2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0

[Zeno]

Purely hypothetical and not sure I’d even go for it but I have a feeling the Celtics could look to move off Porzingas, Horford and Jrue are aging out quickly and Porzingas looks slow and is as unreliable as ever. They also face a huge tax bill for next year especially. In addition, they have shown a lot of previous interest in Yak. So if the Celtics offered us Porzingas, their 2025 1st for Yak, Davion, would you do it? Porzingas becomes an expiring next year but makes 11 million more than Yak will.

They won't move Porzingis in division, I think they will be fine they don't need Porzingis to be anything more than he is. Horford is probably done in a year max two. Mitchell I definitely see as they are lacking guard depth. IMHO this is more slated towards Toronto's end as Porzingis is a better fit here with Barnes. Plus getting another pick to use or trace is also a win

I actually don’t love it for us for where we are even if we are ‘winning’ the trade in theory. If we are trading Yak, just get better picks and a young prospect. So maybe it doesn’t work for either side but they will definitely be doing this kind of move in the offseason unless they repeat and their new owner is basically a Balmer type.

[CazOnReal]

For what it's worth, the Celtics were interested in Jakob at the 2022 deadline. Granted, I can see why the Spurs went with trading him Toronto since Boston's picks are going to suck and their prospects are uninteresting.

To Wolves
Bruce Brown
Don Mitchell (most likely becomes their starting PG actually with his defense)

To Bulls (I cant see any team taking Lavine thus you might as well try to win some games and play-in/playoff by increasing the talent level )
Randle

To Raps (couple of young players on good contracts with Potential)
P.Williams
J.Smith

Raptors are not doing this move without a pick, that P-Will contract is long and not particularly cheap.

A pick(?!) for a player coming off a knee surgery that has only played 9 games, playing less than 20 minutes and on an expiring contract, we would be lucky to get a 2nd round pick..plus we will have to take salary back, P-Will's contract is 18M per for the next 5 years, supercheap at that age with the potential (worst case a big 3+D SF and we badly need it)

Yes

Because Patrick Williams contract is f*cking terrible.

[KillaSham23]

Di Vincenzo hurt for Minnesota. We gotta talk them into brown being the guy

[douggood]

Di Vincenzo hurt for Minnesota. We gotta talk them into brown being the guy

they have 4 players who they can trade for brown
edwards, gobert, randle and mcdaniels.

[ConSarnit]

Purely hypothetical and not sure I’d even go for it but I have a feeling the Celtics could look to move off Porzingas, Horford and Jrue are aging out quickly and Porzingas looks slow and is as unreliable as ever. They also face a huge tax bill for next year especially. In addition, they have shown a lot of previous interest in Yak. So if the Celtics offered us Porzingas, their 2025 1st for Yak, Davion, would you do it? Porzingas becomes an expiring next year but makes 11 million more than Yak will.

They won't move Porzingis in division, I think they will be fine they don't need Porzingis to be anything more than he is. Horford is probably done in a year max two. Mitchell I definitely see as they are lacking guard depth. IMHO this is more slated towards Toronto's end as Porzingis is a better fit here with Barnes. Plus getting another pick to use or trace is also a win

I actually don’t love it for us for where we are even if we are ‘winning’ the trade in theory. If we are trading Yak, just get better picks and a young prospect. So maybe it doesn’t work for either side but they will definitely be doing this kind of move in the offseason unless they repeat and their new owner is basically a Balmer type.

I just don't think the Celtics would do it because it goes completely against how they want to play. They effectively want to play 48mpg with a spacing C. The only non-shooters the Celtics play are their 9th man or lower. Last year Kornet only played 10mpg in the playoffs. Poeltl's non-spacing and $20m/yr contract doesn't fit into what the Celtics want to do. Their success is largely based around taking the most 3pa in the history of the league. My guess is Jrue (or maybe White) is a cap casualty before Porzingis.

[ConSarnit]

For what it's worth, the Celtics were interested in Jakob at the 2022 deadline. Granted, I can see why the Spurs went with trading him Toronto since Boston's picks are going to suck and their prospects are uninteresting.

Raptors are not doing this move without a pick, that P-Will contract is long and not particularly cheap.

A pick(?!) for a player coming off a knee surgery that has only played 9 games, playing less than 20 minutes and on an expiring contract, we would be lucky to get a 2nd round pick..plus we will have to take salary back, P-Will's contract is 18M per for the next 5 years, supercheap at that age with the potential (worst case a big 3+D SF and we badly need it)

Yes

Because Patrick Williams contract is f*cking terrible.

The guy has made zero improvements since he's entered the league. The team that just signed him to a 5 year deal now wants to get off of him? Already?

For those wanting to trade for PWill, answer this question: if Patrick Williams is a good 3+D player making $18m/year (which will be the MLE by the end of his deal) why would the Bulls be trying to get rid of him for an expiring?

If Patrick Williams is the player some people on here think he is than he should be worth 2 1sts. He's not though, because he's not good.

[deeps6x]

For what it's worth, the Celtics were interested in Jakob at the 2022 deadline. Granted, I can see why the Spurs went with trading him Toronto since Boston's picks are going to suck and their prospects are uninteresting.

A pick(?!) for a player coming off a knee surgery that has only played 9 games, playing less than 20 minutes and on an expiring contract, we would be lucky to get a 2nd round pick..plus we will have to take salary back, P-Will's contract is 18M per for the next 5 years, supercheap at that age with the potential (worst case a big 3+D SF and we badly need it)

Yes

Because Patrick Williams contract is f*cking terrible.

The guy has made zero improvements since he's entered the league. The team that just signed him to a 5 year deal now wants to get off of him? Already?

For those wanting to trade for PWill, answer this question: if Patrick Williams is a good 3+D player making $18m/year (which will be the MLE by the end of his deal) why would the Bulls be trying to get rid of him for an expiring?

If Patrick Williams is the player some people on here think he is than he should be worth 2 1sts. He's not though, because he's not good.

He isn't good. But I'd consider trading BB for him if Chicago would throw in a future FRP.

[CazOnReal]

Di Vincenzo hurt for Minnesota. We gotta talk them into brown being the guy

they have 4 players who they can trade for brown
edwards, gobert, randle and mcdaniels.

It's Randle and it's so obvious he's the odd man out:
-Bad vibes with Ant alluding to Julius not getting along with the rest of the team which matches his time in New York
-His contract is significantly easier to turn into 2-3 roleplayers vs moving Mike Conley or whomever via the $33 million he's making
-He's also just not that great? Not a bad player but I think we can finally shut up about that idiotic "who's better Siakam or Randle?" debate because it was and always will be Pascal

Randle, Pistons 1st for taking on his contract.

Mix and match Brown with Davion Mitchell or make it Boucher, Mitchell and Kelly Olynyk (You do need to trade Kelly to skirt the luxury tax via a 2025 expiring contract but that shouldn't be too hard).

Ex:

[S.W.A.N]

Di Vincenzo hurt for Minnesota. We gotta talk them into brown being the guy

they have 4 players who they can trade for brown
edwards, gobert, randle and mcdaniels.

It's Randle and it's so obvious he's the odd man out:
-Bad vibes with Ant alluding to Julius not getting along with the rest of the team which matches his time in New York
-His contract is significantly easier to turn into 2-3 roleplayers vs moving Mike Conley or whomever via the $33 million he's making
-He's also just not that great? Not a bad player but I think we can finally shut up about that idiotic "who's better Siakam or Randle?" debate because it was and always will be Pascal

Randle, Pistons 1st for taking on his contract.

Mix and match Brown with Davion Mitchell or make it Boucher, Mitchell and Kelly Olynyk (You do need to trade Kelly to skirt the luxury tax via a 2025 expiring contract but that shouldn't be too hard).

Ex:

I saw the headlines and was about to yell and scream about what a terrible idea... Then I saw then Detroit first... Now I'm interested. lol.

On a side note. Don't put Boucher in the deal unless you have to. Boucher by himself is going to be a good trade asset. Rumor of the spurs being interested in him came out today.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

For what it's worth, the Celtics were interested in Jakob at the 2022 deadline. Granted, I can see why the Spurs went with trading him Toronto since Boston's picks are going to suck and their prospects are uninteresting.



Yes

Because Patrick Williams contract is f*cking terrible.

The guy has made zero improvements since he's entered the league. The team that just signed him to a 5 year deal now wants to get off of him? Already?

For those wanting to trade for PWill, answer this question: if Patrick Williams is a good 3+D player making $18m/year (which will be the MLE by the end of his deal) why would the Bulls be trying to get rid of him for an expiring?

If Patrick Williams is the player some people on here think he is than he should be worth 2 1sts. He's not though, because he's not good.

He isn't good. But I'd consider trading BB for him if Chicago would throw in a future FRP.

I would take Patrick and their current first this year for Gradey and BB.

Won’t hurt our tank and we get another lottery pick this year for a former lottery pick.

I’m kinda out on Gradey being any sort of special player given his defense and his shooting isn’t as advertised (he’d have to be Korver to make up for his defense for me). He had some flashes early when half the team was injured and he was putting up 20+ shots but as a 3/4th option he’s been pretty mediocre.

Not saying he never gets better but if we can use that Chicago pick to get Khaman I’m more than willing to sacrifice Gradey for it

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Di Vincenzo hurt for Minnesota. We gotta talk them into brown being the guy

they have 4 players who they can trade for brown
edwards, gobert, randle and mcdaniels.

It's Randle and it's so obvious he's the odd man out:
-Bad vibes with Ant alluding to Julius not getting along with the rest of the team which matches his time in New York
-His contract is significantly easier to turn into 2-3 roleplayers vs moving Mike Conley or whomever via the $33 million he's making
-He's also just not that great? Not a bad player but I think we can finally shut up about that idiotic "who's better Siakam or Randle?" debate because it was and always will be Pascal

Randle, Pistons 1st for taking on his contract.

Mix and match Brown with Davion Mitchell or make it Boucher, Mitchell and Kelly Olynyk (You do need to trade Kelly to skirt the luxury tax via a 2025 expiring contract but that shouldn't be too hard).

Ex:

The problem with trading for Randle is it might destroy our chemistry unless he’s re-routed. He’s in a contract year, and being on a bottom 3 team means he can’t showcase himself in the playoffs to secure his next contract. Which means he likely tries to go for his own numbers the rest of the year

Helps the tank but would be a mess of a last half of the season

[CazOnReal]

they have 4 players who they can trade for brown
edwards, gobert, randle and mcdaniels.

It's Randle and it's so obvious he's the odd man out:
-Bad vibes with Ant alluding to Julius not getting along with the rest of the team which matches his time in New York
-His contract is significantly easier to turn into 2-3 roleplayers vs moving Mike Conley or whomever via the $33 million he's making
-He's also just not that great? Not a bad player but I think we can finally shut up about that idiotic "who's better Siakam or Randle?" debate because it was and always will be Pascal

Randle, Pistons 1st for taking on his contract.

Mix and match Brown with Davion Mitchell or make it Boucher, Mitchell and Kelly Olynyk (You do need to trade Kelly to skirt the luxury tax via a 2025 expiring contract but that shouldn't be too hard).

Ex:

The problem with trading for Randle is it might destroy our chemistry unless he’s re-routed. He’s in a contract year, and being on a bottom 3 team means he can’t showcase himself in the playoffs to secure his next contract. Which means he likely tries to go for his own numbers the rest of the year

Helps the tank but would be a mess of a last half of the season

This wouldn't be RJ and IQ's first time dealing with Randle, i'm sure they can manage and will give everyone pointers to deal with his nonsense. Ideally, Julius gets flipped on draft night or the offseason in general.

[Zeno]

This is a crazy idea but rather than the above trade, would anyone consider trading IQ for Randle and Detroit 1st. Then in separate trades, get Dillingham and Leonard Miller into our MLE exception for Portland 2nd. This is assuming that IQ can come back and showcase himself and looks good. IQ is ready to go as a starter on the right timeline for the Wolves plus his flat contract is a good structure for them.

[sidsid]

This is a crazy idea but rather than the above trade, would anyone consider trading IQ for Randle and Detroit 1st. Then in separate trades, get Dillingham and Leonard Miller into our MLE exception for Portland 2nd. This is assuming that IQ can come back and showcase himself and looks good. IQ is ready to go as a starter on the right timeline for the Wolves plus his flat contract is a good structure for them.

Nothing is off the table outside of Barnes. But Randle would need to be rerouted for sure. Not the type you can really rehabilitate and cycle the asset again. Finding that 3rd team that would want him is difficult. The desperate teams like Phoenix and Bucks don't have the salaries. Most of the bad teams are tanking like us.

Detroit could be a spot, but they already threw money at Tobias. The Heat could move Rozier which would be a better rehab/cycling candidate for us in this scenario, but that would be entirely dependant on a larger Jimmy deal. Very hard to see which team would actually make this work for us.

[Spida888]

This is a crazy idea but rather than the above trade, would anyone consider trading IQ for Randle and Detroit 1st. Then in separate trades, get Dillingham and Leonard Miller into our MLE exception for Portland 2nd. This is assuming that IQ can come back and showcase himself and looks good. IQ is ready to go as a starter on the right timeline for the Wolves plus his flat contract is a good structure for them.

Nothing is off the table outside of Barnes. But Randle would need to be rerouted for sure. Not the type you can really rehabilitate and cycle the asset again. Finding that 3rd team that would want him is difficult. The desperate teams like Phoenix and Bucks don't have the salaries. Most of the bad teams are tanking like us.

Detroit could be a spot, but they already threw money at Tobias. The Heat could move Rozier which would be a better rehab/cycling candidate for us in this scenario, but that would be entirely dependant on a larger Jimmy deal. Very hard to see which team would actually make this work for us.

Chances are if we get a FRP for taking on Randle, there won't be many suitors that want him to begin with. We are more likely to eat his contract this year and then find a suitor in the offseason. Given his contract, he will have more value as an expiring next season where we may take on long term salary again to gain assets.

No one is untouchable on this team, but getting rid of IQ so soon seems unlikely. IQ hasn't played much for the team this year and even when playing, didn't look 100%. Our FO is fairly conservative, so realistically, I think they just stick with focusing on trading Brown/Boucher/Davion/Olynyk.

[Smalltown]

No one is untouchable on this team, but getting rid of IQ so soon seems unlikely.

There's absolutely no way they give up on him that quick. The only way he gets traded right now is if a star player is on the table and i just don't see that.

[CazOnReal]

Getting rid of IQ this early is a stupid suggestion, full stop

[ConSarnit]

Getting rid of IQ this early is a stupid suggestion, full stop

Why? If the offer is there I don't see a reason to not at least have the conversation. IQ projects to be what, the 16th best PG in the league? Maybe he reaches FVV level of 1 time replacement all-star. That's not an "untouchable" level player. I would not do it for the price(s) suggested in this thread but he's nowhere close to the level of player that is untouchable.

No one on this team should be untouchable for the right price. We could also find ourselves in place where we draft another PG this off-season. This team has too many question marks to rule out moving anyone (except maybe Barnes).

[Lord_Zedd]

DET's 1st has very little upside in turning into a decent pick.

Top 13 protected this year
Top 11 protected next year
Top 9 protected in 2027 or a 2027 2nd.

[Tacoma]

No one is untouchable on this team, but getting rid of IQ so soon seems unlikely.

There's absolutely no way they give up on him that quick. The only way he gets traded right now is if a star player is on the table and i just don't see that.

Indeed. It's too quick to quit on Quickley so quickly.