Raptors attempting to trade up in the draft

[Duffman100]

His age, that's literally it

Dude is 28 he has at least 4 or more prime years left. He's under contract for 3 more years. And that 19.5 is going to seem like a bargain in two years. It's not like he's 35.

While I didn't like the Poeltl trade at all, people act as if the pick was gone for completely nothing.

This exactly where we have a good center at a good price while we develop people. He set great screens, he's a good passer and a good drop defensive big.

If we decide to keep him around during these years, he acts as a stabilizing force for the development of young players. Something that my guess is that people who actually do this for a living value as a positive.

[ForeverTFC]

Funny the anti tankers were telling us it’s a weak draft. Same weak draft we traded in to with Siakam deal and same weak draft we’re looking to move up in.

What's funny is your lack of reasoning skills. Ever heard of buy low and sell high? Ever pass up on something at full price but buy it when it goes on sale?

Houston is trying to sell number 3 for a lower pick + a starter and the league is balking at that asking price. NO is thinking of selling the 21st pick for future 2nd rounders. Teams think the value of 3-5 is pretty much the same as 12-15. Does that sounds like a strong draft to you?

BTW - teams explore moving up and down every year. The Raptors have been looking to move up every other year Masai has been at the helm. The rationale for doing so and ability to do so are not simply dependent on how good the draft is. The cost is also a factor.

EDIT: Also the nerve of a guy with the username "2019nbachamps" calling out "anti-tankers". If it was up to the tankers on this forum, your username would never exist. They've been trying to tank since 2017 bud. So excuse those of us who wanted to give a team that had just finished as the 5th seed with the ROY a chance to do something, given what we had to go through on this forum in the Lowry and DeRozan era. Lowry is loved now, but your glorious "tankers" used to called him a money hungry choker that would never be able to win.

[dkb964]

Claxton will 100% be getting more than 20 per, especially with the cap rising

Then why do Raptors fans want to get rid of Poeltl so badly when he is a better player and paid a bit less then 20M a year?

His age, that's literally it

That does make sense. It would be nice if he was a few years younger for sure. He is in the prime years of his career though and it is good to have vets that can actually be a big part of the team and not the Garret Temple types wasting roster spots. The only other center is Olynyk who is five years older then Poeltl. The Raptors are not going to go into a season tanking from the start. They tanked for a third of last season and how did that work out? Not well.

[2019nbachamps]

Funny the anti tankers were telling us it’s a weak draft. Same weak draft we traded in to with Siakam deal and same weak draft we’re looking to move up in.

What's funny is your lack of reasoning skills. Ever heard of buy low and sell high? Ever pass up on something at full price but buy it when it goes on sale?

Houston is trying to sell number 3 for a lower pick + a starter and the league is balking at that asking price. NO is thinking of selling the 21st pick for future 2nd rounders. Teams think the value of 3-5 is pretty much the same as 12-15. Does that sounds like a strong draft to you?

BTW - teams explore moving up and down every year. The Raptors have been looking to move up every other year Masai has been at the helm. The rationale for doing so and ability to do so are not simply dependent on how good the draft is. The cost is also a factor.

EDIT: Also the nerve of a guy with the username "2019nbachamps" calling out "anti-tankers". If it was up to the tankers on this forum, your username would never exist. They've been trying to tank since 2017 bud. So excuse those of us who wanted to give a team that had just finished as the 5th seed with the ROY a chance to do something, given what we had to go through on this forum in the Lowry and DeRozan era. Lowry is loved now, but your glorious "tankers" used to called him a money hungry choker that would never be able to win.

I’ve also heard of buy high and sell low which is what Masai has been doing lately

[Purple+Black]

Funny the anti tankers were telling us it’s a weak draft. Same weak draft we traded in to with Siakam deal and same weak draft we’re looking to move up in.

What's funny is your lack of reasoning skills. Ever heard of buy low and sell high? Ever pass up on something at full price but buy it when it goes on sale?

Houston is trying to sell number 3 for a lower pick + a starter and the league is balking at that asking price. NO is thinking of selling the 21st pick for future 2nd rounders. Teams think the value of 3-5 is pretty much the same as 12-15. Does that sounds like a strong draft to you?

BTW - teams explore moving up and down every year. The Raptors have been looking to move up every other year Masai has been at the helm. The rationale for doing so and ability to do so are not simply dependent on how good the draft is. The cost is also a factor.

EDIT: Also the nerve of a guy with the username "2019nbachamps" calling out "anti-tankers". If it was up to the tankers on this forum, your username would never exist. They've been trying to tank since 2017 bud. So excuse those of us who wanted to give a team that had just finished as the 5th seed with the ROY a chance to do something, given what we had to go through on this forum in the Lowry and DeRozan era. Lowry is loved now, but your glorious "tankers" used to called him a money hungry choker that would never be able to win.

I’ve also heard of buy high and sell low which is what Masai has been doing lately

Who exactly has he bought high and sold low lately?

[Psubs]

His age, that's literally it

Dude is 28 he has at least 4 or more prime years left. He's under contract for 3 more years. And that 19.5 is going to seem like a bargain in two years. It's not like he's 35.

While I didn't like the Poeltl trade at all, people act as if the pick was gone for completely nothing.

This exactly where we have a good center at a good price while we develop people. He set great screens, he's a good passer and a good drop defensive big.

If we decide to keep him around during these years, he acts as a stabilizing force for the development of young players. Something that my guess is that people who actually do this for a living value as a positive.

Poeltl was a free agent the following year. It wasn't imminent to trade for him then.

[RoteSchroder]

Funny the anti tankers were telling us it’s a weak draft. Same weak draft we traded in to with Siakam deal and same weak draft we’re looking to move up in.

What's funny is your lack of reasoning skills. Ever heard of buy low and sell high? Ever pass up on something at full price but buy it when it goes on sale?

Houston is trying to sell number 3 for a lower pick + a starter and the league is balking at that asking price. NO is thinking of selling the 21st pick for future 2nd rounders. Teams think the value of 3-5 is pretty much the same as 12-15. Does that sounds like a strong draft to you?

BTW - teams explore moving up and down every year. The Raptors have been looking to move up every other year Masai has been at the helm. The rationale for doing so and ability to do so are not simply dependent on how good the draft is. The cost is also a factor.

EDIT: Also the nerve of a guy with the username "2019nbachamps" calling out "anti-tankers". If it was up to the tankers on this forum, your username would never exist. They've been trying to tank since 2017 bud. So excuse those of us who wanted to give a team that had just finished as the 5th seed with the ROY a chance to do something, given what we had to go through on this forum in the Lowry and DeRozan era. Lowry is loved now, but your glorious "tankers" used to called him a money hungry choker that would never be able to win.

To add to that, it's a weak draft up top, but supposedly a deep draft.

And if management identifies one good player that they like who could go top 10, then there's nothing wrong with shooting their shot (unless they have a brain fart in terms of player evaluation). It ultimately doesn't matter whether the other 9 players are mediocre or busts.

[deeps6x]

I don’t know why SAC does it? Barnes is a solid starter who defends and hits 3s. He makes around $18m a season. He’s more valuable than Brown so SAC, a team that wants to make the playoffs, trades for a worse player and they move down in the draft? Doesn’t make a lot of sense.

Brown was a 6th man on a contender just a year ago and had a key role on Indiana before he was traded here. He can play a big role on a competitive team. The Kings do it because of what I outlined. They have an expiring to go fishing at the deadline, if they want, whereas Barnes' deal at his age is more prohibitive.

I like Brown to the KIngs for the reasons you've mentioned. However, they have to work with the tax line in mind, so any move has to be at least salary neutral for them, even if Monk leaves. at the same time, I think Barnes is more valuable to them than Huerter, so I see the preferred move being Brown & 19 for Huerter, Vezenkov and 13. This saves them about $2 million under the tax, and creates a $6.5 million TPE. It also folds the cost of moving Vezenkov, which they're virtually certain to do, into acquiring Brown. On Toronto's side, Vezenkov is expiring, and may be more useful than Boucher or McDaniels, and Huerter should be moveable for other assets.

I actually can see the benefit to this trade for both teams, if I squint hard enough.

I expect it would be Brown and #19 for Huerter, Vezenkov and #13. Yes, it works without Vezenkov. Yes it could also work with Barnes instead of Huerter. But for Sac to sell it to their fans, who know Vezenkov wants out, and know Huerter sucks, they need a better player coming back in the deal, along with cost savings, to be willing to trade back in the draft. Throwing in Vezenkov keeps the team from taking a loss on his deal. Brown IS better then Huerter. Brown is NOT better then Barnes. Brown also lets them get off of the EXTRA $18 million Huerter is owed in 2026.

To be of a benefit to the Raptors, they need to hope Vezenkov, (a former Euroleague MVP), can give them something that he couldn't give to the Kings (for whatever reason). They would also HAVE to be targeting a player that just won't be available at #19 that they really love (Edey? McCain?). Otherwise why pick up the Brown option, take on two bad contracts AND the extra $18M?

If I was the Raptors, I'd also be insisting on a 2nd round pick in 2025 (at minimum), but probably asking for one in 2026 as well.

Basically we'd be paying about $19M to move up 6 spots in a crap, flattish, draft. There has to be a little extra incentive, like the 2nd round picks, to make this deal. Now, if they won't kick in 2nds, then at least make them take back McDaniels. It costs them a little next season, but still saves them the $18M on Huerter's deal the following season. And who knows, maybe both teams will have some luck rehabbing each other's bad signings from last season. Maybe McDaniels works out for them and Vezenkov works out for us. Both would be expiring deals if it doesn't work, so no big deal, and at least it would offer the fans of both teams a little hope for something different next season.

It just seems like it would be easier to trade Poeltl to move up in this draft, if they really wanted to, and that it would also help them tank a bit for the 2025 draft. Falling back 3-4 draft spots from wherever they might wind up WITH HIM, could be very advantageous considering how stacked 2025 is supposed to be.

[JShuttlesworth]

I don't see Masai moving Jakob, and so the only way I see us moving up is if we trade with Chicago

It might work if Masai is targeting a guys like Williams or Salaun (or someone in that range) and they're still on the board at #11

[deeps6x]

I'd love to see the Raptors trade DOWN in this draft. #31 for #34 and #40. I don't think Portland would take that offer, but if we could throw in some kind of sweetener, maybe cash or some only slightly Portland biased trade of players (Freeman-Liberty or Agbaji or Boucher for nearly matching salary), then we could take an extra player of the ones that will be available in that range.

Instead of Edwards or McCullar, I'd rather have two possible shots at future success, like two of (Diadet, Djurisic, AJ Johnson, Dillon Jones, or even Cam Spencer). All of these second rounders have a high probability of being busts, but I'd still like to try to double my odds of at least one of them turning into a rotation player.

[agkagk]

Funny the anti tankers were telling us it’s a weak draft. Same weak draft we traded in to with Siakam deal and same weak draft we’re looking to move up in.

What's funny is your lack of reasoning skills. Ever heard of buy low and sell high? Ever pass up on something at full price but buy it when it goes on sale?

Houston is trying to sell number 3 for a lower pick + a starter and the league is balking at that asking price. NO is thinking of selling the 21st pick for future 2nd rounders. Teams think the value of 3-5 is pretty much the same as 12-15. Does that sounds like a strong draft to you?

BTW - teams explore moving up and down every year. The Raptors have been looking to move up every other year Masai has been at the helm. The rationale for doing so and ability to do so are not simply dependent on how good the draft is. The cost is also a factor.

EDIT: Also the nerve of a guy with the username "2019nbachamps" calling out "anti-tankers". If it was up to the tankers on this forum, your username would never exist. They've been trying to tank since 2017 bud. So excuse those of us who wanted to give a team that had just finished as the 5th seed with the ROY a chance to do something, given what we had to go through on this forum in the Lowry and DeRozan era. Lowry is loved now, but your glorious "tankers" used to called him a money hungry choker that would never be able to win.

I’ve also heard of buy high and sell low which is what Masai has been doing lately

Quick and rj for og


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[ItsDanger]

If their #6 overall prospect on their draft board fell to #15, would they trade up? Or sit on their hands and just take whoever is left at #19? The past has indicated which direction but it doesn't have to remain that way.

[Tha Cynic]

If their #6 overall prospect on their draft board fell to #15, would they trade up? Or sit on their hands and just take whoever is left at #19? The past has indicated which direction but it doesn't have to remain that way.

They have shown an ability to identify elite talent, but have also overvalued their own players so they don't end up giving up what is required to acquire that talent by moving a bit higher

[Scase]

If their #6 overall prospect on their draft board fell to #15, would they trade up? Or sit on their hands and just take whoever is left at #19? The past has indicated which direction but it doesn't have to remain that way.

They have shown an ability to identify elite talent, but have also overvalued their own players so they don't end up giving up what is required to acquire that talent by moving a bit higher

Choice paralysis is the calling card of the FOs tenure since the chip. I sadly dont see much changing in that aspect as of late.

[PhilBlackson]

I know the Yao comparison gets thrown around for Zach but YM really had much better footwork, shooting touch & actually looks lighter and more mobile.

Watch on YouTube

I'm just pointing it out because I think some people are looking at the somewhat similar physical appearance but either not quite remembering or just hadn't actually watched him. Right Zach is a lot more about bully ball, backing down a guy then going over his left should for a hook with his right hand. He needs a lot more work on his up & unders, finishing with both hands and being able to pull up & fadeway from the mid before he ever truly resembles Yao....and that's quite a lot of work tbh.

It's why I think some posters need to temper their excitement. Yao's game is closer to Duncan (offensively but still not as good as TD) and Zach's is probably more on par with Valanciunas. Getting a taller JV is obviously not the worst thing at 19 but I just see the non-stop talk about him and feel like people are really starting to get a little too excited by the idea lol. I still think there can/will be some better options available, although again I have no issue drafting him as long as we trade Yak somewhere else to either get that MEM pick or for a player at a greater position of need ie/ SF.

[Psubs]

I'd love to see the Raptors trade DOWN in this draft. #31 for #34 and #40. I don't think Portland would take that offer, but if we could throw in some kind of sweetener, maybe cash or some only slightly Portland biased trade of players (Freeman-Liberty or Agbaji or Boucher for nearly matching salary), then we could take an extra player of the ones that will be available in that range.

Instead of Edwards or McCullar, I'd rather have two possible shots at future success, like two of (Diadet, Djurisic, AJ Johnson, Dillon Jones, or even Cam Spencer). All of these second rounders have a high probability of being busts, but I'd still like to try to double my odds of at least one of them turning into a rotation player.

I would like to trade up #19 with any of Brown, Boucher, Agbaji and trade down from #31 to gain another 2nd pick.

[PhilBlackson]

I'd love to see the Raptors trade DOWN in this draft. #31 for #34 and #40. I don't think Portland would take that offer, but if we could throw in some kind of sweetener, maybe cash or some only slightly Portland biased trade of players (Freeman-Liberty or Agbaji or Boucher for nearly matching salary), then we could take an extra player of the ones that will be available in that range.

Instead of Edwards or McCullar, I'd rather have two possible shots at future success, like two of (Diadet, Djurisic, AJ Johnson, Dillon Jones, or even Cam Spencer). All of these second rounders have a high probability of being busts, but I'd still like to try to double my odds of at least one of them turning into a rotation player.

I would like to trade up #19 with any of Brown, Boucher, Agbaji and trade down from #31 to gain another 2nd pick.

I actually feel the opposite way...

I'd rather use that 31st to trade back into the late 1st.

There are a lineup of names that are likely to be snatched up in the 20s (ie/ possibly Carrington on the high side, Smith, Furphy, Tyson, Baylor, Holmes etc..). I'd much rather trade back up to ensure we get another guy with a higher floor that's more likely to ensure we get another decent rotation piece than fall further down and just take a couple of flyers.

[deeps6x]

I'd love to see the Raptors trade DOWN in this draft. #31 for #34 and #40. I don't think Portland would take that offer, but if we could throw in some kind of sweetener, maybe cash or some only slightly Portland biased trade of players (Freeman-Liberty or Agbaji or Boucher for nearly matching salary), then we could take an extra player of the ones that will be available in that range.

Instead of Edwards or McCullar, I'd rather have two possible shots at future success, like two of (Diadet, Djurisic, AJ Johnson, Dillon Jones, or even Cam Spencer). All of these second rounders have a high probability of being busts, but I'd still like to try to double my odds of at least one of them turning into a rotation player.

I would like to trade up #19 with any of Brown, Boucher, Agbaji and trade down from #31 to gain another 2nd pick.

Yep.
Trade up to #13 with the Kings. (#13+Huerter+Veznekov for #19+Brown+McDaniels)
and/or
Tradeup to #9 with Memphis. (#9+Kennard for Poeltl) This works by itself, or they could throw in LaRavia or Konchar if they want to toss us a little more salary (hell, we'll take both of them).

Maybe try #19+#31 for #24+#25. If the Knicks really covet someone that's fallen to #19 unexpectedly.

Then find a way to make #31 for #34 and #40 work.

[PhilBlackson]

I'd love to see the Raptors trade DOWN in this draft. #31 for #34 and #40. I don't think Portland would take that offer, but if we could throw in some kind of sweetener, maybe cash or some only slightly Portland biased trade of players (Freeman-Liberty or Agbaji or Boucher for nearly matching salary), then we could take an extra player of the ones that will be available in that range.

Instead of Edwards or McCullar, I'd rather have two possible shots at future success, like two of (Diadet, Djurisic, AJ Johnson, Dillon Jones, or even Cam Spencer). All of these second rounders have a high probability of being busts, but I'd still like to try to double my odds of at least one of them turning into a rotation player.

I would like to trade up #19 with any of Brown, Boucher, Agbaji and trade down from #31 to gain another 2nd pick.

Yep.
Trade up to #13 with the Kings. (#13+Huerter+Veznekov for #19+Brown+McDaniels)
and/or
Tradeup to #9 with Memphis. (#9+Kennard for Poeltl) This works by itself, or they could throw in LaRavia or Konchar if they want to toss us a little more salary (hell, we'll take both of them).

Maybe try #19+#31 for #24+#25. If the Knicks really covet someone that's fallen to #19 unexpectedly.

Then find a way to make #31 for #34 and #40 work.

Sorry my guy but there's no way in hell we're adding 4 rookies in one season.

[Tripod]

His age, that's literally it

Dude is 28 he has at least 4 or more prime years left. He's under contract for 3 more years. And that 19.5 is going to seem like a bargain in two years. It's not like he's 35.

And people forget, Gasol was 34 when we win the Chip.

It's more likely Yak is kept then re-signed than traded this year, imo. Unless of course we draft a C and that guy surpasses him there to few years.