JV at EuroBasket 2013 is Done, Lithuania Gets Silver

cold_cowboy · Post #2521 » by **cold_cowboy** » Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:25 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:
cold_cowboy wrote:congrats to france. lithuanians played like ****, kleiza was the only one who looked like he cared.

don't confuse daring to shoot a lot with caring. You could see that the huge French lead definitely bothered Kalnietis and he played his heart out there.

kalnietis truly was into the game, but when i looked at the box score and saw the 17 rebound disparity - to me it speaks about team hustle. i guess playing point guard shouldn't weigh as much on you in terms of rebounding as it should for the rest of the team, especially when there's nothing happening for them on offense.

thehero · Post #2522 » by **thehero** » Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:32 pm

Well, on the lighter note, JV made 15 out of 21 Lithuania's blocks during ALL tournament. While averaging only 16,5 minutes. I was disappointed in Kazlauskas approach with Jonas. During friendlies, he was used a lot, and it was very effective, and as tournament went on, JV was downgraded to 3rd string center. Absurd. Of course, we still got silver and it's great, I just think coach should have relied more on Valanciunas and achievements would be the same at very least, bonus you give more confidence to your future leader and make easier transition to young guns, as Lav and Javtokas seems to be retiring after this one (just a speculation). I hope he uses it as fuel during NBA season.

Gntts · Post #2523 » by **Gntts** » Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:35 pm

dagger wrote:Seriously though, how many games did Lithuania win against superior opponents. This tournament was pretty weak, and Lithuania had a great draw. Imagine drawing Belgium of all teams in the second round. Lithuania got to the finals partly on the strength of a great draw. I think that embellished the final outcome.

How many games did France will against superior opponents? Great Britain?, Belgium?, Ukraine? May be just the win against Spain (3rd place) could be counted, if you do not consider Lithuania (2nd place) as a superior team. France even managed to loose not only to Lithuania, but to Serbia (7th) and Germany (17-18th) as well.

JV4MVP · Post #2524 » by **JV4MVP** » Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:38 pm

Mission Failed

Coach overplayed Javtokas when I think JV would've performed better

The surprise is that France won with Parker having a terrible game. Finally guys such as Batum, Diaw and even Petro stepped up.

cold_cowboy · Post #2525 » by **cold_cowboy** » Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:09 pm

341 days till fiba worlds... can't wait.

also based on fiba rankings, this should net lithaunia +40 points and overcome greece, no?

UcanUwill · Post #2526 » by **UcanUwill** » Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:25 pm

dagger wrote:Seriously though, how many games did Lithuania win against superior opponents. This tournament was pretty weak, and Lithuania had a great draw. Imagine drawing Belgium of all teams in the second round. Lithuania got to the finals partly on the strength of a great draw. I think that embellished the final outcome.

They were 1 game short. Everybody is talking about missing individual talents, but in my view, this tournament had some really good teams.

You are definitely right. Lithuania got a lucky draw, but they had to fight for that medal and it wasn't undeserved. A lot of good teams failed to do that. we saw Turkey and Russia standing hopeless, watching Finland getting past them, we saw Greece imploding. Same group B was solid. Montenegro and Macedonia were real dark horses, FYROM being 4th. place holder of last Eurobasket, and Montenegro being absolutely dominant team in qualification. Second round clinches were up for grabs in that group, and every game was a challenge.

UcanUwill · Post #2527 » by **UcanUwill** » Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:27 pm

cold_cowboy wrote:341 days till fiba worlds... can't wait.

also based on fiba rankings, this should net lithaunia +40 points and overcome greece, no?

Yes, I talked about this few days ago. If not mistaken, Lithuania should have 430 points after this, while Greece should drop to 377.

KarolisJ · Post #2528 » by **KarolisJ** » Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:44 pm

Lithuania claims silver and becomes #4 in FIBA ranking. Not bad. I would say players are really happy with silver (saw and read some post-game interviews) but the thing is it looked like that they stopped trying in the third quarter, the offense was static and they didnt want to do anything, just wait for Kalnietis to shoot...
Speaking of JV, he just wasnt good and he didnt deserve more minutes, IMO. He couldnt do anything, his game style has changed. He was OK in friendlies beause of weak opponents and because Lithuanian refs just called fouls for every touch in favour of Jonas.
Nevertheless, Im excited to see Jonas in NBA, he should be much better this year. 13.5/9/1.5! Mark it.

Regulio · Post #2529 » by **Regulio** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:21 am

Yes that's what I'd like to point out too. JV is great against weak competition. He did serious damage in friendlies, and in games against weaker teams in Eurobasket. He did look lost/frustrated/ineffective against better teams. I think he still has a long way to go psychologically, though I find it strange, as he was used to the pressure while leading our juniors to various titles. Not the case it seems.
I expect big things from him in the future though, to impose his will on the game more, to rise to become a leader. It should come with maturity. Hopefully he will take a step forward this season in NBA.

If someone told me before Eurobasket has started, that we'd get silver, I'd be very happy with it. France just wanted it more I guess. Overall great results, dunno how can anyone blame the coach after that. There will always be mistakes and criticism, it is expected, as there are no coach who always takes the right decisions. Kazlauskas did great imo. His job was not to develop JV, but to win.

T-D0G · Post #2530 » by **T-D0G** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:44 am

Regulio wrote:Yes that's what I'd like to point out too. JV is great against weak competition. He did serious damage in friendlies, and in games against weaker teams in Eurobasket. He did look lost/frustrated/ineffective against better teams. I think he still has a long way to go psychologically, though I find it strange, as he was used to the pressure while leading our juniors to various titles. Not the case it seems.
I expect big things from him in the future though, to impose his will on the game more, to rise to become a leader. It should come with maturity. Hopefully he will take a step forward this season in NBA.

If someone told me before Eurobasket has started, that we'd get silver, I'd be very happy with it. France just wanted it more I guess. Overall great results, dunno how can anyone blame the coach after that. There will always be mistakes and criticism, it is expected, as there are no coach who always takes the right decisions. Kazlauskas did great imo. His job was not to develop JV, but to win.

Can't blame him for not producing against the better teams. He didn't get a fair chance to with so little playing time.

Mototaupa · Post #2531 » by **Mototaupa** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:17 am

Ech, silver is bitter, especialy after toothless fight in finals. But if someone would ask me, how would i feel about silver before whole thing started, i would be extatic. Sadly only Kleiza and Kalnietis showed up too play, rest of team was coasting. Kazlauskas said he made some mistakes in rotations, that was (i think) letting Javtokas in for Darius instead of JV. And yah, im abit disapointed in how coach managed young guys whole tourney. Team was coreless, w/o leader and hes minions.

Question : can someone give link too Raptors shedule for pre-season ?

yaronlev · Post #2532 » by **yaronlev** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:55 am

Darko 2.0

Post #2533 » by **DG88** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:13 pm

Mototaupa wrote:Ech, silver is bitter, especialy after toothless fight in finals. But if someone would ask me, how would i feel about silver before whole thing started, i would be extatic. Sadly only Kleiza and Kalnietis showed up too play, rest of team was coasting. Kazlauskas said he made some mistakes in rotations, that was (i think) letting Javtokas in for Darius instead of JV. And yah, im abit disapointed in how coach managed young guys whole tourney. Team was coreless, w/o leader and hes minions.

Question : can someone give link too Raptors shedule for pre-season ?

Your wish is my command
http://blog.raptors.com/press-releases/ ... easonsked/

yt_boi · Post #2534 » by **yt_boi** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:38 pm

has someone created a youtube mix for JV from the eurobasket?

what were his tournament avg's?

Post #2535 » by **pbj** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:46 pm

yt_boi wrote:has someone created a youtube mix for JV from the eurobasket?

what were his tournament avg's?

16.5 minutes per game / (per 30)
6.5ppg / (11.8)
5.2rpg / (9.45)
1.4bpg / (2.5)
1.2topg / (2.1)
66%FG
71%FT

Had some really good games and some really bad games.. played with a very short leash all tournament.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #2536 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:47 pm

It's finally over? Yes!

JV4MVP · Post #2537 » by **JV4MVP** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:58 pm

pbj wrote:
yt_boi wrote:has someone created a youtube mix for JV from the eurobasket?

what were his tournament avg's?

16.5 minutes per game / (per 30)
6.5ppg / (11.8)
5.2rpg / (9.45)
1.4bpg / (2.5)
1.2topg / (2.1)
66%FG
71%FT

Had some really good games and some really bad games.. played with a very short leash all tournament.

By game:

Mototaupa · Post #2538 » by **Mototaupa** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:06 pm

Btw, someone should rename thread "JV at Raptors 2014", so we Lithuanians, would have place to stop by and whine about everything

JV4MVP · Post #2539 » by **JV4MVP** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:10 pm

Mototaupa wrote:Btw, someone should rename thread "JV at Raptors 2014", so we Lithuanians, would have place to stop by and whine about everything

I think this thread will be locked soon b.c. its 170 pages. There are always a ton of JV threads on this board nevertheless.

If anything, perhaps you can create a new one in several weeks.

arbsn · Post #2540 » by **arbsn** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:06 pm

dagger wrote:Seriously though, how many games did Lithuania win against superior opponents. This tournament was pretty weak, and Lithuania had a great draw. Imagine drawing Belgium of all teams in the second round. Lithuania got to the finals partly on the strength of a great draw. I think that embellished the final outcome.

agree it was a weak draw but Italy and Croatia (last 2 teams they beat) were both top teams in this tournament and Lithuania crushed Croatia