Raptors Shopping Brown [Source]

[Merit]

If Knicks don't get that star, they need a role player who's a better shooter/scorer than Bruce who's more the Swiss Army knife type. He's not what they need

If Thibs is still coach, which he almost certainly will be, Brown is exactly what they need. Thibs needs lots of Swiss army knives who can handle the ball, rebound, defend, and score when needed.

Plus bogdan is injured. Hardly played. Bruce is at least an upgrade for them and relatively low cost if its just the bucks pick

After the Indy series, I hope recency bias comes into play. Bruce is legit defensively and the Knicks have enough to get a star even if they send us the bucks first - especially if they move on from Randle. I’d do it, but not before exhausting every other option. I still like Wiggins more than this.

[Merit]

Might not be able to polish a turd, but you may be able to put a bit of a buff on a turd.

Actually, you can polish a dinosaur turd.

[will]

Might not be able to polish a turd, but you may be able to put a bit of a buff on a turd.

Actually, you can polish a dinosaur turd.

[WaltFrazier]

If Thibs is still coach, which he almost certainly will be, Brown is exactly what they need. Thibs needs lots of Swiss army knives who can handle the ball, rebound, defend, and score when needed.

Plus bogdan is injured. Hardly played. Bruce is at least an upgrade for them and relatively low cost if its just the bucks pick

After the Indy series, I hope recency bias comes into play. Bruce is legit defensively and the Knicks have enough to get a star even if they send us the bucks first - especially if they move on from Randle. I’d do it, but not before exhausting every other option. I still like Wiggins more than this.

How about Wiggins to Knicks then.

[Merit]

Plus bogdan is injured. Hardly played. Bruce is at least an upgrade for them and relatively low cost if its just the bucks pick

After the Indy series, I hope recency bias comes into play. Bruce is legit defensively and the Knicks have enough to get a star even if they send us the bucks first - especially if they move on from Randle. I’d do it, but not before exhausting every other option. I still like Wiggins more than this.

How about Wiggins to Knicks then.

If we get OG in return? Count me in!

[OakleyDokely]

Brown is still a good rotation player, especially for a contender, and his expiring contract allow for financial flexibility in the 2025 offseason. He should still be easily moveable.

[ArthurVandelay]

Brown is still a good rotation player, especially for a contender, and his expiring contract allow for financial flexibility in the 2025 offseason. He should still be easily moveable.

I agree

I think this has become a cliché expression, but doesn't make it not true. I think the deals that were available at the trade deadline for Bruce will be there on draft night (i.e. 2024 1sts). Remains to be seen if anything else is available.

[Steelo Green]

There are many better players than Brown making less money and some even expiring.

His value is probably a couple of seconds at best.

[OakleyDokely]

His value will be dependent on what you're taking back. If you're taking back contracts with more term, you will get more than if you're taking back other expiring deals.

The most likely structure of a deal is the Raps taking back a contract with 2-3 years left and getting a solid prospect and/or pick in return, which is what rebuilding teams should be doing.

Lets say the Hawks want to get off Hunter, they attach a prospect like Griffin or a protected pick with him for a season of Brown and his expiring. If the opposing team is giving back the Raps other expiring contracts, ya, Brown won't bring much value back. He isn't a star.

[MiamiSPX]

Lets say the Hawks want to get off Hunter, they attach a prospect like Griffin or a protected pick with him for a season of Brown and his expiring. If the opposing team is giving back the Raps other expiring contracts, ya, Brown won't bring much value back. He isn't a star.

That's exactly the type of deal that will happen, if any. Someone like Huerter or Hunter who fit our timeline, it's debatable whether they are good or not, need a fresh start, and helps the trading partner get off some term. I'm fine with either as long as there is some sweetener in it for us.

[mihaic]

If Brown is traded before the draft, wouldn't he be eligible to be waived by the new team? Perhaps we can take a 1 year contract and a first for soon-2-be-waived Brown. Saves a team 20m in cap space.

[Scase]

Denver and New York need secondary scoring. They're not giving up anything for Bruce Brown. He's not what they need

You also can't trade Poeltl unless you can replace him with a young version of himself. You don't want Olynyk or Barnes as the starting 5. I doubt they trade Poeltl this season

If the plan is to be a bottom 5 team you absolutely can. Ideally they would draft a C this year and trade him considering next year is looking to be a rather deep/strong draft.

[Mark_83]

I can't really see an obvious fit for a Brown trade. I thought back to Denver at first but they don't have the salaries to move out. It would require a third team to make work.

Atlanta looks like a team that is on the verge of major change, with the Young trade rumors and the #1 pick coming. I could see them wanting to get out from under Hunter's contract for assets.

Brown to Atlanta for Hunter + Griffin + 2025 FRP (via SAC)

[PoundTown]

I can't really see an obvious fit for a Brown trade. I thought back to Denver at first but they don't have the salaries to move out. It would require a third team to make work.

Atlanta looks like a team that is on the verge of major change, with the Young trade rumors and the #1 pick coming. I could see them wanting to get out from under Hunter's contract for assets.

Brown to Atlanta for Hunter + Griffin + 2025 FRP (via SAC)

Chicago for Lonzo and Carter and pcik or Dalen Terry if you believe in him
GSW for Wiggs or CP3
LAL for Gabe Vincent and 2nd or JHS or something.

[ForeverTFC]

After the Indy series, I hope recency bias comes into play. Bruce is legit defensively and the Knicks have enough to get a star even if they send us the bucks first - especially if they move on from Randle. I’d do it, but not before exhausting every other option. I still like Wiggins more than this.

How about Wiggins to Knicks then.

If we get OG in return? Count me in!

Siakam for IQ, Barrett, Kelly Olynyk, Ochai Agbaji, 2024 1st round pick, 2024 2nd round pick, 2026 1st round pick. Noice.

[ForeverTFC]

Denver and New York need secondary scoring. They're not giving up anything for Bruce Brown. He's not what they need

You also can't trade Poeltl unless you can replace him with a young version of himself. You don't want Olynyk or Barnes as the starting 5. I doubt they trade Poeltl this season

If the plan is to be a bottom 5 team you absolutely can. Ideally they would draft a C this year and trade him considering next year is looking to be a rather deep/strong draft.

They're not going into the season to purposefully tank with an incomplete roster, that's just not how this - or most - NBA teams operate. Even Prestie fields complete teams to start his seasons, he just sits them out a ton.

[ArthurVandelay]

If Brown is traded before the draft, wouldn't he be eligible to be waived by the new team? Perhaps we can take a 1 year contract and a first for soon-2-be-waived Brown. Saves a team 20m in cap space.

Except you can’t do that

You use to be able to do that about 2-3 CBAs ago

Now if you trade Brown you have To pick up his option first

[Rapsfan07]

If Brown is traded before the draft, wouldn't he be eligible to be waived by the new team? Perhaps we can take a 1 year contract and a first for soon-2-be-waived Brown. Saves a team 20m in cap space.

No. Brown's option must be picked up if he's being traded

[mihaic]

^^^ Thanks for the answer, I wasn't aware that changed

[Scase]

Denver and New York need secondary scoring. They're not giving up anything for Bruce Brown. He's not what they need

You also can't trade Poeltl unless you can replace him with a young version of himself. You don't want Olynyk or Barnes as the starting 5. I doubt they trade Poeltl this season

If the plan is to be a bottom 5 team you absolutely can. Ideally they would draft a C this year and trade him considering next year is looking to be a rather deep/strong draft.

They're not going into the season to purposefully tank with an incomplete roster, that's just not how this - or most - NBA teams operate. Even Prestie fields complete teams to start his seasons, he just sits them out a ton.

I guess I'll need your definition of a complete roster. If we draft a C this year and move Jak, that's still a complete roster, is it not?