored it efficiently.

Nobody think he's Kawhi, but his size/skillset is in demand around the league and his versatility allows him to play in any scheme or situation. He's the type of player that most championship teams have.

I didnt undersell him. I said he was at the top end of the range of his prototype (only bested by Mikal Bridges, imo). Im arguing against guys thinking he's something he isnt. He's not gonna be an on ball option; thats just no his game.

Unlike you apparently, the Raptors braintrust values defense as much if not more than offense. In fact they do value it more than offense because you don't see the floor under Nurse no matter how good you are offensively unless you are also playing very solid defense.

OG Anunoby is the MOST VERSATILE DEFENDER IN THE LEAGUE. He plays elite D against centers and PGs and makes game saving defensive plays. He is also a very reliable 3 point shooter. And he is a clutch player who has played some of his best games in the playoffs (career playoff TS of .605). He is 24 years old and steadily improving. he has zero attitude, is a team first guy, and put up 17 ppg last season in by far his worst season as a shooter. he is on a terrific contract for 3 more years. he is completely bought into the Raptors system and we have consistently had a much worse record when he sits due to injury.

But you and half the posters in this thread want to trade him???

OG playing his whole career with the Raps is more likely than him getting traded anytime soon imo.

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Scottie weighs in:

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If OG's happy, this convo is OVAH!

Gonna need Scottie to go ahead and not insert himself into these conversations