2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II

[Visceral]

I don't think they would give up #7 and their best defensive player for Bargs and Bayless. Also, to me, Thad is more of a 4 then a 3. And I might be one of the few people who thinks Amir should never bulk up, I really like his game as the incredibly mobile finesse big man.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

I don't think they would give up #7 and their best defensive player for Bargs and Bayless. Also, to me, Thad is more of a 4 then a 3. And I might be one of the few people who thinks Amir should never bulk up, I really like his game as the incredibly mobile finesse big man.

Damn, I tried to make that deal as enticing as possible for the Kings. I look at their options at 7, as to who they might draft, and the best they could probably do is Tristan Thompson, Kawhi Leonard, or Biyombo. They've been rumored to be looking for a young PG in the mold of a Teague or Aaron Brooks, so I threw in Bayless, and then, Bargnani is insurance just in case they want to look elsewhere with their money instead of re-signing Dalembert. And with this deal, they can re-sign Dally AND Marcus Thornton. But, that's probably the extent of what they'd be able to do. I'm sure they'd like Tayshaun Prince or somebody like that, so if they want to allocate the money they'd be giving Dalembert, to Prince, that works too. They'd be around 50 mil. in salaries, which is a great number be at. If they re-sign both Dally and Thornton, then they can look to sign a min. guy like Matt Barnes, who lives in SAC to give them a solid, albeit declining, defender.

Obviously for the Raptors, we gain ~6 mil. in additional space under the cap, and Francisco Garcia steps in as the backup SG/SF. Thad Young is a 4/3 who might make more sense if Bargnani was here, so I'd be willing to look elsewhere with our money, maybe a C.

[Rapsobsessed7]

assuming draft goes

CLE: Irving
MIN: Kanter
UTA: Williams
CLE: Val/Bioymbo/Burks/Leonard/Vesley
TOR: Knight
WAS: Vesley/Leonard/Burks/Val/Bioymbo
SAC: Walker

To TOR: Garcia + Dooling + Brockman
To MIL: Udrih + #35
To SAC: Ersan + Calderon

SAC actually saves money in this deal, they draft Kemba at #7 and Calderon eases him into the role. They also get Ersan who would stretch the floor which they need also.

MIL gets their desired backup PG for Ersan really and thats it really, this will give Jennings a nice backup.

TOR saves some money right away and makes room for the newly drafted Brandon Knight.

To TOR: Pekovic + Hayward
To MIN: Barbosa

Knight / Bayless / Dooling
Derozan / Garcia
Johnson / Klezia / Hayward
Davis / Amir / Brockman
Bargnani / Pekovic / Alabi

[luenell]

assuming draft goes

CLE: Irving
MIN: Kanter
UTA: Williams
CLE: Val/Bioymbo/Burks/Leonard/Vesley
TOR: Knight
WAS: Vesley/Leonard/Burks/Val/Bioymbo
SAC: Walker

To TOR: Garcia + Dooling + Brockman
To MIL: Udrih + #35
To SAC: Ersan + Calderon

SAC actually saves money in this deal, they draft Kemba at #7 and Calderon eases him into the role. They also get Ersan who would stretch the floor which they need also.

MIL gets their desired backup PG for Ersan really and thats it really, this will give Jennings a nice backup.

TOR saves some money right away and makes room for the newly drafted Brandon Knight.

To TOR: Pekovic + Hayward
To MIN: Barbosa

Knight / Bayless / Dooling
Derozan / Garcia
Johnson / Klezia / Hayward
Davis / Amir / Brockman
Bargnani / Pekovic / Alabi

I dont think Minnesota is going to pass on Williams. I know they have Kevin Love, but I doubt they do that. If they do, their going to trade the pick to a team that will draft williams

[Rapsfan07]

We could send you Bargnani for Gibson, Asik, a couple picks.

Thats a tough one but knowing how much Bargs makes, I dont think we could swing that. And Asik is pretty high in chicago. Taj will be a good trade chip. Great worker and charachter guy.

Something like Boozer + Gibson + Asik + Picks for Bargnani + Barbosa could be worked out. Maybe Chicago sends Boozer to a 3rd team though since Toronto doesn't need him. Maybe someone like Orlando or Washington.

I was thinking something like this:

to TORONTO: Asik, Bobcats 2012 first (maybe another pick/player here?)
to CHICAGO: Bargnani, J.R Smith (resigned)
to DENVER: Boozer, Barbosa

OR

to TORONTO: Vince Carter, PHX 2012 1st, A.J Price/James Posey
to INDIANA: Jose Calderon, Linas Kleiza (if we take Posey, they have to take him to make it work)
to PHOENIX: Andrea Bargnani

Suns fans seem pretty happy about the second deal. They believe it's a steal for them so we could get them to throw in more perhaps. VC's salary is huge but by moving Jose AND BC it adds up the be exactly the same so we don't lose any capspace or use the TPE! As for the Suns pick, I'd personally like it no more than top-7 protected. With Nash likely on the move, this will be a high lottery team next year. This only works if they pick up VC's team option and then trade him or we'd have to use other players to make the deal work.

The first deal is alright too and Bulls fans would rather Bargs over Boozer. At this stage in the game, we have no need for Boozer so I have him going to the Nuggets to play with Nene. That's an interesting frontcourt and they'll have the money for it with Martin coming off the books. Nene would have to decided whether he's staying though. They give up J.R Smith and receive Barbosa who's off the books next year. We get Asik + Cats 2012 but I think we'd need more... And the downside is the Cats pick is lottery protected.

Just a rough idea. Thoughts anyone?

[itbobby007]

I was thinking something like this:

to TORONTO: Asik, Bobcats 2012 first (maybe another pick/player here?)
to CHICAGO: Bargnani, J.R Smith (resigned)
to DENVER: Boozer, Barbosa

I don't see how this works financial. Under the CBA this trade can't happen. Toronto needs to take on more salary and Denver needs to send more out, like way more.

Run it thru the http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine and get an idea of the salaries that are moving.

[LarSiN]

Thats a tough one but knowing how much Bargs makes, I dont think we could swing that. And Asik is pretty high in chicago. Taj will be a good trade chip. Great worker and charachter guy.[/quote]

Something like Boozer + Gibson + Asik + Picks for Bargnani + Barbosa could be worked out. Maybe Chicago sends Boozer to a 3rd team though since Toronto doesn't need him. Maybe someone like Orlando or Washington.[/quote]

I was thinking something like this:

to TORONTO: Asik, Bobcats 2012 first (maybe another pick/player here?)
to CHICAGO: Bargnani, J.R Smith (resigned)
to DENVER: Boozer, Barbosa

OR

to TORONTO: Vince Carter, PHX 2012 1st, A.J Price/James Posey
to INDIANA: Jose Calderon, Linas Kleiza (if we take Posey, they have to take him to make it work)
to PHOENIX: Andrea Bargnani

Suns fans seem pretty happy about the second deal. They believe it's a steal for them so we could get them to throw in more perhaps. VC's salary is huge but by moving Jose AND BC it adds up the be exactly the same so we don't lose any capspace or use the TPE! As for the Suns pick, I'd personally like it no more than top-7 protected. With Nash likely on the move, this will be a high lottery team next year. This only works if they pick up VC's team option and then trade him or we'd have to use other players to make the deal work.

The first deal is alright too and Bulls fans would rather Bargs over Boozer. At this stage in the game, we have no need for Boozer so I have him going to the Nuggets to play with Nene. That's an interesting frontcourt and they'll have the money for it with Martin coming off the books. Nene would have to decided whether he's staying though. They give up J.R Smith and receive Barbosa who's off the books next year. We get Asik + Cats 2012 but I think we'd need more... And the downside is the Cats pick is lottery protected.

Just a rough idea. Thoughts anyone?[/quote]

Never again

[Rapsfan07]

I was thinking something like this:

to TORONTO: Asik, Bobcats 2012 first (maybe another pick/player here?)
to CHICAGO: Bargnani, J.R Smith (resigned)
to DENVER: Boozer, Barbosa

I don't see how this works financial. Under the CBA this trade can't happen. Toronto needs to take on more salary and Denver needs to send more out, like way more.

Run it thru the http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine and get an idea of the salaries that are moving.

Yeah thats why I have another pick/player going to T.O. Not quite sure who it would have to be to make the trade work but yeah.

[Rapsobsessed7]

I was thinking something like this:

to TORONTO: Asik, Bobcats 2012 first (maybe another pick/player here?)
to CHICAGO: Bargnani, J.R Smith (resigned)
to DENVER: Boozer, Barbosa

I don't see how this works financial. Under the CBA this trade can't happen. Toronto needs to take on more salary and Denver needs to send more out, like way more.

Run it thru the http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine and get an idea of the salaries that are moving.

Yeah thats why I have another pick/player going to T.O. Not quite sure who it would have to be to make the trade work but yeah.

actually no. The framework of the deal works

To TOR: Asik
To DEN: Boozer
To CHI: Bargnani

* Denver has a 17.1 million dollar TE that they can send to absorb Boozer through that. Now it means they likely dont keep Chandler but it does fill a position of need for them.

Now when you included JR Smith S&T + the fact Denver has to absorb Boozer through the TE then it gets a little tricky and very complicated.

You could just send Barbosa to CHI town with Bogans coming to Toronto.

This is also assuming DEN is willing to part with the TE and lose probably Chandler + Smith.

[Rapsfan07]

to TORONTO: Vince Carter, PHX 2012 1st, A.J Price/James Posey
to INDIANA: Jose Calderon, Linas Kleiza (if we take Posey, they have to take him to make it work)
to PHOENIX: Andrea Bargnani

Suns fans seem pretty happy about the second deal. They believe it's a steal for them so we could get them to throw in more perhaps. VC's salary is huge but by moving Jose AND BC it adds up the be exactly the same so we don't lose any capspace or use the TPE! As for the Suns pick, I'd personally like it no more than top-7 protected. With Nash likely on the move, this will be a high lottery team next year. This only works if they pick up VC's team option and then trade him or we'd have to use other players to make the deal work.

The first deal is alright too and Bulls fans would rather Bargs over Boozer. At this stage in the game, we have no need for Boozer so I have him going to the Nuggets to play with Nene. That's an interesting frontcourt and they'll have the money for it with Martin coming off the books. Nene would have to decided whether he's staying though. They give up J.R Smith and receive Barbosa who's off the books next year. We get Asik + Cats 2012 but I think we'd need more... And the downside is the Cats pick is lottery protected.

Just a rough idea. Thoughts anyone?[/quote]

Never again[/quote]

You do this and RUN! VC has a team option for 18 million for the 11-12 year. That's a lot of money but of we send out Jose AND Bargs in the same move, the combination of their salaries equal VC last year. So we'll get instant savings on BOTH of those contracts AND a 2012 pick. The Suns get Bargnani who they can pair with Gortat

[Silk Wilkes]

I don't see how this works financial. Under the CBA this trade can't happen. Toronto needs to take on more salary and Denver needs to send more out, like way more.

Run it thru the http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine and get an idea of the salaries that are moving.

Yeah thats why I have another pick/player going to T.O. Not quite sure who it would have to be to make the trade work but yeah.

actually no. The framework of the deal works

To TOR: Asik
To DEN: Boozer
To CHI: Bargnani

* Denver has a 17.1 million dollar TE that they can send to absorb Boozer through that. Now it means they likely dont keep Chandler but it does fill a position of need for them.

Now when you included JR Smith S&T + the fact Denver has to absorb Boozer through the TE then it gets a little tricky and very complicated.

You could just send Barbosa to CHI town with Bogans coming to Toronto.

This is also assuming DEN is willing to part with the TE and lose probably Chandler + Smith.

If Smith doesn't want to return it could work beautifully. Every team seems to improve through this trade. As for Denver's TE, it's not likely they'll be able to get a better fit or talent than Boozer with it.

[Rapsobsessed7]

to TORONTO: Vince Carter, PHX 2012 1st, A.J Price/James Posey
to INDIANA: Jose Calderon, Linas Kleiza (if we take Posey, they have to take him to make it work)
to PHOENIX: Andrea Bargnani

Suns fans seem pretty happy about the second deal. They believe it's a steal for them so we could get them to throw in more perhaps. VC's salary is huge but by moving Jose AND BC it adds up the be exactly the same so we don't lose any capspace or use the TPE! As for the Suns pick, I'd personally like it no more than top-7 protected. With Nash likely on the move, this will be a high lottery team next year. This only works if they pick up VC's team option and then trade him or we'd have to use other players to make the deal work.

The first deal is alright too and Bulls fans would rather Bargs over Boozer. At this stage in the game, we have no need for Boozer so I have him going to the Nuggets to play with Nene. That's an interesting frontcourt and they'll have the money for it with Martin coming off the books. Nene would have to decided whether he's staying though. They give up J.R Smith and receive Barbosa who's off the books next year. We get Asik + Cats 2012 but I think we'd need more... And the downside is the Cats pick is lottery protected.

Just a rough idea. Thoughts anyone?

Never again[/quote]

You do this and RUN! VC has a team option for 18 million for the 11-12 year. That's a lot of money but of we send out Jose AND Bargs in the same move, the combination of their salaries equal VC last year. So we'll get instant savings on BOTH of those contracts AND a 2012 pick. The Suns get Bargnani who they can pair with Gortat[/quote]

he doesnt have a team option but he is partially unguaranteed (only 4 million) until June 30th. So the deal would have to happen before then and allow Toronto to waive him thus only having 4 million remain on the cap.

[Silk Wilkes]

to TORONTO: Vince Carter, PHX 2012 1st, A.J Price/James Posey
to INDIANA: Jose Calderon, Linas Kleiza (if we take Posey, they have to take him to make it work)
to PHOENIX: Andrea Bargnani

Suns fans seem pretty happy about the second deal. They believe it's a steal for them so we could get them to throw in more perhaps. VC's salary is huge but by moving Jose AND BC it adds up the be exactly the same so we don't lose any capspace or use the TPE! As for the Suns pick, I'd personally like it no more than top-7 protected. With Nash likely on the move, this will be a high lottery team next year. This only works if they pick up VC's team option and then trade him or we'd have to use other players to make the deal work.

The first deal is alright too and Bulls fans would rather Bargs over Boozer. At this stage in the game, we have no need for Boozer so I have him going to the Nuggets to play with Nene. That's an interesting frontcourt and they'll have the money for it with Martin coming off the books. Nene would have to decided whether he's staying though. They give up J.R Smith and receive Barbosa who's off the books next year. We get Asik + Cats 2012 but I think we'd need more... And the downside is the Cats pick is lottery protected.

Just a rough idea. Thoughts anyone?

Never again

You do this and RUN! VC has a team option for 18 million for the 11-12 year. That's a lot of money but of we send out Jose AND Bargs in the same move, the combination of their salaries equal VC last year. So we'll get instant savings on BOTH of those contracts AND a 2012 pick. The Suns get Bargnani who they can pair with Gortat[/quote]

he doesnt have a team option but he is partially unguaranteed (only 4 million) until June 30th. So the deal would have to happen before then and allow Toronto to waive him thus only having 4 million remain on the cap.[/quote]

Agreed. This deal is one the Raptors would be amazingly smart to jump at. Imagine having an 18 million dollar expiring on your books to have leverage in trades with? Wow. That's a star or 2 very good role players at the trade deadline.

[Rapsfan07]

I was thinking something like this:

to TORONTO: Asik, Bobcats 2012 first (maybe another pick/player here?)
to CHICAGO: Bargnani, J.R Smith (resigned)
to DENVER: Boozer, Barbosa

Yeah thats why I have another pick/player going to T.O. Not quite sure who it would have to be to make the trade work but yeah.

actually no. The framework of the deal works

To TOR: Asik
To DEN: Boozer
To CHI: Bargnani

* Denver has a 17.1 million dollar TE that they can send to absorb Boozer through that. Now it means they likely dont keep Chandler but it does fill a position of need for them.

Now when you included JR Smith S&T + the fact Denver has to absorb Boozer through the TE then it gets a little tricky and very complicated.

You could just send Barbosa to CHI town with Bogans coming to Toronto.

This is also assuming DEN is willing to part with the TE and lose probably Chandler + Smith.

Yeah I remember afterward that Denver has a TE. Wouldn't they still have money to try and retain Chandler since they have Kenyon Martin coming off the books?

[Rapsobsessed7]

Yungblood

it depends though. You add Boozers 13 million to their salary cap and their at 54 million. Are they then going to pay Chandler, AA, their draft pick and have to pay Gallo the next year and eventually extend Nene? Just seems like a ton of money. I think DEN would MUCH rather Bargnani because he would cost around 4 million less annually than Boozer and is younger too.

Maybe theres a 3 team trade where.

To TOR: 3rd Team C + Contract
To DEN: Bargnani
To 3rd Team: TE

[Rapsobsessed7]

[quote="Rapsfan07"}
I was thinking something like this:

to TORONTO: Asik, Bobcats 2012 first (maybe another pick/player here?)
to CHICAGO: Bargnani, J.R Smith (resigned)
to DENVER: Boozer, Barbosa

Yeah thats why I have another pick/player going to T.O. Not quite sure who it would have to be to make the trade work but yeah.

actually no. The framework of the deal works

To TOR: Asik
To DEN: Boozer
To CHI: Bargnani

* Denver has a 17.1 million dollar TE that they can send to absorb Boozer through that. Now it means they likely dont keep Chandler but it does fill a position of need for them.

Now when you included JR Smith S&T + the fact Denver has to absorb Boozer through the TE then it gets a little tricky and very complicated.

You could just send Barbosa to CHI town with Bogans coming to Toronto.

This is also assuming DEN is willing to part with the TE and lose probably Chandler + Smith.[/quote]

Yeah I remember afterward that Denver has a TE. Wouldn't they still have money to try and retain Chandler since they have Kenyon Martin coming off the books?[/quote]

as i stated above they would go to 54 million in committed salaries.

- They then have #22 in the draft which would count against their cap
- Gallos extension past this year
- Nene's eventual extension past this year
- AA's contract to deal with this summer
- Chandlers contract to deal with this summer

all while adding Boozer to the payroll. As i said above too i think Bargnani to DEN makes much more sense. Hes less expensive, younger and would allow them to keep Chandler while not spending too much. However i dont see BC dumping Bargnani for a TE so it would have to be a 3 team trade unless hes going after a C via FA (Jordan,Gasol,Oden) in which case Bargnani for the TE would make sense.

you get a C via FA if you do this deal because i looked around dont see many options for a 3 team deal.

Knight / Bayless
Derozan / SG
Johnson / Klezia
Davis / Amir
Jordan / C (Calderon trade) / Alabi

that is of course assuming you can sign Jordan. It would bring your cap to around 41 million (after signing our 1st round pick this year (#5)) and would leave you with a bunch of space to make a deal. However how much is enough for the Clippers to walk away? Hes best friends with Blake Griffin, i just dont see them allowing him to walk. Then you have Oden, Gasol, Dalembert, Chandler which i dont see Memphis letting Gasol go and the rest are either risks or up there in age.

[Rapsobsessed7]

and rapsfan07

you need to work on your quoting. It gets very confusing trying to read posts when their all together like that. I dont understand what your doing because all you have to do is press the quote button.

[ballislife]

I have a friend that went to the Canadian Basketball conference today and spoke to both Colangelo and Maurizio regarding the future of our team. He basically came out with the idea that we are more likely than not to keep the 5th pick... not sure who we'll draft yet, but we will draft one of the best available players. He specifically asked them to draft Brandon Knight at #5.. BC didn't clarify much - he basically said we'll draft someone at that position depending on what happens earlier on. Moreover, they were pretty upset with the fact that the Calderon-to-Charlotte trade didn't go through and there's a pretty good chance that Calderon is moved before next season comes around. With all this info it looks more and more likely that we are going to pick a PG at #5.

[Rapsfan07]

I have a friend that went to the Canadian Basketball conference today and spoke to both Colangelo and Maurizio regarding the future of our team. He basically came out with the idea that we are more likely than not to keep the 5th pick... not sure who we'll draft yet, but we will draft one of the best available players. He specifically asked them to draft Brandon Knight at #5.. BC didn't clarify much - he basically said we'll draft someone at that position depending on what happens earlier on. Moreover, they were pretty upset with the fact that the Calderon-to-Charlotte trade didn't go through and there's a pretty good chance that Calderon is moved before next season comes around. With all this info it looks more and more likely that we are going to pick a PG at #5.

I see... well I don't think we have much of a need for Kemba. He looks like Jonny Flynn to me so I don't think I'd be drafting him. I'd be selecting one of Kanter/Val unless we can move up. Bayless can have the keys next year if anything. I wish we'd do the IND-TOR-PHX trade I proposed because that would REALLY help the rebuild

[ballislife]

Sorry, some confirmation about the Calderon situation: Calderon's contract is difficult to move right now, but his contract will be in it's final year after next season, so there'll be many options to deal him. With this, I think it's unlikely we deal him this off season, however there's a VERY good chance he's dealt the following season.