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2023 Draft Discussion Part III

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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#241 » by Rapsfan07 » Wed Mar 29, 2023 4:13 am

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1.(1) Victor Wembanyama | 7’2” | 229 lbs. | Forward | Metropolitans 92

2.(2) Scoot Henderson | 6’2” | 195 lbs. | Guard | Ignite

3.(3) Brandon Miller | 6’9” | 200 lbs. | Forward | Alabama

4.(4) Jarace Walker | 6’8” | 240 lbs. | Forward | Houston

5.(5) Cam Whitmore | 6’7” | 232 lbs. | Forward | Villanova

6.(6) Ausar Thompson | 6’7” | 207 lbs. | Wing | OTE City Reapers

7.(8)Amen Thompson | 6’7” | 202 lbs. | Guard | OTE City Reapers

8.(9) Jalen Hood-Schifino | 6’6” | 213 lbs. | Guard | Indiana

9.(13) Anthony Black | 6’7” | 198 lbs. | Perimeter | Arkansas

10.(11) Taylor Hendricks | 6’9” | 210 lbs. | Forward | UCF

11.(7) Keyonte George | 6’4” | 185 lbs. | Guard | Baylor

12.(12) Cason Wallace | 6’4” | 193 lbs. | Guard | Kentucky

13.(10) Gradey Dick | 6’8” | 205 lbs. | Wing | Kansas

14.(14) Jett Howard | 6’8” | 215 lbs. | Wing | Michigan

15. (16) Brice Sensabaugh | 6’6” | 235 lbs. | Wing | Ohio State

16.(17) Gregory “GG” Jackson | 6’9” | 215 lbs. | Forward | South Carolina

17.(19) Max Lewis | 6’7” | 195 lbs. | Wing | Pepperdine

18.(20) Rayan Rupert | 6’6” | 192 lbs. | Wing | New Zealand Breakers

19.(23) Dariq Whitehead | 6’7” | 220 lbs. | Wing | Duke

20.(21) Jordan Hawkins | 6’5” | 195 lbs. | Wing | Connecticut

21.(22) Colby Jones | 6’6” | 205 lbs. | Wing | Xavier

22.(26) Kobe Bufkin | 6’4” | 195 lbs. | Guard | Michigan

23.(15) Nick Smith Jr. | 6’5” | 185 lbs. | Guard | Arkansas

24.(24) Trayce Jackson-Davis | 6’9” | 245 lbs. | Big | Indiana

25.(25) Adem Bona | 6’10” | 235 lbs. | Big | UCLA

26.(35) Dereck Lively II | 7’1” | 230 lbs. | Big | Duke

27.(28) Marcus Sasser | 6’2” | 195 lbs. | Guard | Houston

28.(18) Kris Murray | 6’8” | 220 lbs. | Forward | Iowa

29.(30) Sidy Cissoko | 6’8” | 200 lbs. | Forward | Ignite

30.(27) Noah Clowney | 6’10” | 210 lbs. | Big | Alabama


Interesting...

First, I like that they added Bufkin and TJD to the first round. They both deserve that respect on their name and I believe both will be first round picks on draft night.

Secondly, I could actually see Nick Smith sliding that far. It might be better for him to go back to school for another year.

Third, I don't see Bona as a first rounder. Pick and roll finishing, dunker spot bigs are available in every draft even into the second round. And even there, I think I'd rather DaRon Holmes instead.

Lastly, I can't see Whitehead going before Hawkins, Jones or Bufkin.

P.S Why no love for Podz in these mock drafts?!
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#242 » by PhilBlackson » Wed Mar 29, 2023 4:14 am

I think I like his potential more than anyone else that will realistically be available when we draft. There's clearly the potential to be a damn good player there if he develops properly...creativity off the dribble to score, really good bball IQ, great passer and good defender, I don't know what's not to like.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#244 » by WuTang_CMB » Wed Mar 29, 2023 4:23 am

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WuTang_OG wrote:yeah we really need to filter out these dudes... especially ones who think jalen johnson was a prize in 21'. Time ticking on that next ban


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I have been patrolling these forums since well before the Rasho Nesterovic LETS NBA meme at which point in time you were likely a few years removed from popping out of your mother's womb.

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You are getting so excited but only because of your own actions.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#245 » by Kevin Willis » Wed Mar 29, 2023 4:26 am

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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#246 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Wed Mar 29, 2023 4:30 am

WuTang_OG wrote:
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WuTang_OG wrote:yeah we really need to filter out these dudes... especially ones who think jalen johnson was a prize in 21'. Time ticking on that next ban


Do you know what defamation is? You are assuming, with zero evidence, that I am a certain poster.

I have been patrolling these forums since well before the Rasho Nesterovic LETS NBA meme at which point in time you were likely a few years removed from popping out of your mother's womb.

Stop defaming me.

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You are getting so excited but only because of your own actions.
1) You cry wolf over someone calling your response weak
2) You get notified by a mod that that's perfectly fine
3) You got annoyed because of that then tried to take a shot and missed
4) You continue to be annoying because of your lack of comprehension.

It's a public forum. You had a weak response. Get over it.


You have weak opinions that require very little in terms of response. Just going through your history and seeing how frequently you make ridiculous claims about players and their ability demonstrates your incredible lack of comprehension regarding basketball. It's hard to believe that you've ever played the sport at a competitive level or coached it at any point in your life. Your opinions are extremely misinformed and weak. Get over it.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#247 » by WuTang_CMB » Wed Mar 29, 2023 4:41 am

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
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Do you know what defamation is? You are assuming, with zero evidence, that I am a certain poster.

I have been patrolling these forums since well before the Rasho Nesterovic LETS NBA meme at which point in time you were likely a few years removed from popping out of your mother's womb.

Stop defaming me.

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You are getting so excited but only because of your own actions.
1) You cry wolf over someone calling your response weak
2) You get notified by a mod that that's perfectly fine
3) You got annoyed because of that then tried to take a shot and missed
4) You continue to be annoying because of your lack of comprehension.

It's a public forum. You had a weak response. Get over it.


You have weak opinions that require very little in terms of response. Just going through your history and seeing how frequently you make ridiculous claims about players and their ability demonstrates your incredible lack of comprehension regarding basketball. It's hard to believe that you've ever played the sport at a competitive level or coached it at any point in your life. Your opinions are extremely misinformed and weak. Get over it.


You can't come up with your own responses, you have to just copy what I told you lol. Pretty pathetic. Don't get so upset because you lost an argument and don't understand simple basketball statistics. You've already been reported on here by other posters. The next ban is coming for you.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#248 » by Reeko » Wed Mar 29, 2023 5:07 am

WuTang_OG wrote:
REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
You are getting so excited but only because of your own actions.
1) You cry wolf over someone calling your response weak
2) You get notified by a mod that that's perfectly fine
3) You got annoyed because of that then tried to take a shot and missed
4) You continue to be annoying because of your lack of comprehension.

It's a public forum. You had a weak response. Get over it.


You have weak opinions that require very little in terms of response. Just going through your history and seeing how frequently you make ridiculous claims about players and their ability demonstrates your incredible lack of comprehension regarding basketball. It's hard to believe that you've ever played the sport at a competitive level or coached it at any point in your life. Your opinions are extremely misinformed and weak. Get over it.


You can't come up with your own responses, you have to just copy what I told you lol. Pretty pathetic. Don't get so upset because you lost an argument and don't understand simple basketball statistics. You've already been reported on here by other posters. The next ban is coming for you.

Guys just stop. And please stop accusing other posters of having been previously banned, it will be met with a warning the next time I see it happen here.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#249 » by Yallbecrazy » Wed Mar 29, 2023 11:55 am

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1.(1) Victor Wembanyama | 7’2” | 229 lbs. | Forward | Metropolitans 92

2.(2) Scoot Henderson | 6’2” | 195 lbs. | Guard | Ignite

3.(3) Brandon Miller | 6’9” | 200 lbs. | Forward | Alabama

4.(4) Jarace Walker | 6’8” | 240 lbs. | Forward | Houston

5.(5) Cam Whitmore | 6’7” | 232 lbs. | Forward | Villanova

6.(6) Ausar Thompson | 6’7” | 207 lbs. | Wing | OTE City Reapers

7.(8)Amen Thompson | 6’7” | 202 lbs. | Guard | OTE City Reapers

8.(9) Jalen Hood-Schifino | 6’6” | 213 lbs. | Guard | Indiana

9.(13) Anthony Black | 6’7” | 198 lbs. | Perimeter | Arkansas

10.(11) Taylor Hendricks | 6’9” | 210 lbs. | Forward | UCF

11.(7) Keyonte George | 6’4” | 185 lbs. | Guard | Baylor

12.(12) Cason Wallace | 6’4” | 193 lbs. | Guard | Kentucky

13.(10) Gradey Dick | 6’8” | 205 lbs. | Wing | Kansas

14.(14) Jett Howard | 6’8” | 215 lbs. | Wing | Michigan

15. (16) Brice Sensabaugh | 6’6” | 235 lbs. | Wing | Ohio State

16.(17) Gregory “GG” Jackson | 6’9” | 215 lbs. | Forward | South Carolina

17.(19) Max Lewis | 6’7” | 195 lbs. | Wing | Pepperdine

18.(20) Rayan Rupert | 6’6” | 192 lbs. | Wing | New Zealand Breakers

19.(23) Dariq Whitehead | 6’7” | 220 lbs. | Wing | Duke

20.(21) Jordan Hawkins | 6’5” | 195 lbs. | Wing | Connecticut

21.(22) Colby Jones | 6’6” | 205 lbs. | Wing | Xavier

22.(26) Kobe Bufkin | 6’4” | 195 lbs. | Guard | Michigan

23.(15) Nick Smith Jr. | 6’5” | 185 lbs. | Guard | Arkansas

24.(24) Trayce Jackson-Davis | 6’9” | 245 lbs. | Big | Indiana

25.(25) Adem Bona | 6’10” | 235 lbs. | Big | UCLA

26.(35) Dereck Lively II | 7’1” | 230 lbs. | Big | Duke

27.(28) Marcus Sasser | 6’2” | 195 lbs. | Guard | Houston

28.(18) Kris Murray | 6’8” | 220 lbs. | Forward | Iowa

29.(30) Sidy Cissoko | 6’8” | 200 lbs. | Forward | Ignite

30.(27) Noah Clowney | 6’10” | 210 lbs. | Big | Alabama


Interesting...

P.S Why no love for Podz in these mock drafts?!


Any mock draft that has JHS in the top 10, GG Jackson in the top 20, Black ahead of Wallace, etc. clearly isn't looking at stats or numbers.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#250 » by WuTang_CMB » Wed Mar 29, 2023 12:28 pm

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11. Utah Jazz
Gradey Dick | 6-8 wing | 19 years old | Kansas
Gradey Dick has a case as the best shooter in the class. He’s a teenager who drilled 40.3 percent from 3 in the Big 12 this season while averaging 14 points and taking nearly six 3s per game. He’s tremendous as a shooter with a quick trigger and a high release point at 6-foot-8.

But there is a bit more to Dick’s game than meets the eye. He is smart at using the threat of his shot to drive and cut to the rim, and he’s a sharp processor of the game. He finishes at the rim and has plus positional size for his role. He’s also a useful team defender, with quick hand-eye coordination and reactivity, but he did have some issues navigating exchanges on and off the ball this season. Teams also have some general concerns that he might be a target for opposing lead ballhandlers.

It’s hard to imagine a better fit in Utah’s offense, which is based around all sorts of off-ball movement and dribble-handoff actions. Dick would be a nightmare to cover. He’s seen as a very likely lottery pick.

12. Oklahoma City Thunder
Jordan Hawkins | 6-5 wing | 21 years old | Connecticut
Jordan Hawkins has been terrific throughout Connecticut’s run to the Final Four, but don’t mistake this as a spike up the board due to an end-of-season shooting surge. Hawkins was No. 15 on my pre-Tournament Big Board a month ago, and has been rising throughout the process this year because he’s the best movement 3-point shooter in the class. Connecticut has him fly consistently off screens to create 3s, and he reciprocates by catching quickly and firing with ease. Measurements will be important, but he has real size, and has even improved his ability off the bounce this season.

The issue right now is that he’s extremely skinny and does not maintain the advantages he creates going toward the basket due to his lack of strength. If an NBA team believes they can get him stronger and into the 200-to-210 pound range, he should probably go somewhere in the top-10. If not, he might project more like someone the Thunder currently have on their roster: Isaiah Joe. Joe was also skinny when he entered the NBA and couldn’t really do anything for his first couple of years, but he’s quickly morphed into one of the most lethal 3-point floor-spacers in the NBA, hitting 42 percent on over five 3s in just 18 minutes per game this season.

Hawkins has a little more game than Joe did entering the NBA, and Joe is cheap for another two years for Oklahoma City. But you can never have enough floor-spacing, especially if you’re Oklahoma City and building around Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Josh Giddey moving forward.



13. New Orleans Pelicans (via LAL)
Jalen Hood-Schifino | 6-6 wing | 20 years old | Indiana
Jalen Hood-Schifino embodies many of the characteristics teams currently search across the basketball landscape to find. He has great positional size as a 6-foot-6 guard. He can handle the ball and process the game at a reasonable level. He has potential to shoot a high percentage from deep and has a penchant for midrange shot creation already. Defensively, he’s terrific and switchable onto a variety of different player types. He’s one of those guys who is tough-minded and won’t take anything off the court for his team if his shooting translates to the next level. Hood-Schifino was the Big Ten Freshman of the Year this season and averaged 13.5 points, 4.1 rebounds and 3.8 assists per game on his way to an All-Big Ten nod. He helped the Hoosiers to a second-place finish in the league as the second-best player on the team. He’s one of the few freshmen who positively impacted winning this season.

The Pelicans tend to love these kinds of players with plus positional size, great defensive acumen and the potential to be versatile positionally. If he shoots — Hood Schifino’s marks off the dribble should give real hope — I think he can play with someone like 2022 first-round pick Dyson Daniels in the backcourt.

14. Los Angeles Lakers (via NOP)
Dereck Lively II | 7-1 center| 19 years old| Duke
Dereck Lively had a monster end of the season that reminded scouts and decision-makers why he was so highly rated coming out of high school. By the end of the season, he was arguably the most impactful defensive player in the country, as a 7-foot-1 center with a 7-foot-6 wingspan who was an elite rim protector, a versatile ball-screen defender and contested rebound retriever. This culminated in a virtuoso performance in the first round of the NCAA Tournament against Oral Roberts’ top-25 offense in the country, in which Lively and Duke held the Golden Eagles scoreless in the first seven minutes of the game on their way to a blowout. Lively’s offense needs work, but he’s a tailor-made defensive center for where the NBA is headed. Offensively, his game should be a bit better out in the space of the NBA, especially if he can get paired with a terrific guard who can feed him on rim-runs where he can use his athleticism and length to high-point the ball and dunk.

The Lakers have tried to fill a void in the middle next to Anthony Davis for a little while now. It’s why they took a shot on Mo Bamba at the trade deadline, a move that has so far backfired, as he wasn’t making all that big an impact prior to spraining his ankle. On top of that, the team’s other moves at the deadline to acquire players such as D’Angelo Russell and Malik Beasley have given the Lakers actual backcourt depth for the remaining years of LeBron James’ prime if they want to retain each this summer.

15. New York Knicks (via DAL)
Keyonte George | 6-4 guard | 19 years old | Baylor
We’re firmly into the range of players who are all over the map for teams. Some really like Keyonte George due to his creativity off the bounce. The name of comparison that comes up most often with George is Mavericks guard Jaden Hardy, who went in the second round last season, but has recently shown he should have been taken higher. I had Hardy at No. 20 last year and have George in a similar range. Having said that, George also shot 38 percent from the field and 34 percent from 3 this season, had a negative assist-to-turnover ratio and was all over the map with his defense and decision-making.

My bet is that George ends up somewhere in the top 20, but not all NBA teams love these high-usage, low-efficiency guards, even if they showcase tremendous talent at a young age. The Knicks could use another creative scoring guard to develop around Jalen Brunson and Julius Randle. The Knicks’ offense has been terrific this season, but they are a bit short on supplementary offensive creation. The team’s offensive rating has plummeted when Brunson and Randle are both off the court.

16. Atlanta Hawks
Nick Smith Jr. | 6-4 combo guard | 19 years old | Arkansas
It’s hard to have a much worse ending than Nick Smith did after returning from injuries that held him out for a majority of the season before mid-February. He scored just 17 points in 68 minutes during Arkansas’ three NCAA Tournament games, and the team was often better with him off the court. In Smith’s 17 games, he averaged 12.5 points, but shot just 37 percent from the field and 33 percent from 3. His defensive play was consistently messy — something not all that surprising for a player who didn’t get any real time to mesh with his teammates and build cohesion.

Smith was one of the top recruits in the 2022 class and proved at lower levels that he can be a terrific tough-shot maker and instant offensive creator. Given his injuries, there are real, built-in excuses for why he struggled. But he has some work to do during the pre-draft process to rehabilitate his stock.

The Hawks could use more instant offense in the backcourt behind Trae Young and Dejounte Murray when the team staggers them off the bench, especially with Bogdan Bogdanović beginning to age. Smith’s ability to play as an off-ball cutter and mover would play well next to either of those two guards.


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17. Utah Jazz (via MIN)
Leonard Miller | 6-10 forward | 19 years old | G League Ignite
NBA evaluators are all over the map on Leonard Miller. Some think his feel for the game is extremely limited – he’s a 6-foot-10 four who doesn’t really shoot it well enough yet and still is working through learning how to play defense. They often aren’t sure his game will translate to the NBA. Others around the league, however, see an uncut gem with terrific tools such as a 9-foot standing reach, an ability to grab-and-go to lead the fast break and skill to finish on the interior.

What’s undeniable, however, is the production. Over Miller’s final 13 games of the G League season, he averaged 20.3 points, 13 rebounds, 2.4 assists and a steal and a block per game while shooting 54 percent from the field. That made him a top-25 scorer and the No. 2 rebounder in the league over that time. The shot needs some work, and he needs to live in the film room for the next couple of years to improve his defensive reactivity. But it’s difficult to find teenagers with this kind of size who can play on the wing and produce.

The Jazz have a lot of first-rounders and can take a risk on the plus-positional-size, plus-skill intersection at which Miller resides.

18. Golden State Warriors
Kyle Filipowski | 6-11 big | 19 years old | Duke
Kyle Filipowski was Duke’s best, most consistent player this season. He’s a tough rebounder and has intriguing ball skills for someone who is nearly 7-foot tall. He can create his shot and has real coordination with the ball that has the potential to make him a matchup nightmare. I also think he’s an underrated defensive player; he plays upright, but he has agility and can slide his feet reasonably well. The issue for Filipowski is that he’s a big who is neither a rim protector or a shooter at this point (he made just 28.2 percent from 3 this season). But he has real upside as a shooter, with nice touch and some workable mechanical flaws.

The Warriors love guys like this who are smart and know how to move with and without the ball. If the shooting comes around, he could be something of an answer at the center position who actually fits well within what Steve Kerr asks of his big men.

19. Houston Rockets (via LAC)
Brice Sensabaugh | 6-6 wing | 19 years old | Ohio State
Brice Sensabaugh declared for the draft over the weekend, noting that he’d be retaining his collegiate eligibility. Much like all of the players in this range, he is a bit polarizing for scouts. Some worry about his lack of defensive acumen; Ohio State often had to remove him for critical possessions because of his struggles off the ball and issues when involved in on-ball actions. However, most scouts think his offense outweighs those concerns. Sensabaugh is a three-level scorer, as he averaged 16 points per game while shooting 48 percent from the field and 40 percent from 3 this season. He’s a terrific shot creator in the midrange already, with a deep bag of tricks to separate and get the extra space he needs to fire up a consistent look. The Rockets have tended to value scorers and guys who produce at younger ages under this Rafael Stone-led front office.

One note with Sensabaugh: He missed Ohio State’s final two games of the season with a knee injury from the Big Ten tournament, and there has not yet been a substantial update. Teams will want to confirm the injury is not serious in any way.

20. Brooklyn Nets (via PHX)
Kris Murray | 6-8 wing | 22 years old | Iowa
Kris Murray is considered one of the safer bets in this class to be a solid rotation player. He’s not his brother, Keegan – Kris’ shot isn’t quite as versatile and he’s not quite as fluid athletically as the current Sacramento Kings rookie. But Kris is 6-foot-8 and averaged 20 points, eight rebounds and two assists per game this season, plus has enough touch to where you should be able to project him as a solid spot-up shooter moving forward. Per Synergy, he made 41 percent of his catch-and-shoot 3s this season. That’s a projectable skill, even if he’s not going to necessarily be running off wild actions and creating them himself.

The Nets love these big wings who have good positional size and can shoot. Murray will also bring some strength, rebounding and transition play to the equation as a combo forward as well. If Murray’s catch-and-shoot jumper translates like it should, it’s hard to see him failing.

21. Brooklyn Nets
Kobe Bufkin | 6-4 guard | 19 years old | Michigan
Kobe Bufkin rose up boards this season as he began to outperform most freshmen in college basketball. Bufkin is a sophomore, but he’s actually younger than his teammate Jett Howard and hit college a year earlier than necessary. That fostered some real growth, as Bufkin is in the process of becoming the kind of guard who can successfully play both on and off the ball regularly. He averaged 14 points, 4.5 rebounds and 2.9 assists this season while shooting 48 percent from the field, 35 percent from 3 and 85 percent from the line. No freshman this season averaged at least 14 points, 4.5 rebounds and 2.5 assists, and only Colorado guard K.J. Simpson joined Bufkin on this list among high-major sophomores. Bufkin needs to work on his frame, but he is becoming the preferred Michigan prospect between he and Howard.

The Nets have a couple of picks this year and already have a lot of younger depth players under contract, so they can afford to take a swing on a young guard who could become a starting-quality player in time.


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Post#251 » by Yallbecrazy » Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:23 pm

The mock drafts probably are better than these big boards with the Thompson twins, Nick Smith, JHS, GG Jackson all going high as the teams picking at the top end of the draft probably read these scouting reports or have their own scouts read the reports and regurgitate the information to them.

It's what leads to Doncic not going #1 overall despite being an all time great prospect, Cade (and lol Green) getting picked over Mobley.

Any sort of analytical model would have had Mobley so far above Cade it would be considered a firable offense to pick Cade #1. Considering picking anyone other than Doncic #1 should have lead to league intervention.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#252 » by OakleyDokely » Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:35 pm

Jaylen Williams: 6'6 (Junior): 34.8 MIN, 18.0 PPG, 4.4 REB, 4.2 AST, 1.2 STL, 0.5 BLK, .513 FG, .396 3PT, .809 FT, .601 TS
Colby Jones: 6'5 (Junior): 34.0 MIN, 15.0 PPG, 5.7 REB, 4.4 AST, 1.3 STL, 0.6 BLK, .509 FG, .378 3PT, .653 FT, .580 TS
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Post#253 » by Psubs » Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:39 pm

Yallbecrazy wrote:The mock drafts probably are better than these big boards with the Thompson twins, Nick Smith, JHS, GG Jackson all going high as the teams picking at the top end of the draft probably read these scouting reports or have their own scouts read the reports and regurgitate the information to them.

It's what leads to Doncic not going #1 overall despite being an all time great prospect, Cade (and lol Green) getting picked over Mobley.

Any sort of analytical model would have had Mobley so far above Cade it would be considered a firable offense to pick Cade #1. Considering picking anyone other than Doncic #1 should have lead to league intervention.


Cade has been injured. Or else I could see him playing at a Banchero level (not shooting the 3 well) with less athleticism.

I think he'd be playing at Giddey's or Wagner's level at least. Maybe his career will be more like say a Deron Williams.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#254 » by Psubs » Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:52 pm

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Can he be Devin Booker-lite? He's a little older though like only 1 year of fine play at the age of a junior.

I guess he's leading UConn to the Final Four but would you draft him ahead of Kris Murray that does more rebounding, steals and blocks?
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#255 » by niQ » Wed Mar 29, 2023 2:05 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:I think I like his potential more than anyone else that will realistically be available when we draft. There's clearly the potential to be a damn good player there if he develops properly...creativity off the dribble to score, really good bball IQ, great passer and good defender, I don't know what's not to like.


I remember him being posted in the first 2023 draft thread. Low key, I think if we draft Sidy, OG might actually be traded in the off season.. (well, only if OG REALLY wanted out...of course.)
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#256 » by ATLTimekeeper » Wed Mar 29, 2023 2:17 pm

niQ wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:I think I like his potential more than anyone else that will realistically be available when we draft. There's clearly the potential to be a damn good player there if he develops properly...creativity off the dribble to score, really good bball IQ, great passer and good defender, I don't know what's not to like.


I remember him being posted in the first 2023 draft thread. Low key, I think if we draft Sidy, OG might actually be traded in the off season.. (well, only if OG REALLY wanted out...of course.)


OG might be traded anyway, but I don't think it will be because of an 18 year old that sort of looks like him. I wouldn't be unhappy if we took Cissoko, the rebounding and low scoring numbers are uninspiring in a league where counting stats are easy to come by, but he looks like he'll be a positive impact player regardless. Smart and has some nice agility and his shot looks like it will come around.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#257 » by Yallbecrazy » Wed Mar 29, 2023 2:24 pm

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Yallbecrazy wrote:The mock drafts probably are better than these big boards with the Thompson twins, Nick Smith, JHS, GG Jackson all going high as the teams picking at the top end of the draft probably read these scouting reports or have their own scouts read the reports and regurgitate the information to them.

It's what leads to Doncic not going #1 overall despite being an all time great prospect, Cade (and lol Green) getting picked over Mobley.

Any sort of analytical model would have had Mobley so far above Cade it would be considered a firable offense to pick Cade #1. Considering picking anyone other than Doncic #1 should have lead to league intervention.


Cade has been injured. Or else I could see him playing at a Banchero level (not shooting the 3 well) with less athleticism.

I think he'd be playing at Giddey's or Wagner's level at least. Maybe his career will be more like say a Deron Williams.


I don't think Cade is bad or was a bad prospect, he was really good. Looking at the stats though it isn't close between the two, yet everyone in the media had Cade as the runaway #1.

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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#258 » by WuTang_CMB » Wed Mar 29, 2023 2:26 pm

niQ wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:I think I like his potential more than anyone else that will realistically be available when we draft. There's clearly the potential to be a damn good player there if he develops properly...creativity off the dribble to score, really good bball IQ, great passer and good defender, I don't know what's not to like.


I remember him being posted in the first 2023 draft thread. Low key, I think if we draft Sidy, OG might actually be traded in the off season.. (well, only if OG REALLY wanted out...of course.)


Assuming we don't make core changes.. we need wing and guard depth. Sidy will take time to develop but will be a good piece off the bench. OG probably stays even if we draft him. Plus Thad corpse likely gone. Porter sneezes and gets injured. I expect Boucher traded.

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Siakam - Precious
OG - Sidy
Barnes - Trent
FVV - Upgrade
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Post#259 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Wed Mar 29, 2023 2:27 pm

Grady Dick crashes the glass, dives for loose balls, can put the ball on the floor and doesn't get blown by like a turnstile on defense like that trashcan Jett Howard does. If you think the Raptors defense is garbage now you'd stop watching the team with Jett Howard on it. Dick also doesn't have blatant holes as a shooter whereas Howard's numbers going left after driving or coming off a screen indicate teams will be able to make his life miserable once they figure out how weak he is in that regard. Absolute garbage player who plays soft as hell for a 6'8 jumbo guard. He might be a good cheerleader on an NBA bench who gets 18 mins a night on a bottom dweller team who has nothing better to field. Will be an enigma just like GTJ.
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Post#260 » by BoyzNTheHood » Wed Mar 29, 2023 2:49 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:Jaylen Williams: 6'6 (Junior): 34.8 MIN, 18.0 PPG, 4.4 REB, 4.2 AST, 1.2 STL, 0.5 BLK, .513 FG, .396 3PT, .809 FT, .601 TS
Colby Jones: 6'5 (Junior): 34.0 MIN, 15.0 PPG, 5.7 REB, 4.4 AST, 1.3 STL, 0.6 BLK, .509 FG, .378 3PT, .653 FT, .580 TS

It’s so odd to me that their numbers are so similar. I don’t see them as having a similar playing style at all. And last year I was the one who brought Jalen Williams into these discussions and was largely ignored until the media picked up on him. Then he had a meteoric rise and everyone claimed they were in on him.

Colby Jones is a nice player, there’s no doubt. I just can’t see myself taking him in the lottery like I did with Jalen Williams. I just think with Jalen there were more tools. Elite height to wingspan ratio is so key to his success in the NBA.
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.

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