Masai’s plan moving forward

[bballsparkin]

They originally wanted 2 1sts. No takers, so they lowered the price. Boston was the other interested team, but they didn't include a 1st in their offer. Highly probable other teams weren't interested. Safe to say, they overpaid in terms of draft capital given to them.

It's looking that way. It all comes down to how the FO handles the pending free agents and lack of shooting at this deadline.

Curious, if Boston didn't offer a 1st what in the world did they offer?

[Tor_Raps]

Someone tell me how the Spurs got a lightly protected 1st for an expiring Poeltl and yet we couldn't get anything close for an expiring Lowry and Fred who were both MUCH better players. It was utter stupidity from our management to make such a shortsighted trade.

They have continually failed this franchise since winning a title in 2019. Will always love them for that but they are being paid top dollar to remain at that standard...

Due to the contracts they signed I'm thinking. The Heat knew Lowry wanted to retire in South Beach with his pal Jimmy and were willing to pay him. And we saw the contract Fred got. Why give up much for FVV when you have to fork out $40M+ per season? That contract is bonkers. Lowry and Fred were rentals. Whereas, Jakob's contract is more affordable and the Raptors intended to keep him. Agreed that the trade was shortsighted though. Especially considering the fit of Jakob with our 3 best players. Due to lack of spacing.

The explanation doesn't make sense because no one thought Fred was getting that type of deal. And Lowry was going to anyone that was gonna pay him the extension he wanted... similar to Poeltl.

Yet those teams were willing to wait until free agency even when teams going after Lowry/Fred at the deadline had championship aspirations. Did we really have championship aspirations after trading for Poeltl? Wtf was the point in not waiting for the offseason if the price was this high?

[Tor_Raps]

They originally wanted 2 1sts. No takers, so they lowered the price. Boston was the other interested team, but they didn't include a 1st in their offer. Highly probable other teams weren't interested. Safe to say, they overpaid in terms of draft capital given to them.

It's looking that way. It all comes down to how the FO handles the pending free agents and lack of shooting at this deadline.

Curious, if Boston didn't offer a 1st what in the world did they offer?

Boston wanted Poeltl to be their backup C... pretty much as injury insurance for Robert Williams and Horford. There was practically no market for Poeltl giving up a 1st rounder and we screwed up because our management became desperate from a situation they put themselves in the first place.

They thought Centerless basketball was the future just like they think a PGless basketball is the future if you have enough 6'9 guys. Their "vision" has been extremely flawed and have been stealing money from MLSE since 2020.

[StopitLeo]

Someone tell me how the Spurs got a lightly protected 1st for an expiring Poeltl and yet we couldn't get anything close for an expiring Lowry and Fred who were both MUCH better players. It was utter stupidity from our management to make such a shortsighted trade.

They have continually failed this franchise since winning a title in 2019. Will always love them for that but they are being paid top dollar to remain at that standard...

We have needed a legit starting C for many years and now we have a good one in his prime for 3-4 seasons. A key point is that Poeltl's game will be able to play alongside Scottie regardless of what happens with Pascal, OG, and GTJ. That doesn't seem shortsighted at all. Shortsighted is thinking a 7-30 pick in the coming draft will be the difference maker for the franchise moving forward.

As for Lowry and Fred—it's like selling a house where the value is how much someone is willing to pay for it and not how much you want for it. I mean, we got Kawhi and Danny for DeRozan, Poeltl, and a top 20 protected 1st. That's a terrible return for the Spurs especially when they lost in the 1st round that year and missed the playoffs the next 4 seasons. Oh wait, they then drafted Victor....

Some trades are clearly bad form the start. This isn't one of them.

[bballsparkin]

The explanation doesn't make sense because no one thought Fred was getting that type of deal. And Lowry was going to anyone that was gonna pay him the extension he wanted... similar to Poeltl.

Yet those teams were willing to wait until free agency even when teams going after Lowry/Fred at the deadline had championship aspirations. Did we really have championship aspirations after trading for Poeltl? Wtf was the point in not waiting for the offseason if the price was this high?

Lowry got paid aprox $28M per for three years in his twilight. I doubt many teams wanted to pay him that. Maybe the 76ers as he fits well there. Or an LA team. So that's possible. WTF do I know.

Fred's deal is not that surprising looking back. We all know he wanted the bag. He was under the tutelage of none other than "Get My Money Mr Big Booty" himself. Plus, Houston owes their pick to OKC I believe and they had money to spend in a weak free agency.

As to what this FO is thinking I have no idea. The product currently is tough to watch.

[bballsparkin]

Boston wanted Poeltl to be their backup C... pretty much as injury insurance for Robert Williams and Horford. There was practically no market for Poeltl giving up a 1st rounder and we screwed up because our management became desperate from a situation they put themselves in the first place.

They thought Centerless basketball was the future just like they think a PGless basketball is the future if you have enough 6'9 guys. Their "vision" has been extremely flawed and have been stealing money from MLSE since 2020.

I think you are selling Poeltl a little short here lol. He would have likely been the best backup C in the league if the Celtics got him. Why would the Spurs trade JP to Boston for not even 1 FRP? What else could Boston offer a team like SA that would intrigue them besides picks?

edit: also Boston's picks are in the high 20's. Not exactly appealing when you can get 10th from us!

[Chandan]

Patience has its place and has certainly helped define masais career in the past. It's probably not what this team needs right now (or last 3 years)

Good things don't always come to those who wait.

[Chalky_White]

They originally wanted 2 1sts. No takers, so they lowered the price. Boston was the other interested team, but they didn't include a 1st in their offer. Highly probable other teams weren't interested. Safe to say, they overpaid in terms of draft capital given to them.

It's looking that way. It all comes down to how the FO handles the pending free agents and lack of shooting at this deadline.

Curious, if Boston didn't offer a 1st what in the world did they offer?

Boston wanted Poeltl to be their backup C... pretty much as injury insurance for Robert Williams and Horford. There was practically no market for Poeltl giving up a 1st rounder and we screwed up because our management became desperate from a situation they put themselves in the first place.

They thought Centerless basketball was the future just like they think a PGless basketball is the future if you have enough 6'9 guys. Their "vision" has been extremely flawed and have been stealing money from MLSE since 2020.

Chris Mannix reported at the time that Boston was offering a 1st for Poeltl and thought they had a good chance to get him from Spurs but that the Spurs felt Toronto's 1st was likely to be more valuable and chose them.

[ItsDanger]

https://985thesportshub.com/listicle/celtics-jakob-poeltl-trade-offer-spurs-raptors/

At the time, it was reported Boston didn't offer a 1st. Although nobody really knows for certain of course.

[Mark_83]

Exactly. Drafting is the easiest way to add talent without giving up anything. Now our only avenue this offseason is to trade or sign a free agent. This team desperately needs a scoring guard who can shoot and this draft is looking deep in that commodity (Collier, Dillingham, Boswell, Walter).

It was so dumb to trade a pick with only top 6 protections for the first 3 years for the right to pay Poeltl, who was a upcoming free agent. Even the Mavericks had top 10 protections for the first 3 years of the Porzingis trade (a better player), which allowed them to tank and keep their pick last year. I can't prove it but I just have this feeling Bobby Webster is the one who thought this was a good idea.

I think the logic was that the Spurs wanted 2 FRPs for Jakob. And the Raptors got around that by offering 1 FRP with lower protection. Thus, hoping to convey the pick this year in a draft they were not necessarily enamoured with. And then having control of all future firsts by this off-season. But, then they fumbled the Play-in. Lost NN and FVV. Picked a rookie who is struggling big time. And looks like a team that could miss the play-in.

2 FRP for the bird rights to an expiring Poeltl? That's a ridiculous ask and I would have told them to pound sand. By that logic we should get 3 FRP for OG, and 2 for Pascal even though they're expiring. What makes the trade even worse is Poeltl is clearly not a good fit offensively on our roster with his lack of shooting.

[Tor_Raps]

It's looking that way. It all comes down to how the FO handles the pending free agents and lack of shooting at this deadline.

Curious, if Boston didn't offer a 1st what in the world did they offer?

Boston wanted Poeltl to be their backup C... pretty much as injury insurance for Robert Williams and Horford. There was practically no market for Poeltl giving up a 1st rounder and we screwed up because our management became desperate from a situation they put themselves in the first place.

They thought Centerless basketball was the future just like they think a PGless basketball is the future if you have enough 6'9 guys. Their "vision" has been extremely flawed and have been stealing money from MLSE since 2020.

Chris Mannix reported at the time that Boston was offering a 1st for Poeltl and thought they had a good chance to get him from Spurs but that the Spurs felt Toronto's 1st was likely to be more valuable and chose them.

Ok sure... one of the last picks in the 1st round vs top 6 protected from a team who was right around that range at the time of the trade. Poeltl wasn't sticking around to be the Celtics backup C.

If you wanted Poeltl that badly then go make your case during free agency for a sign and trade like other teams did with much better players in Lowry/Fred. Its not like we were in a championship window that we HAD to make thia trade like other teams were when they wanted Lowry/Fred.

[Scase]

Didn't we say something similar about Fred this offseason?

Huh? FVV didn't get a supermax. I was only nitpicking the quoted poster's prediction that Siakam will get a supermax. He will not be eligible for one unless he makes All-NBA this season, which is impossible now.

It's not the same, but it a similar situation were we have a player, his numbers are down, doesn't look like an all-star, but will probably still get paid out the a**.

He probably won't get a super-max, but he's still gonna get absurd offers.

The big difference is, the Rockets could throw as much money as the CBA would allow at Fred, we are limited to a max. Cause there is not even a snowballs chance in hell Siakam makes All NBA this year lol.

[Tom_Foolery]

Huh? FVV didn't get a supermax. I was only nitpicking the quoted poster's prediction that Siakam will get a supermax. He will not be eligible for one unless he makes All-NBA this season, which is impossible now.

It's not the same, but it a similar situation were we have a player, his numbers are down, doesn't look like an all-star, but will probably still get paid out the a**.

He probably won't get a super-max, but he's still gonna get absurd offers.

The big difference is, the Rockets could throw as much money as the CBA would allow at Fred, we are limited to a max. Cause there is not even a snowballs chance in hell Siakam makes All NBA this year lol.

Honestly, I just want him traded. I don't want to think about anything else but a trade.

We've reached as far as we can go. It's over Masai.

[bballsparkin]

2 FRP for the bird rights to an expiring Poeltl? That's a ridiculous ask and I would have told them to pound sand. By that logic we should get 3 FRP for OG, and 2 for Pascal even though they're expiring. What makes the trade even worse is Poeltl is clearly not a good fit offensively on our roster with his lack of shooting.

All FRPs are not created equal. Raps > Celtics. Jak cost slightly more than the MLE which is a contributing factor. Agreed tho

[Scase]

2 FRP for the bird rights to an expiring Poeltl? That's a ridiculous ask and I would have told them to pound sand. By that logic we should get 3 FRP for OG, and 2 for Pascal even though they're expiring. What makes the trade even worse is Poeltl is clearly not a good fit offensively on our roster with his lack of shooting.

All FRPs are not created equal. Raps > Celtics. Jak cost slightly more than the MLE which is a contributing factor. Agreed tho

It's crazy how people don't realize a top 6 protected pick from a lotto team is worth more than FRPs from a team consistently making the 2nd round/ECF lol

[Ell Curry]

I'm a Masai defender, he brought us a title.

But it sure is annoying that we didn't trade Fred at the deadline for a late first and an expiring, and we might be sitting here with another first rounder in our pocket and Cason Wallace as our 6th man. A lot easier for us to do something like a 1st for Beef Stew or Aldama, and have a mildly stretchy 5 and be able to use Poeltl/Schroeder as our bench fixtures.

Poeltl26/Achiuwa10/Aldama12
Siakam34/Barnes14/Aldama 4
Barnes28/OG20
OG14/Trent28/Cason6
Cason20/Schroeder28

[BHF]

Trading for Onyeka Okongwu and Clint Capela to complete his African dream team.

[OAKLEY_2]

As Michael Grange.
"The Raptors' path? Inscrutable. No one knows what this team is doing or where it’s heading. Championship or bust? No. They bets around here are all hedged."

In other words rebuild if necessary but not necessarily a rebuild. Sounds like a strategy to win at no known juncture by not completely losing the war. For every Embiid there are countless tank busts to numerous to mention.

[OAKLEY_2]

Our team defaults to defence for a reason.

[OAKLEY_2]

It could also be called Roper Dope.