With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche

[ForeverTFC]

Was listening to Vecvenie’s 2nd round pod and he said he doesn’t think he’d be able to play at a mid-major this year. Said he’s extremely raw and is a long ways away.

We likely don’t see the kid for at least 2 years, if he makes it all. Fingers crossed.

[redeye514]

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Some of the guys in NBA Africa including Ulrich were taught how to shoot by Kyle Korver...interesting.
Some other future Raptors here...you saw it here first!!!

Joakim Noah is a mentor. Good to know.

“He tells me to not let anybody work harder than me on the court”

[Thaddy]

Was listening to Vecvenie’s 2nd round pod and he said he doesn’t think he’d be able to play at a mid-major this year. Said he’s extremely raw and is a long ways away.

We likely don’t see the kid for at least 2 years, if he makes it all. Fingers crossed.

I don't see the point of keeping him overseas and not controlling his development. He's going to be on a two way contract. I would guess Chomche, Carlson, and Mogbo are our 2 way contracts. Shead was guaranteed a contract and will probably be our third string PG.

In the GLeague I would expect Chomche to be a bench warmer while we train him in practice to be stronger, better shooter, polished defensive rotations, and convert his foot speed and coordination into defensive ability.

[grant101]

Was listening to Vecvenie’s 2nd round pod and he said he doesn’t think he’d be able to play at a mid-major this year. Said he’s extremely raw and is a long ways away.

We likely don’t see the kid for at least 2 years, if he makes it all. Fingers crossed.

I don't see the point of keeping him overseas and not controlling his development. He's going to be on a two way contract. I would guess Chomche, Carlson, and Mogbo are our 2 way contracts. Shead was guaranteed a contract and will probably be our third string PG.

In the GLeague I would expect Chomche to be a bench warmer while we train him in practice to be stronger, better shooter, polished defensive rotations, and convert his foot speed and coordination into defensive ability.

Vecenie is absolutely right here, Chomche is a complete, bruno-like development project. I've been skeptical and against the pick for months. I didn't want us to waste a pick (and roster spot for multiple years) on such a big project....but here we are. And, with the 57th pick that we acquired for cash, I guess why not. It'll at least be interesting to see this experiment play itself out.

He's just a hodgepodge of physical traits and athletic abilities, not a basketball player at tye moment. If the team is serious about playing this out, you're right about him having to spend all his time in the GLeague doing all those things, but he can't just be a bench warmer. He's going to need steady minutes. His biggest deficiency as far as I can tell is lack of in-game experience. He needs to play a lot at the gleague level for multiple years, and even then it's a crapshoot. Rooting for the kid and crossing my fingers the club (and our fans) are patient. It's going to be rough at times

[Duffman100]

Was listening to Vecvenie’s 2nd round pod and he said he doesn’t think he’d be able to play at a mid-major this year. Said he’s extremely raw and is a long ways away.

We likely don’t see the kid for at least 2 years, if he makes it all. Fingers crossed.

I don't see the point of keeping him overseas and not controlling his development. He's going to be on a two way contract. I would guess Chomche, Carlson, and Mogbo are our 2 way contracts. Shead was guaranteed a contract and will probably be our third string PG.

In the GLeague I would expect Chomche to be a bench warmer while we train him in practice to be stronger, better shooter, polished defensive rotations, and convert his foot speed and coordination into defensive ability.

Vecenie is absolutely right here, Chomche is a complete, bruno-like development project. I've been skeptical and against the pick for months. I didn't want us to waste a pick (and roster spot for multiple years) on such a big project....but here we are. And, with the 57th pick that we acquired for cash, I guess why not. It'll at least be interesting to see this experiment play itself out.

He's just a hodgepodge of physical traits and athletic abilities, not a basketball player at tye moment. If the team is serious about playing this out, you're right about him having to spend all his time in the GLeague doing all those things, but he can't just be a bench warmer. He's going to need steady minutes. His biggest deficiency as far as I can tell is lack of in-game experience. He needs to play a lot at the gleague level for multiple years, and even then it's a crapshoot. Rooting for the kid and crossing my fingers the club (and our fans) are patient. It's going to be rough at times

He's not a basketball player and yet still somehow a mile ahead of Bruno in terms of awareness.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Was listening to Vecvenie’s 2nd round pod and he said he doesn’t think he’d be able to play at a mid-major this year. Said he’s extremely raw and is a long ways away.

We likely don’t see the kid for at least 2 years, if he makes it all. Fingers crossed.

I don't see the point of keeping him overseas and not controlling his development. He's going to be on a two way contract. I would guess Chomche, Carlson, and Mogbo are our 2 way contracts. Shead was guaranteed a contract and will probably be our third string PG.

In the GLeague I would expect Chomche to be a bench warmer while we train him in practice to be stronger, better shooter, polished defensive rotations, and convert his foot speed and coordination into defensive ability.

I'd be surprised if he ever gets a contract. My read might be way off because he is super young, but this tracks as Masai marketing the BAL as an NBA pipeline. A token trailblazer to help talented Africans choose home instead of play the Euro club team or American prep school route.

[DreamTeam09]

Was listening to Vecvenie’s 2nd round pod and he said he doesn’t think he’d be able to play at a mid-major this year. Said he’s extremely raw and is a long ways away.

We likely don’t see the kid for at least 2 years, if he makes it all. Fingers crossed.

I don't see the point of keeping him overseas and not controlling his development. He's going to be on a two way contract. I would guess Chomche, Carlson, and Mogbo are our 2 way contracts. Shead was guaranteed a contract and will probably be our third string PG.

In the GLeague I would expect Chomche to be a bench warmer while we train him in practice to be stronger, better shooter, polished defensive rotations, and convert his foot speed and coordination into defensive ability.

If that is your expectation, then that is the whole reason to stash him. Plenty of professional clubs around the world can also get you stronger, more court awareness, better shooter and etc ect. That way we don’t burn a yr of his eligibility. He’ll be what 18 19 this time next year, then we can start his development path with us.

[gbball]

I think with Chomche and him going going to the NBA Academy Africa, he's already cleared some of the initial hurdles Bruno had to deal with.

Also, like some have pointed out his confidence and motor are lightyears ahead of where Bruno was. He also already knows English, has already played in some high profile showcase games. Participated in the combine, etc.

Bruno was plucked out of obscurity, didn't even speak English and didn't have as clear of a NBA role.

I'm sure Ujiri's been thinking about what went wrong in Bruno's situation, and he's on the record saying he'd try a pick like that again under the right circumstances.

Ulriche has IMO both a solid floor as a Claxton type defensive presence once he acclimates, and a high ceiling as a more complete player if he's a fast learner. Not to mention he'll have the ghost of Siakam to chase...If he develops into a Siakam style offensive threat with his defense potential, it'd change the trajectory of our organization because his measurables and athleticism are beyond Siakam...his physical tools are more Giannis-like.

The timing is good, with the 905 established and an organizational pivot towards player development. He's in the perfect situation to maximize his potential. The rest will be up to him.

I'm really happy about the pick and I think he'll show really nice flashes as early as summer league assuming he participates.

[mtcan]

Was listening to Vecvenie’s 2nd round pod and he said he doesn’t think he’d be able to play at a mid-major this year. Said he’s extremely raw and is a long ways away.

We likely don’t see the kid for at least 2 years, if he makes it all. Fingers crossed.

I don't see the point of keeping him overseas and not controlling his development. He's going to be on a two way contract. I would guess Chomche, Carlson, and Mogbo are our 2 way contracts. Shead was guaranteed a contract and will probably be our third string PG.

In the GLeague I would expect Chomche to be a bench warmer while we train him in practice to be stronger, better shooter, polished defensive rotations, and convert his foot speed and coordination into defensive ability.

If that is your expectation, then that is the whole reason to stash him. Plenty of professional clubs around the world can also get you stronger, more court awareness, better shooter and etc ect. That way we don’t burn a yr of his eligibility. He’ll be what 18 19 this time next year, then we can start his development path with us.

OKC Thunder drafted Josh Huestis and didn't sign him immediately. Instead...he was drafted with the 29th pick in 2014 but under the agreement that he would sign a G-League contract for 1 season before getting his NBA rookie contract.

There is precedent for a draft-and-stash in the G-League. I think this was before 2-way contracts were a thing.

I think he signs a 2-way contract. That way the he can go between the big club and G-League club. He can G-League in the day then also get into a game later that evening with the big club.

[alpngso]

If you stash him overseas, the clock does not tick. Wait for him to play overseas couple years and then sign him. But Chomche and the team needs to pick the right overseas team that'll play him and develop.

If you keep the guy in-house (ie//G-league) and sign him to two-way. Chances of him developing and contributing within his first two-way is slim to none. Then you really need to decide if he's worth signing to a second contract. That's the issue with long-term developmental guys. First team who drafts that type generally doesn't reap the benefits.

[tecumseh18]

I'm sure Ujiri's been thinking about what went wrong in Bruno's situation, and he's on the record saying he'd try a pick like that again under the right circumstances.

If drafting Bruno helped Masai to (a) learn how to draft better (and his drafting the next three seasons was elite), (b) bring in a G-League team and (c) build a state of the art practice facility, then it was all worth it.

Let's face it. In terms of the guys mocked in the 20s, there really wasn't a lot of upside. Hood with his T-Rex arms, undersized C Capela, over-aged Shabazz. Inglis seemed intriguing, but no. Depending on team needs, Bogdan in retrospect might have been BPA. But even he hasn't been a difference maker in his career.

[mtcan]

If you stash him overseas, the clock does not tick. Wait for him to play overseas couple years and then sign him. But Chomche and the team needs to pick the right overseas team that'll play him and develop.

If you keep the guy in-house (ie//G-league) and sign him to two-way. Chances of him developing and contributing within his first two-way is slim to none. Then you really need to decide if he's worth signing to a second contract. That's the issue with long-term developmental guys. First team who drafts that type generally doesn't reap the benefits.

I think he develops more when there is a development program tailored to him and the only way he gets that kind of attention is to be in Toronto or Mississauga. He'll be working with NBA-level training staff and tools. Masai I'm sure has a vested interest in seeing that Ulrich becomes an NBA level player because it's all about NBA Africa/Giants of Africa/BAL/etc...so I'm sure he wants to keep close tabs on his own project.

[djsunyc]

If you stash him overseas, the clock does not tick. Wait for him to play overseas couple years and then sign him. But Chomche and the team needs to pick the right overseas team that'll play him and develop.

If you keep the guy in-house (ie//G-league) and sign him to two-way. Chances of him developing and contributing within his first two-way is slim to none. Then you really need to decide if he's worth signing to a second contract. That's the issue with long-term developmental guys. First team who drafts that type generally doesn't reap the benefits.

his contract cost would be super low tho so not much of a cap hit at all.

[Zeno]

If you stash him overseas, the clock does not tick. Wait for him to play overseas couple years and then sign him. But Chomche and the team needs to pick the right overseas team that'll play him and develop.

If you keep the guy in-house (ie//G-league) and sign him to two-way. Chances of him developing and contributing within his first two-way is slim to none. Then you really need to decide if he's worth signing to a second contract. That's the issue with long-term developmental guys. First team who drafts that type generally doesn't reap the benefits.

You give him a two year two way and then you can still sign him to a rookie scale type deal with the 2nd pick exception so really you have up to 6 years before you really have to pay him. If you haven't reaped any benefits along the way, it isn't happening.

[DreamTeam09]

I don't see the point of keeping him overseas and not controlling his development. He's going to be on a two way contract. I would guess Chomche, Carlson, and Mogbo are our 2 way contracts. Shead was guaranteed a contract and will probably be our third string PG.

In the GLeague I would expect Chomche to be a bench warmer while we train him in practice to be stronger, better shooter, polished defensive rotations, and convert his foot speed and coordination into defensive ability.

If that is your expectation, then that is the whole reason to stash him. Plenty of professional clubs around the world can also get you stronger, more court awareness, better shooter and etc ect. That way we don’t burn a yr of his eligibility. He’ll be what 18 19 this time next year, then we can start his development path with us.

OKC Thunder drafted Josh Huestis and didn't sign him immediately. Instead...he was drafted with the 29th pick in 2014 but under the agreement that he would sign a G-League contract for 1 season before getting his NBA rookie contract.

There is precedent for a draft-and-stash in the G-League. I think this was before 2-way contracts were a thing.

I think he signs a 2-way contract. That way the he can go between the big club and G-League club. He can G-League in the day then also get into a game later that evening with the big club.

You're right. The 2-way isn't a standard contract so the time doesn't technically tick. That's the best route then. Raps 905 that's what it's designed for

[ForeverTFC]

If you stash him overseas, the clock does not tick. Wait for him to play overseas couple years and then sign him. But Chomche and the team needs to pick the right overseas team that'll play him and develop.

If you keep the guy in-house (ie//G-league) and sign him to two-way. Chances of him developing and contributing within his first two-way is slim to none. Then you really need to decide if he's worth signing to a second contract. That's the issue with long-term developmental guys. First team who drafts that type generally doesn't reap the benefits.

You give him a two year two way and then you can still sign him to a rookie scale type deal with the 2nd pick exception so really you have up to 6 years before you really have to pay him. If you haven't reaped any benefits along the way, it isn't happening.

Are you sure that’s how it works? Would be odd if you could use the 2nd round exception after a two-way.

[will]

My trousers are getting snug watching all these Ulrich Chomche highlights on youtube.

[LoveMyRaps]

Play him in 905 for a couple years. He's only 18.

Lots of upside. Gotta help him get stronger first and improve that shooting.

[HangTime]

I was thinking if we could do something like this? I know he's not a first rounder, but.

https://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/69962/josh-huestis-first-stashed-domestic-pick

We sign him to a 905 contract or the 905 might have to draft him.

Then No team can poach him, because we have his NBA rights.

Then in a year, two, or three we sign him to a standard 4 rookie contract.

in those "905 years"
The NBA coaches can work with him,
-he can get Valuable practice time against all his NBA teammates.
-travel,
-be on the bench during NBA games (maybe)


Only thing he can't do, is play in the Raptors games.

Being with the 905, he can get reps with Mogbo, Walter. Shead, Gradey.



Whomever needs 905 burn, he'll get valuable time with them,


All this, without starting this NBA clock.

[kalel123]

Whatever we do, stashing him is a bad idea and it will fail especially if dude is as raw as y'all say. Not having direct control over Caboclo's development in the first year was the thing that Ujiri himself pointed out as reason for failure and the whole f'ing reason 905 exists in the first place. Why have a development league/team if you are afraid to actually develop someone? Doubt he'll make the same mistake. You can't be too much of a coward to get your hands dirty just because "clock starts to tick". F it. Do it.