PG: Good Win

[nikster]

This might be hard to wrap your head around but being a fan of the team goes beyond being a fan of the current roster.

Why do you have to be a fan of the current roster to enjoy a win over a great team? We dont have our pick anyway this year so it's not like we're cheering for losses.

I enjoyed last night's win and I'm not a fan of the current roster, so I think we are in agreement here?

Yeah we are. But the guy Shakril and I originally responded too literally said he wouldn't enjoy the win unless it was Scottie that was playing well

[JN]

Only on Raptors Real GM, where we had a good win, where multiple people contributed at various points of the game (Scottie obviously in the crucial4th), do people then react with we must trade people right **** now.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Cavs to.

cavs alright. they have Garland and Mobley. their future is right there.

i wouldn't say bright. they have youth to work with.

I didn’t say bright either lol I said “right there”

[Scase]

Everyone talking about the situation between Pascal and Scottie not coexisting well but OG is quietly having a very low usage offensive season and his ppg is trending downward. Lowered usg% compared to last season, too.

I doubt he's too happy about that. Roster balance goes beyond accomodating Barnes.

I think that the situation with Siakam/Barnes IS the situation about OG as well. With Siakam being moved (hopefully for youth) that would mean OG moves up the pecking order, but another large factor is how much Dennis is taking up.

[Spida888]

Great win last night especially on a b2b and arriving late in TO prior to the game. Precious with a surprisingly good game, that's good to see.

Still baffles me why we're playing McDaniels while Otto is getting a DNPCD. Makes no sense.

[Chandan]

cavs alright. they have Garland and Mobley. their future is right there.

i wouldn't say bright. they have youth to work with.

I didn’t say bright either lol I said “right there”

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[Scase]

Only on Raptors Real GM, where we had a good win, where multiple people contributed at various points of the game (Scottie obviously in the crucial4th), do people then react with we must trade people right **** now.

I get being happy with the win, they played a great game, but it doesn't make the existing issues go away.

Unless you mean just talking about it in the PG thread, that's a different story lol.

[MoMan24]

Everyone talking about the situation between Pascal and Scottie not coexisting well but OG is quietly having a very low usage offensive season and his ppg is trending downward. Lowered usg% compared to last season, too.

I doubt he's too happy about that. Roster balance goes beyond accomodating Barnes.

I think that the situation with Siakam/Barnes IS the situation about OG as well. With Siakam being moved (hopefully for youth) that would mean OG moves up the pecking order, but another large factor is how much Dennis is taking up.

Bingo. There was never enough meat on the bone for Fred/Pascal/OG/Scottie last year. There is not enough meat on the bone this year for Dennis/Pascal/OG/Scottie. So either you remove one from the equation or someone(s) are always outside looking in. Simple solution is tell Dennis the worst player of the 4, who the team didn't invest much in, who won't be here long to chill out but that's Darko's basketball son so he is a franchise cornerstone. Heck he might be here for a while too LOL

[Tripod]

Everyone talking about the situation between Pascal and Scottie not coexisting well but OG is quietly having a very low usage offensive season and his ppg is trending downward. Lowered usg% compared to last season, too.

I doubt he's too happy about that. Roster balance goes beyond accomodating Barnes.

Not surprising.

People want Barnes engaged right from the get-go but watch how we start games. Dennis feeds Yak in pnr's over and over and Siakam is the dump off guy if that play closes off. Barnes and OG are told to stay to the outside in shooters spots while the other 3 create. They are the 4th and 5th options in the starting lineup.

And for Barnes, he comes out 5-6 minutes in having barely touched the ball. Then he has been expected to "run" the 2nd unit....yet do so by standing in a shooters spot while Achiuwa is featured in the hub with Flynn. Last night in the 4th Q, we saw Barnes and Achiuwa get switched by Darko and we saw a massive difference. Barnes was actually able to run the offense, call his own number, and also assisted on a 3 by Achiuwa.

It's why personally, with this lineup, I wish Dennis and Yak were the 1st 2 guys off....then they can pnr all day with the bench units and no one would care. It would get everyone more involved in the 1st Q and hopefully lead to better results.

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[goinrogue]

It was a nice win, but it doesn’t change the fact that keeping OG over Pascal is important. We will likely have to max out OG to keep him so keeping pascal is unlikely.
It doesn’t change the fact that Scottie is best when he has the ball in his hands at the top of the key. This will require Dennis being comfortable letting go of the ball, which is debatable if he will.
It doesn’t change the fact that having Scottie stand in the corner to shoot 3s is a terrible use of his talents and can’t continue.

[YogurtProducer]

Everyone talking about the situation between Pascal and Scottie not coexisting well but OG is quietly having a very low usage offensive season and his ppg is trending downward. Lowered usg% compared to last season, too.

I doubt he's too happy about that. Roster balance goes beyond accomodating Barnes.

I think that the situation with Siakam/Barnes IS the situation about OG as well. With Siakam being moved (hopefully for youth) that would mean OG moves up the pecking order, but another large factor is how much Dennis is taking up.

OG should not be moving up the pecking order

We saw what happens when he gets more usage. He misses shots, turns it over, and his defense slips.

The guy just simply is a 4th/5th option. That is it.

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[YogurtProducer]

Everyone talking about the situation between Pascal and Scottie not coexisting well but OG is quietly having a very low usage offensive season and his ppg is trending downward. Lowered usg% compared to last season, too.

I doubt he's too happy about that. Roster balance goes beyond accomodating Barnes.

I think that the situation with Siakam/Barnes IS the situation about OG as well. With Siakam being moved (hopefully for youth) that would mean OG moves up the pecking order, but another large factor is how much Dennis is taking up.

Bingo. There was never enough meat on the bone for Fred/Pascal/OG/Scottie last year. There is not enough meat on the bone this year for Dennis/Pascal/OG/Scottie. So either you remove one from the equation or someone(s) are always outside looking in. Simple solution is tell Dennis the worst player of the 4, who the team didn't invest much in, who won't be here long to chill out but that's Darko's basketball son so he is a franchise cornerstone. Heck he might be here for a while too LOL

Pascal/Scottie are 2nd options in best case scenarios, Dennis like a 3rd/4th, and OG is a 4th/5th. How is there possibly an issue about not enough meat on the bone

[ItsDanger]

Only on Raptors Real GM, where we had a good win, where multiple people contributed at various points of the game (Scottie obviously in the crucial4th), do people then react with we must trade people right **** now.

That's how you sell high.

[Scase]

Everyone talking about the situation between Pascal and Scottie not coexisting well but OG is quietly having a very low usage offensive season and his ppg is trending downward. Lowered usg% compared to last season, too.

I doubt he's too happy about that. Roster balance goes beyond accomodating Barnes.

I think that the situation with Siakam/Barnes IS the situation about OG as well. With Siakam being moved (hopefully for youth) that would mean OG moves up the pecking order, but another large factor is how much Dennis is taking up.

OG should not be moving up the pecking order

We saw what happens when he gets more usage. He misses shots, turns it over, and his defense slips.

The guy just simply is a 4th/5th option. That is it.

Pecking order doesn't have to mean more responsibilities, rather just more chances to score. I would happily take 2-4 FGA away from Dennis/Siakam and give them to OG for 3PA. I definitely don't want him trying to dribble into the paint and falling like bambi on ice any more than we already get lol.

[YogurtProducer]

Also, Scottie with a shot at Darko/Dennis in that post game interview.

Paraphrasing:
Q: What allowed you to do what you did in the 4th?
A: Getting the ball at the top of the key and being able to distribute to my teammates.

If Scottie wants the ball at the top of the key then he should show this consistently. Not half ass it until the 4th quarter every game.

It makes literally no sense with this narrative that the team somehow knows Scottie is capable of this and we just decide to ignore him for 75% of the game. Can anyone explain why Siakam or Dennis or Darko willingly put Scottie in the backseat and then unleash him in the 4th? Can you imagine having that conversation with a player(s)?

No - the more logical reason (and the tough pill for some fans to swallow) is that Scottie has effort level issues right now and has since day 1. When he does not get the ball every possession he has a tendency to pout a bit and he lets it effect his effort level all across the court. I am sure he will get over it as he is still 22, but we cannot deny that the 4th quarter last night was the best basketball Scottie has played in like 2 weeks.

[YogurtProducer]

I think that the situation with Siakam/Barnes IS the situation about OG as well. With Siakam being moved (hopefully for youth) that would mean OG moves up the pecking order, but another large factor is how much Dennis is taking up.

OG should not be moving up the pecking order

We saw what happens when he gets more usage. He misses shots, turns it over, and his defense slips.

The guy just simply is a 4th/5th option. That is it.

Pecking order doesn't have to mean more responsibilities, rather just more chances to score. I would happily take 2-4 FGA away from Dennis/Siakam and give them to OG for 3PA. I definitely don't want him trying to dribble into the paint and falling like bambi on ice any more than we already get lol.

You think OG is capable of putting up 8-10 three's a night? That is elite volume generally only arrived at by guys who can handle a handful of pull up 3's a game, and OG is not an elite shooter.

OG is 73rd in the NBA in FGA/game. That is more than adequate for a guy of his offensive stature.

[ill-Will03]

The funny part is, in a few years when we have a new young player with some potential. Then Scottie will become the scapegoat holding that player back. I swear only raptors fans are this stupid.

[Scase]

OG should not be moving up the pecking order

We saw what happens when he gets more usage. He misses shots, turns it over, and his defense slips.

The guy just simply is a 4th/5th option. That is it.

Pecking order doesn't have to mean more responsibilities, rather just more chances to score. I would happily take 2-4 FGA away from Dennis/Siakam and give them to OG for 3PA. I definitely don't want him trying to dribble into the paint and falling like bambi on ice any more than we already get lol.

You think OG is capable of putting up 8-10 three's a night? That is elite volume generally only arrived at by guys who can handle a handful of pull up 3's a game, and OG is not an elite shooter.

OG is 73rd in the NBA in FGA/game. That is more than adequate for a guy of his offensive stature.

He's got career averages of 38%, and 38.5% since 2020-21 where he has averaged 6 3PA a game, I dont see how an additional 2 shots is going to all of a sudden tank his efficiency. He virtually never takes a bad 3.

2022-23 he had 14 games where he took 8+ and shot 37.2%
2021-22 he had 15 games where he took 8+ and shot 34.8%
2020-21 he had 11 games where he took 8+ and shot 42.2%

I'm pretty confident that he could manage 8 a game at 36-37%.

He's currently 11th in the NBA at 41.5% when adjusted for 6 3PA/g. That's pretty elite to me.

[YogurtProducer]

Pecking order doesn't have to mean more responsibilities, rather just more chances to score. I would happily take 2-4 FGA away from Dennis/Siakam and give them to OG for 3PA. I definitely don't want him trying to dribble into the paint and falling like bambi on ice any more than we already get lol.

You think OG is capable of putting up 8-10 three's a night? That is elite volume generally only arrived at by guys who can handle a handful of pull up 3's a game, and OG is not an elite shooter.

OG is 73rd in the NBA in FGA/game. That is more than adequate for a guy of his offensive stature.

He's got career averages of 38%, and 38.5% since 2020-21 where he has averaged 6 3PA a game, I dont see how an additional 2 shots is going to all of a sudden tank his efficiency. He virtually never takes a bad 3.

2022-23 he had 14 games where he took 8+ and shot 37.2%
2021-22 he had 15 games where he took 8+ and shot 34.8%
2020-21 he had 11 games where he took 8+ and shot 42.2%

I'm pretty confident that he could manage 8 a game at 36-37%.

I dont think you understand how hard it is to get off 8+ 3's per game. ESPECIALLY for a guy who is horrible dribbling (so you can eliminate pull-up 3's), is not agile enough to come around screens off-ball, and is pretty much stuck being a straight catch and shoot guy. There are virtually no guys like OG's skillset taking more 3's than OG is right now.