Shams: BI extension (3 Years $120M) **Presser at 5:15pm** Link Pg. 24

[RealFaction]

See now the trade is not that bad. 3 years instead of 5 I can live with.

5 wasn’t possible. 3 was the most prior to the deadline in June I believe.

I thought since we had his bird rights we could sign him the maximum amount of years.

We'd have to wait until FA opens like with Siakam, but definitely possible for 5 with bird's rights. It looks to me like they both wanted 2+1PO with the injury concerns.

[nikster]

If I'm ownership, I'm not going into the tax for a non-contending team.

They don't have to go into the tax for this team next year

[bluerap23]

ok he got his extension, we should absolutely sit him out for the rest of the year.
Scottie - 38M
Ingram - 40M
IQ - 32M
RJ - 27M (extension eligible)
Poeltl - 19.5M (extension eligible)

very expensive starting lineup with very little playoff experience.

Is it that expensive? Seems pretty normal to me.

25%
24.5%
21%
18%
12.6%

~~101% for starting line up and thats of the regular cap, not tax line.

Phoenix is paying more for 3 players...

[douggood]

did a quick refresh of the CBA for myself and things make more sense now. why start at $38.1 why 3 years etc etc

to sign an extension within 6 months of trade, the teams are limited to adding 3 years and max 5% raise.

38.1$ with 5% raises = $40, $41.9

this is considered Extend and trade.

[ontnut]

Honestly, can anyone think of a time where a player got a max extension while being indefinitely out and never having played for the team?

The three year maximum extension with PO shows you the zero leverage we had. I hope it works out but this FO, man they love digging holes.

This isn't a max extension.

[Scase]

If this draft pick is a home run franchise player we’re set up pretty well. If it’s not we’re about to waste another half decade in a major hurry to the middle.

what if we get a star-potential prospect but who don't produce right away like Edgecomb who takes about 4 years to become the next Russell Westbrook?

Same result, but at least we'd have the ability to rebuild there. Presuming you mean Westbrook in skill, so MVP player. Unless you mean takes 4 years to get good, in that case LOL.

[Jerry Lucas]

With this extension confirmed, the Raptors as they stand will begin the season above the luxury tax line next season if they end up with a top 3 pick.

The possible implication here (and org messaging about their feelings on this draft could back this up), is that they are so high on the 3 players at the top of their draft board, that they may have already convinced ownership to spend into the tax next season if they can add a top 3 pick specifically, to this current group of players.

[ontnut]

With this extension confirmed, the Raptors as they stand will begin the season above the luxury tax line next season if they end up with a top 3 pick.

The possible implication here (and org messaging about their feelings on this draft could back this up), is that they are so high on the 3 players at the top of their draft board, that they may have already convinced ownership to spend into the tax next season if they can add a top 3 pick specifically, to this current group of players.

We'd just make a trade to get out of the tax at the deadline next year if we need to. Like the Tucker trade.

[douggood]

With this extension confirmed, the Raptors as they stand will begin the season above the luxury tax line next season if they end up with a top 3 pick.

The possible implication here (and org messaging about their feelings on this draft could back this up), is that they are so high on the 3 players at the top of their draft board, that they may have already convinced ownership to spend into the tax next season if they can add a top 3 pick specifically, to this current group of players.

they have until next deadline to duck under the tax if the best case scenario happens.

[Shakril]

Upper end of what i would have wished for. 40 mil is tough to swallow, but not disastrous.
I just fear, that either RJ or Poeltl have to be traded out of money considerations.

[Jerry Lucas]

they have until next deadline to duck under the tax if the best case scenario happens.

We'd just make a trade to get out of the tax at the deadline next year if we need to. Like the Tucker trade.

It's not impossible that this could be the case as this FO has done it before, but IMO I would hope they learned from what happened with the Dragic situation, that putting yourself in that position leaves you clearly leveraged in the eyes of the rest of the league by forcing a future move that otherwise may not have been necessary.

[Raptorfan2012]

Upper end of what i would have wished for. 40 mil is tough to swallow, but not disastrous.
I just fear, that either RJ or Poeltl have to be traded out of money considerations.

Most likely RJ. He is now like the 5th-6th most important Raptor (definitely behind Barnes, Ingram, IQ, and Jak).

[Shakril]

ok he got his extension, we should absolutely sit him out for the rest of the year.
Scottie - 38M
Ingram - 40M
IQ - 32M
RJ - 27M (extension eligible)
Poeltl - 19.5M (extension eligible)

very expensive starting lineup with very little playoff experience.

Yep. One or two of them will be traded. IQ, RJ or Poeltl are the prime suspects.

[Risk101]

5 wasn’t possible. 3 was the most prior to the deadline in June I believe.

I thought since we had his bird rights we could sign him the maximum amount of years.

We'd have to wait until FA opens like with Siakam, but definitely possible for 5 with bird's rights. It looks to me like they both wanted 2+1PO with the injury concerns.

Yeah I figured we could have maxed him out which was my main concern. Locking him up with those 2 extra years could have done big damage to the franchise. Knowing now that its only 3 years gives us enough time to fully assess him as a player.

[Shakril]

Where are all the posters who thought he would sign a deal starting at $34m?

This organization is so predictable.

More like posters around here are so predictable. Who in their right minds would expect him to take a pay cut?

Who in their right mind pays that much for a big question mark?

He is constantly injured, it forces us to trade one of the other guys and nobody knows how good he actually still can be.
I hope it works out, but i have no confindence in BI whatsoever.

[Dennis 37]

Wish there was no PO but at 40m / year we are actually on the low side of what I thought would happen.

B grade. Would've been an A if it was flat

With a player option, do want it flat? If he opts out, you have paid less money.

[Dennis 37]

Where are all the posters who thought he would sign a deal starting at $34m?

This organization is so predictable.

More like posters around here are so predictable. Who in their right minds would expect him to take a pay cut?

Who in their right mind pays that much for a big question mark?

He is constantly injured, it forces us to trade one of the other guys and nobody knows how good he actually still can be.
I hope it works out, but i have no confindence in BI whatsoever.

Was Kawhi not just as big a question mark? We didn't even know if he would show. Kyle was super ticked off losing his friend. That could have all gone bad.

[Zeno]

I am going to keep an open mind because I can see the logic of this and it could work but this is definitely not a conventional path to rebuilding your team. The lack of flexibility with a young roster is unusual and involves a little risk. Still they have all their picks and outside of IQ, I can’t see any deal as being long enough to ever truly become horrible if the worst case scenario happens.
We have 13 players with our picks and little room under the tax so it is likely in my opinion that we sign Chomche to a full contract going into next year because he will be cheaper as our 2nd round pick. We then carry 14 into season and three two-ways.

Boucher really has no future here so we really should cut ties and buy him out so he can get another opportunity. Maybe we can work out a deal with the Lakers where they cut Koloko and we cut Chris. We can sign him to a three year deal, non guaranteed for years 2 and 3.

[Shakril]

Is Yak summer extention next ?

yep. Yak is from now on in the driver seat. As he essentially is in his last year of his contract, unless he uses his Player Option.
Thats why trading him now, would have been better, unless you already know you extend him. And that will be at least 30 mil a year if he continues the keep playing at the level he does.

[Risk101]

I have yet to see any updates about wether Ingram is going to play any time soon.

Does anyone have any info? Is he shelved until after the All Star break?