Tank World Order V (Rise of the Phoenix)

[nikster]

What's weird about this, is that we are not doing remarkably well or poorly. We just have all our picks + 2025 POR SRP and 2026 IND FRP.

And yet ATL, who have an awful set of picks, are marginally below us.

We don't stand out but we are 6th on first round picks and have a better collection of young talent then most teams ahead of us. We're about middle of the pack with 2nd round picks, but they're not as valuable. Weighing them equally makes OKC for example stand out more on this graph then they otherwise should

We have a comparable collection of talent to POR, CHA has better, the Jazz are just weird, OKC utterly destroys us, and the Nets just burned everything down, so I'd hope so, but they kill us in picks. Not something I'd hang my hat on too much personally.

OKC doesn't stand out more on the graph just due to SRPs man, they have more FRPs/swaps in 2025 than we have in 25/26/27/28 combined. Thats 4 FRPs + 1 swap in 2025, 3 in 2026, 2 + 1 swap in 2027, and 2 in 2028. The SRPs just push them to the right on the chart, if anything it diminishes how much capital they actually have.

Okay, I just don't think there's anything weird about our position. We recently rebuilt, didn't have a massive haul to jump start it and we are 6th in 1st round picks with a good collection of young talent.

[Gavin_TDThree]

Let's say we "capture the Flagg". Is he projected as a 3 in this league? If his shooting his legit he could be a really nice fit next to SB.

[Scase]

We don't stand out but we are 6th on first round picks and have a better collection of young talent then most teams ahead of us. We're about middle of the pack with 2nd round picks, but they're not as valuable. Weighing them equally makes OKC for example stand out more on this graph then they otherwise should

We have a comparable collection of talent to POR, CHA has better, the Jazz are just weird, OKC utterly destroys us, and the Nets just burned everything down, so I'd hope so, but they kill us in picks. Not something I'd hang my hat on too much personally.

OKC doesn't stand out more on the graph just due to SRPs man, they have more FRPs/swaps in 2025 than we have in 25/26/27/28 combined. Thats 4 FRPs + 1 swap in 2025, 3 in 2026, 2 + 1 swap in 2027, and 2 in 2028. The SRPs just push them to the right on the chart, if anything it diminishes how much capital they actually have.

Okay, I just don't think there's anything weird about our position. We recently rebuilt, didn't have a massive haul to jump start it and we are 6th in 1st round picks with a good collection of young talent.

That's because you are looking at it from a perspective like I am complaining about the team. I am saying that the gap on that chart between us and ATL should be BIGGER.

My point was that we aren't in any special situation with a ton of picks, and ATL has a substantially worse war chest than us, yet they look like they are barely behind us.

Let's say we "capture the Flagg". Is he projected as a 3 in this league? If his shooting his legit he could be a really nice fit next to SB.

Could be a 2/3/4 tbh. With a player like that, you don't care, you make it work.

[WuTang_CMB]

Let's say we "capture the Flagg". Is he projected as a 3 in this league? If his shooting his legit he could be a really nice fit next to SB.

Him and Scottie can be interchangeable at the 3/4.

[Chandan]

Let's say we "capture the Flagg". Is he projected as a 3 in this league? If his shooting his legit he could be a really nice fit next to SB.

Him and Scottie can be interchangeable at the 3/4.

Flagg doesn't look like a 4 to me.

[Gavin_TDThree]

Let's say we "capture the Flagg". Is he projected as a 3 in this league? If his shooting his legit he could be a really nice fit next to SB.

Him and Scottie can be interchangeable at the 3/4.

Flagg doesn't look like a 4 to me.

what do you see him as? more of 3?

[Fairview4Life]

That's because you are looking at it from a perspective like I am complaining about the team. I am saying that the gap on that chart between us and ATL should be BIGGER.

Straight up pick counting isn't really all that useful for telling us what the chart seems to be trying to tell us - stuff about future prospects. Like having a 2025 Raptors 1st round pick, for example, should in theory be "worth more" than having an OKC first round pick. But trying to work all that in is probably a fools errand and would be out of date the minute after it's calculated.

[LoveMyRaps]

Let's say we "capture the Flagg". Is he projected as a 3 in this league? If his shooting his legit he could be a really nice fit next to SB.

Him and Scottie can be interchangeable at the 3/4.

Flagg doesn't look like a 4 to me.

He'll get lots of playing time at the 4 throughout his NBA career.
He's similar to KD in that sense.

Keep in mind he's only 17, so his frame will continue to fill out and he'll continue to pack on weight & muscle.

[Duffman100]

Is Flagg the right fit next to Scottie? I mean always go BPA, but getting an elite scoring prospect would be good.

[Scase]

That's because you are looking at it from a perspective like I am complaining about the team. I am saying that the gap on that chart between us and ATL should be BIGGER.

Straight up pick counting isn't really all that useful for telling us what the chart seems to be trying to tell us - stuff about future prospects. Like having a 2025 Raptors 1st round pick, for example, should in theory be "worth more" than having an OKC first round pick. But trying to work all that in is probably a fools errand and would be out of date the minute after it's calculated.

Exactly, ATLs picks for instance are all pretty mediocre, whereas us being bad this year makes even that one arguably more valuable than most of theirs combined.

As you said, this would be extremely difficult to calculate accurately, and would be out of date super quickly, but I think taking into account at least the level of protections on the picks, and the likelihood of those picks conveying wouldn't be a super tall order. Would definitely make the chart more "useful".

[Gavin_TDThree]

Is Flagg the right fit next to Scottie? I mean always go BPA, but getting an elite scoring prospect would be good.

that's where my minds at as well. In a vacuum you always take BPA, especially if you're drafting #1.

Similar to SB and Pascal, I think there is some positional weirdness with Scottie and Flagg. As a Raps fan I'd love to be in the position that we had to figure that out granted.

The perfect fit next to scottie is an elite bucket getter ie VJ, Bailey. Those guys feel like the perfect fit

[MessiahUjiri]

Him and Scottie can be interchangeable at the 3/4.

Flagg doesn't look like a 4 to me.

He'll get lots of playing time at the 4 throughout his NBA career.
He's similar to KD in that sense.

Keep in mind he's only 17, so his frame will continue to fill out and he'll continue to pack on weight & muscle.

Yeah I think the Kirilenko comparisons are very interesting. A 3/4 who is more of a 4 as his body fills out.

The X factor with Flagg will be his shooting, since neither him nor Scottie are pure scorers.

We are also gonna need a floor spacing C.

So a Scottie/Flagg duo is amazing defensively, but it requires a specific kind of offensive roster around them. Quickley would be a great fit.

[Jerry Lucas]

Is Flagg the right fit next to Scottie? I mean always go BPA, but getting an elite scoring prospect would be good.

Nah if you're picking that high in the draft you have to go BPA. Portland passed on Michael Jordan at 2nd overall because they thought him and Drexler wouldn't fit together.

[Spida888]

Is Flagg the right fit next to Scottie? I mean always go BPA, but getting an elite scoring prospect would be good.

Nah if you're picking that high in the draft you have to go BPA. Portland passed on Michael Jordan at 2nd overall because they thought him and Drexler wouldn't fit together.

I agree. Just go with BPA. Scottie hasn't cemented himself as a future 1a player yet, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.

If FO believes Flagg as the best player, just go with that, he may turn out to be better than Scottie. If there's too much overlap at a certain point you can trade the weaker player.

Honestly, I would be elated if we end up with one of Flagg/Bailey/VJ.

[Duffman100]

Is Flagg the right fit next to Scottie? I mean always go BPA, but getting an elite scoring prospect would be good.

Nah if you're picking that high in the draft you have to go BPA. Portland passed on Michael Jordan at 2nd overall because they thought him and Drexler wouldn't fit together.

oh 100%, always take BPA.

But say our FO says Flagg vs X player BPA evalution is nearly the same. Is there a player in that top 5 a better fit next to scottie?

[PhilBlackson]

Where is this fear of Flagg not being able to get buckets coming from?! lol Surely you’ve watched the highlights to see that wouldn’t be an issue at all. There is absolutely no issue of fit with Scottie either (and I say this as someone who actually dreams of the team drafting Ace lol)

If we get Flagg…move over Banchero/Franz because we’ll be the ones coming for Tatum & Brown then.

[Jerry Lucas]

Is Flagg the right fit next to Scottie? I mean always go BPA, but getting an elite scoring prospect would be good.

Nah if you're picking that high in the draft you have to go BPA. Portland passed on Michael Jordan at 2nd overall because they thought him and Drexler wouldn't fit together.

oh 100%, always take BPA.

But say our FO says Flagg vs X player BPA evalution is nearly the same. Is there a player in that top 5 a better fit next to scottie?

In the hypothetical case you are describing then Flagg wouldn't actually be BPA in the eyes of the FO, if they are evaluated as equals.

If he is evaluated by the FO as BPA then they won't pick him over someone they see as clearly inferior just because he fits better with Scottie.

[Duffman100]

Nah if you're picking that high in the draft you have to go BPA. Portland passed on Michael Jordan at 2nd overall because they thought him and Drexler wouldn't fit together.

oh 100%, always take BPA.

But say our FO says Flagg vs X player BPA evalution is nearly the same. Is there a player in that top 5 a better fit next to scottie?

In the hypothetical case you are describing then Flagg wouldn't actually be BPA in the eyes of the FO, if they are evaluated as equals.

If he is evaluated by the FO as BPA then they won't pick him over someone they see as clearly inferior just because he fits better with Scottie.

Okay...... let's try my question in a different way.

Say we pick 6 and someone falls to us. Who, from a FIT standpoint next Scottie would be the best person to fall.

[Dalek]

oh 100%, always take BPA.

But say our FO says Flagg vs X player BPA evalution is nearly the same. Is there a player in that top 5 a better fit next to scottie?

In the hypothetical case you are describing then Flagg wouldn't actually be BPA in the eyes of the FO, if they are evaluated as equals.

If he is evaluated by the FO as BPA then they won't pick him over someone they see as clearly inferior just because he fits better with Scottie.

Okay...... let's try my question in a different way.

Say we pick 6 and someone falls to us. Who, from a FIT standpoint next Scottie would be the best person to fall.

I'd say Bailey because Scottie needs a guy who is an elite shot creator beside him. Bailey to me can win games based on his shotmaking ability.

Flagg would be my pick for best overall player to go to Toronto. He is a special two-way player.

I am wait and see on Maluach. As a future dominant big I see everything you could want, but let's see if he stays healthy and looks good as a freshman. He is too big and strong not to dominate in spurts.

[Scase]

In the hypothetical case you are describing then Flagg wouldn't actually be BPA in the eyes of the FO, if they are evaluated as equals.

If he is evaluated by the FO as BPA then they won't pick him over someone they see as clearly inferior just because he fits better with Scottie.

Okay...... let's try my question in a different way.

Say we pick 6 and someone falls to us. Who, from a FIT standpoint next Scottie would be the best person to fall.

I'd say Bailey because Scottie needs a guy who is an elite shot creator beside him. Bailey to me can win games based on his shotmaking ability.

Flagg would be my pick for best overall player to go to Toronto. He is a special two-way player.

I am wait and see on Maluach. As a future dominant big I see everything you could want, but let's see if he stays healthy and looks good as a freshman. He is too big and strong not to dominate in spurts.

Yeah I'd go with Bailey as well, the likelihood of him falling all the way to 6 is pretty much non-existent sadly lol. Edgecomb is another option, but Bailey seems to be the best fit as a pure scorer. There's a couple others like Saraf and Kasparas that are projected in the 6-8 range that would be solid, but no top tier scoring prospects around those parts. Bethea is projected in the late lotto, so not sure I'd blow a 6th pick on him, but you could always trade down as he looks like he'd be a huge scoring threat we desperately need.

All that said, until we see them actually play NCAA level ball, it's hard to say.