Shams: KAT to the Knicks

[djsunyc]

Knicks out..

IQ/RJ/Randle/Donte + 6 1st + 2 2nds + 1 pick swap
For
OG/Mikal/Precious/Towns

5 unprotected 1sts, 1 unprotected sawp - but also lost harkenstein as well

[OakleyDokely]

A lot of this hinges on Brunson being a legit #1 option and I'm not convinced yet he's that guy in the playoffs. He scored a lot, but his efficiency wasn't great at all and because of how the Knicks have been built, he will still be relied on heavily to carry the offense as they don't have many guys who can create their own efficient shot when the offense breaks down.

[Smalltown]

A lot of this hinges on Brunson being a legit #1 option and I'm not convinced yet he's that guy in the playoffs. He scored a lot, but his efficiency wasn't great at all and because of how the Knicks have been built, he will still be relied on heavily to carry the offense as they don't have many guys who can create their own efficient shot when the offense breaks down.

I think more than that it hinges on health. This is a collection of guys who've each consistently miss time. If you can get them all on the floor and healthy their ceiling is really high. I'm just skeptical that will happen.

[refshateRaps]

Brunson seems like a winner. Not sure about anyone else on the roster.

So I dont really feel they are contenders.

[Pointgod]

Knicks out..

IQ/RJ/Randle/Donte + 6 1st + 2 2nds + 1 pick swap
For
OG/Mikal/Precious/Towns

Considering that just two seasons ago Mikal and OG were talked about being worth 3-4 first round picks each this kind of seems like a fair price to pay. The only thing is lack of consistent first option, but we’ve seen Brunson up his game in the playoffs.

[agkagk]

Brunson seems like a winner. Not sure about anyone else on the roster.

So I dont really feel they are contenders.

Hart and og

[refshateRaps]

Brunson seems like a winner. Not sure about anyone else on the roster.

So I dont really feel they are contenders.

Hart and og

Similar to KAT, OG hasnt won a damn thing when hes been healthy

I don't see KAT as the major upgrade over Randle some do either. But we'll see come playoffs time how they mesh, if they stay healthy. As we never got to see Randle and Brunson when it counted.

Saying that I wouldn't bet against Brunson tho. Guy looks to be an upgraded version of Lowry. I just think the pieces around him are being a bit oversold and not contender material.

[JB7]

Brunson seems like a winner. Not sure about anyone else on the roster.

So I dont really feel they are contenders.

Hart and og

Similar to KAT, OG hasnt won a damn thing when hes been healthy

I don't see KAT as the major upgrade over Randle some do either. But we'll see come playoffs time how they mesh, if they stay healthy. As we never got to see Randle and Brunson when it counted.

Saying that I wouldn't bet against Brunson tho. Guy looks to be an upgraded version of Lowry. I just think the pieces around him are being a bit oversold and not contender material.

Brunson is their superstar. KAT is just a better fit next to Brunson than Randle.

[refshateRaps]

Hart and og

Similar to KAT, OG hasnt won a damn thing when hes been healthy

I don't see KAT as the major upgrade over Randle some do either. But we'll see come playoffs time how they mesh, if they stay healthy. As we never got to see Randle and Brunson when it counted.

Saying that I wouldn't bet against Brunson tho. Guy looks to be an upgraded version of Lowry. I just think the pieces around him are being a bit oversold and not contender material.

Brunson is their superstar. KAT is just a better fit next to Brunson than Randle.

We know what Brunson brings.

I just don't see much of a jump from Randle to KAT. And KAT is not much of a proven winner so I dont get the overhype here. OG is an important rotation piece that needs to stay healthy but even he is overhyped when it comes to building a contender.

They'll be a tough out if healthy but are not title contenders as it stands.

[agkagk]

Brunson seems like a winner. Not sure about anyone else on the roster.

So I dont really feel they are contenders.

Hart and og

Similar to KAT, OG hasnt won a damn thing when hes been healthy

I don't see KAT as the major upgrade over Randle some do either. But we'll see come playoffs time how they mesh, if they stay healthy. As we never got to see Randle and Brunson when it counted.

Saying that I wouldn't bet against Brunson tho. Guy looks to be an upgraded version of Lowry. I just think the pieces around him are being a bit oversold and not contender material.

Ya og’s a winner.

He plays a winning style and consistently makes winning plays most average fans can’t see.

Like, everyone in the NBA knows og is a championship level talent.


Look how much the knicks gave up for him

Yep

[agkagk]

Brunson seems like a winner. Not sure about anyone else on the roster.

So I dont really feel they are contenders.

Hart and og

Similar to KAT, OG hasnt won a damn thing when hes been healthy

I don't see KAT as the major upgrade over Randle some do either. But we'll see come playoffs time how they mesh, if they stay healthy. As we never got to see Randle and Brunson when it counted.

Saying that I wouldn't bet against Brunson tho. Guy looks to be an upgraded version of Lowry. I just think the pieces around him are being a bit oversold and not contender material.

The Kat upgrade Is in his fit — they needed a centre and he can pass there next to bridges hart and og.


Cause og’s a winner lol

Seriously: Bronson and a bunch of 3 point shooters that are strong defenders that excel at switching on D

[refshateRaps]

Hart and og

Similar to KAT, OG hasnt won a damn thing when hes been healthy

I don't see KAT as the major upgrade over Randle some do either. But we'll see come playoffs time how they mesh, if they stay healthy. As we never got to see Randle and Brunson when it counted.

Saying that I wouldn't bet against Brunson tho. Guy looks to be an upgraded version of Lowry. I just think the pieces around him are being a bit oversold and not contender material.

Ya og’s winner.

He okays winning style and consistently makes winning plays most time the average fan can’t see.

Like, everyone in the NBA knows og is a championship level talent.


Look how much the knicks gave up for him

Yep

OG is a 3+D that offers nothing more and nothing less then high level talent in both those areas. His championship success from came sitting on the bench. Brunson and KAT are supposed to be the championship level talent. As good as Brunson is, none of these players have shown to be that yet including OG.

Celts in 5 if they get there. Brunson will Lowry his way to 1 win

[agkagk]

Similar to KAT, OG hasnt won a damn thing when hes been healthy

I don't see KAT as the major upgrade over Randle some do either. But we'll see come playoffs time how they mesh, if they stay healthy. As we never got to see Randle and Brunson when it counted.

Saying that I wouldn't bet against Brunson tho. Guy looks to be an upgraded version of Lowry. I just think the pieces around him are being a bit oversold and not contender material.

Ya og’s winner.

He okays winning style and consistently makes winning plays most time the average fan can’t see.

Like, everyone in the NBA knows og is a championship level talent.


Look how much the knicks gave up for him

Yep

OG is a 3+D that offers nothing more and nothing less then high level talent in both those areas. His championship success from came sitting on the bench. Brunson and KAT are supposed to be the championship level talent. As good as Brunson is, none of these players have shown to be that yet including OG.

Celts in 5 if they get there. Brunson will Lowry his way to 1 win

Ya you know his resume not his impact on the floor or rep across the league.

Every championship level team wants him.

That why we got a legacy package for his expiring.


I can google his resume myself.

Learn to read the play.

He is one of the more dominant players in the entire league.


Very prime ron artest.

[refshateRaps]

Ya og’s winner.

He okays winning style and consistently makes winning plays most time the average fan can’t see.

Like, everyone in the NBA knows og is a championship level talent.


Look how much the knicks gave up for him

Yep

OG is a 3+D that offers nothing more and nothing less then high level talent in both those areas. His championship success from came sitting on the bench. Brunson and KAT are supposed to be the championship level talent. As good as Brunson is, none of these players have shown to be that yet including OG.

Celts in 5 if they get there. Brunson will Lowry his way to 1 win

Ya you know his resume not his impact on the floor or rep across the league.

Every championship level team wants him.

That why we got a legacy package for his expiring.


I can his resume myself.

Learn to read the play.

He one of the more dominant players in the entire league.


Very prime ron artest.

OG is nothing like Ron Artest. Not saying thats a bad thing in many ways

[JB7]

Similar to KAT, OG hasnt won a damn thing when hes been healthy

I don't see KAT as the major upgrade over Randle some do either. But we'll see come playoffs time how they mesh, if they stay healthy. As we never got to see Randle and Brunson when it counted.

Saying that I wouldn't bet against Brunson tho. Guy looks to be an upgraded version of Lowry. I just think the pieces around him are being a bit oversold and not contender material.

Brunson is their superstar. KAT is just a better fit next to Brunson than Randle.

We know what Brunson brings.

I just don't see much of a jump from Randle to KAT. And KAT is not much of a proven winner so I dont get the overhype here. OG is an important rotation piece that needs to stay healthy but even he is overhyped when it comes to building a contender.

They'll be a tough out if healthy but are not title contenders as it stands.

KAT is not as ball dominant as Randle, and will he happy to stand out at the top of the key taking 3pt shots. Surrounding Brunson with 3 (KAT, OG & MB) and possibly 4 (Hart) shooters is pretty solid.

[WaltFrazier]

I don't really understand what the TWolves are doing from a forward looking strategy perspective.

In July of 2022, they go "all-in" for Rudy Gobert, trading 4 FRP's (2023, 2025, 2027, and 2029) and a swap (2026), but just two short years later they break it up for financial reasons. Remind me, what was they point of trading away all those picks again? What did they think they were going to accomplish in 2-years that made that trade worthwhile?

Their draft pick situation looks awful. According to Fanspo, they don't have their own 1st Rounder again until 2028. But it gets worse, they don't own their 2029, 2030 (SAS Swap), or 2031 FRP's either. It's just a total disaster for them moving forward.

Both Randle and Gobert have player options for the 2025/26 season. I'm going to assume that Randle opts out and skips town as fast as possible. Rudy opts-in, he won't walk away from that $46.5 million, will he? I doubt he re-signs after though. So the Wolves will end up losing Randle in 2025, and Rudy + Conley in 2026 -- and replacing these guys with 2nd Round picks.

Minnesota isn't a Free Agent destination either...I just don't understand what they're trying to accomplish

Yeah, puzzling. It's not like they didn't see this cap crunch coming either. Their FO/Ownership is alllll over the place and that has pretty much always been the case though. There's rumours than Glen Taylor saw that A-rod et al were going to cut payroll and duck the 2nd apron after buying the team, so he reneged on the deal and just did it himself lol. MIN just can never get it right. They had KG, did nothing to surround him. K Love? Nothing. Couldn't develop Wiggins. Traded Lavine and Markkanen for Jimmy, and then he immediately bolted because of their sh*t culture. Couldn't figure out how to surround Towns, until they massively overpaid for Gobert, then blow it up 2 years later. Now it's Ant-man's turn to be tossed into the fray as the undisputed #1. I mean, the amount of talent that has passed through MIN in the last decade or two is astonishing, with nothing to show for it until last year. And they immediately blow it up for money reasons. SMFH.

i think denver wanted to change their identity to a defensive one and went out and got the premiere defensive big in the league. it cost them alot but it got them to the conference finals beating the defending champs so in that respect, it worked.

ownership, etc played a part but basketball wise, i think they saw the team and figured ant is young enough that they can try and win now (even if they may not have enough for a chip) while having deals ending around 2026 to re-tool the roster around him again.

Minnesota not Denver

[disoblige]

I'd like to hear the rational behind this trade for the wolves.

NY forum seems to hate this trade.

[binjumper]

A lot of this hinges on Brunson being a legit #1 option and I'm not convinced yet he's that guy in the playoffs. He scored a lot, but his efficiency wasn't great at all and because of how the Knicks have been built, he will still be relied on heavily to carry the offense as they don't have many guys who can create their own efficient shot when the offense breaks down.

I feel like Brunson has shown time and time again he has. When Doncic got hurt he carried Dallas through a series. He's been carrying NY since he got there. He is a playoff performer.

[Tor_Raps]

I'm confused at whether people want us to win or lose? Crap product = good for the tank?

Crap product = we have no choice but to tank unless your definition of "winning" is a play-in exit lol.

No, my definition of "winning" is the championship we won.

And that was awesome but also 5 years ago. Team has fired the coach, gotten rid of players from that championship team and so forth.

Go look at other franchises... you don't get to hang onto the past forever. I'm forever grateful to Masai but he's well on his way to being the next person run out of town if he doesn't get his damn act together.

[Pointgod]

Not a bad payment for just taking on expiring contacts

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