PG: Boardnani

[Ziplox]

I went to the game and to be honest Bargnani was playing terribly, despite the decent numbers. Calderon played equally bad. Ed Davis was the best player on the court for the raptors, and James Johnson was good on D, Amir played well too....Wish Bayless showed some more playmaking skills but looks same as before.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

I call BS. I saw a few nice draw & kicks today (same as late last season). Is he elite? No, but with experience he could easily be good enough.

He can do it on and off but not consistently. But Jose can do it on and off too. Its not meant to be a knock on him that he can't do these things. He got inconsistent minutes last year so it's just about trying to figure out what kind of player he is, instead of creating a frame of expectations and trying to fit him in it.

This is one game. I agree, he wasn't at his best. There were about 19 games last season where he looked much, much better.

This really needs to be said: Most of those games were at the end of the season when most teams are tanking or resting their players for the playoffs. Most players are also playing with injuries.
Bayless on the other hand had taken a lot of games off during the middle of the season, I believe due to an ankle injury. IMO, he was just more fresh at the end of the season than the other players.
And of course like I said, he looks better in a fast paced game. Today's game was slow, sloppy, plodding, not conducive to his abilities. Maybe he will bounce back. I'll be rooting for him anyways.

[Kabookalu]

This really needs to be said: Most of those games were at the end of the season when most teams are tanking or resting their players for the playoffs. Most players are also playing with injuries.
Bayless on the other hand had taken a lot of games off during the middle of the season, I believe due to an ankle injury. IMO, he was just more fresh at the end of the season than the other players.
And of course like I said, he looks better in a fast paced game. Today's game was slow, sloppy, plodding, not conducive to his abilities. Maybe he will bounce back. I'll be rooting for him anyways.

The only game you can make a case for where teams were resting their starters was Miami, the very last game of the season. Most of the teams we played when Bayless starting were trying to get better playoff seeding. And it needs mentioning that 8 out of the 14 games we played was against a top 10 defense (3 of them against Chicago, the number one defense in the league).

[MEDIC]

This really needs to be said: Most of those games were at the end of the season when most teams are tanking or resting their players for the playoffs.

Yeah, but they were also some of the best defensive teams in the NBA.

[CB4Champ]

True Say, I was not saying that The Boy Bay had an great game.

I was just saying his TO'S was because of Attacking. And he was hitting his shots in the 2nd half.

Demar will be legit this year and all I can say is MAN.

This team will not progress until Casey wakes up from his dream and realizes that Demar needs an PG that will Find him and create easy shots for him. Jose does not do this.

Barbosa and The Boy Bay are way too similar to be playing at the same time unless one of them is having an Hot streak. Jose CAN'T drive, so he should play with Barbosa.

This team saw much progression last year when the Coach was forced to make Bayless the starter. Lets hope it does not come to that again.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

This really needs to be said: Most of those games were at the end of the season when most teams are tanking or resting their players for the playoffs. Most players are also playing with injuries.
Bayless on the other hand had taken a lot of games off during the middle of the season, I believe due to an ankle injury. IMO, he was just more fresh at the end of the season than the other players.
And of course like I said, he looks better in a fast paced game. Today's game was slow, sloppy, plodding, not conducive to his abilities. Maybe he will bounce back. I'll be rooting for him anyways.

The only game you can make a case for where teams were resting their starters was Miami, the very last game of the season. Most of the teams we played when Bayless starting were trying to get better playoff seeding. And it needs mentioning that 8 out of the 14 games we played was against a top 10 defense (3 of them against Chicago, the number one defense in the league).

Even if I concede the tanking point, a lot of players are worn down at the end of the season. Bayless was more rested simply because he'd been injured in the middle of the season.
At any rate, he's a decent one on one scorer. His PG skills are the biggest concern. Can he inititate offensive sets? Can he get open shots to Demar or Bargs or whoever else? IMO, he can't do it consistently enough.

[Kabookalu]

At any rate, he's a decent one on one scorer. His PG skills are the biggest concern. Can he inititate offensive sets? Can he get open shots to Demar or Bargs or whoever else? IMO, he can't do it consistently enough.

He's better than Calderon. Calderon dribbles and dribbles and dribbles until he can find someone open to pad his assist stats. Bayless will get his team into the offense and will allow his teammates like James Johnson and DeRozan to handle it and create for themselves. With Calderon, he believes the offense should be ran around him and he's nowhere near the Chris Paul/Steve Nash level to do that.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

I just think we have to try somebody else other than Jose at PG. I think it's time for that.

[Balls Mahoney]

Some things never change. Inability to block out on defensive rebounding costs us another game.

DID YOU WATCH THE GAME?!?

As a matter of fact I did. Did you?

[T_Biggums]

I just think we have to try somebody else other than Jose at PG. I think it's time for that.

Who Anthony Carter? good lord I forgot to include him in my rant earlier... What an ugly little squad this is.

[dTox]

At any rate, he's a decent one on one scorer. His PG skills are the biggest concern. Can he inititate offensive sets? Can he get open shots to Demar or Bargs or whoever else? IMO, he can't do it consistently enough.

He's better than Calderon. Calderon dribbles and dribbles and dribbles until he can find someone open to pad his assist stats. Bayless will get his team into the offense and will allow his teammates like James Johnson and DeRozan to handle it and create for themselves. With Calderon, he believes the offense should be ran around him and he's nowhere near the Chris Paul/Steve Nash level to do that.

Yet some people seem to not understand this concept. I think because Calderon just waits there like a pansy afraid of turning the ball over, people mistake that for real offense where as Bayless will try to create for himself and others by attacking opponents defense.. the problem is that it leads to some turnovers which is absolutely normal, and given his young age he will make some mistakes that a guy like Calderon wouldn't but people should not confuse that with talent. Bayless is just a better overall talent than Jose, and he has way more upside...since its a tanking season you should give the starting position to the guy who can yield you more results in the future not some temporary fix like Calderon.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

At any rate, he's a decent one on one scorer. His PG skills are the biggest concern. Can he inititate offensive sets? Can he get open shots to Demar or Bargs or whoever else? IMO, he can't do it consistently enough.

He's better than Calderon. Calderon dribbles and dribbles and dribbles until he can find someone open to pad his assist stats. Bayless will get his team into the offense and will allow his teammates like James Johnson and DeRozan to handle it and create for themselves. With Calderon, he believes the offense should be ran around him and he's nowhere near the Chris Paul/Steve Nash level to do that.

This is not a Jose v Bayless argument for me.
Whoever is the PG needs to be able to run plays, and Jose can do that and Bayless can't.
I don't have a problem with Bayless starting if J. Johnson's willing to take on point-forward duties, but somebody has to able to inititate an offensive set, whoever it may be.

[Undefeated]

Even if I concede the tanking point, a lot of players are worn down at the end of the season. Bayless was more rested simply because he'd been injured in the middle of the season. At any rate, he's a decent one on one scorer. His PG skills are the biggest concern. Can he inititate offensive sets? Can he get open shots to Demar or Bargs or whoever else? IMO, he can't do it consistently enough.

Bayless wasn't sidelined for long period of stretches where it was possible for him to get good rest. He missed two games in January, came back to play three games, rested for two, then went on to play for most of the season. That's not a whole lot of rest for it to have a positive effect on his health.

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4473/gamelog;_ylt=Anb.0cyy4S9sDJjgrFBy6ueXRwU6

Again, Bayless' PG skills are fine. For all the knock on Bayless' vision, he does a rather fine job of finding the open man underneath the basket for those drop off/dump off passes where the big simply goes straight up for the flush. When have we seen the Raptors run back cuts or staggered screens for those duck-in where Bayless can make wrap around passes? Never. The Raptors didn't have three-point shooters last that Bayless could draw-and-kick to. Just the first game with improved 3-pt shooting, he found Barbosa at least twice I remember in the corner and Forbes plenty of times today, but Barbosa couldn't connect.

[dagger]

I have no problem with Jose's offence when he's hitting his shots, but let's face it. Neither he nor Bayless is our point guard of the future.

Glad Myck Kabongo had a good game yesterday and I keep hoping, given the glut of power forwards at the time of this draft, that one of the point guards catches fire over the next few months and shoots up the mock draft at least into the top 10.

[T_Biggums]

At any rate, he's a decent one on one scorer. His PG skills are the biggest concern. Can he inititate offensive sets? Can he get open shots to Demar or Bargs or whoever else? IMO, he can't do it consistently enough.

He's better than Calderon. Calderon dribbles and dribbles and dribbles until he can find someone open to pad his assist stats. Bayless will get his team into the offense and will allow his teammates like James Johnson and DeRozan to handle it and create for themselves. With Calderon, he believes the offense should be ran around him and he's nowhere near the Chris Paul/Steve Nash level to do that.

Bayless and El Matador debate... Priceless.

Bayless is largely a bench player 8th man. El Matador is a closer to being a bull fighter than a NBA PG I don't care who wants to disagree.

My favourite position in basketball is PG and having these two as PG's is just horrific.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Again, Bayless' PG skills are fine. For all the knock on Bayless' vision, he does a rather fine job of finding the open man underneath the basket for those dump drop off/dump off passes where the big simply goes straight up for the flush. When have we seen the Raptors run back cuts or staggered screens for those duck-in where Bayless can make wrap around passes? Never. The Raptors didn't have three-point shooters last that Bayless could draw-and-kick to. Just the first game with improved 3-pt shooting, he found Barbosa at least twice I remember in the corner and Forbes plenty of times today, but Barbosa couldn't connect.

I hope you're right and I'm proven wrong. The scoring abilities of Bayless would definitely space our floor out better and take some of the pressure off Bargs and Demar.

[T_Biggums]

I have no problem with Jose's offence when he's hitting his shots, but let's face it. Neither he nor Bayless is our point guard of the future.

Glad Myck Kabongo had a good game yesterday and I keep hoping, given the glut of power forwards at the time of this draft, that one of the point guards catches fire over the next few months and shoots up the mock draft at least into the top 10.

QFT... We're splitting hairs about two mediocre at best ballers.

[Kabookalu]

This is not a Jose v Bayless argument for me.
Whoever is the PG needs to be able to run plays, and Jose can do that and Bayless can't.
I don't have a problem with Bayless starting if J. Johnson's willing to take on point-forward duties, but somebody has to able to inititate an offensive set, whoever it may be.

Bayless can set up an offense just fine. Setting up the offense isn't just exclusive to making passes that directly lead to an assist, which is the often believed myth on these boards, and probably the biggest reason why people think Calderon think is so good at setting up an offense when it's not true. Bayless gets his team's offense running and when things go weary, he can create for his own, but many see this as him being selfish and a chucker.

[Kabookalu]

My favourite position in basketball is PG and having these two as PG's is just horrific.

Too bad no one really cares about your point of view for basketball.

[ty123]

At any rate, he's a decent one on one scorer. His PG skills are the biggest concern. Can he inititate offensive sets? Can he get open shots to Demar or Bargs or whoever else? IMO, he can't do it consistently enough.

He's better than Calderon. Calderon dribbles and dribbles and dribbles until he can find someone open to pad his assist stats. Bayless will get his team into the offense and will allow his teammates like James Johnson and DeRozan to handle it and create for themselves. With Calderon, he believes the offense should be ran around him and he's nowhere near the Chris Paul/Steve Nash level to do that.

Bayless and El Matador debate... Priceless.

Bayless is largely a bench player 8th man. El Matador is a closer to being a bull fighter than a NBA PG I don't care who wants to disagree.

My favourite position in basketball is PG and having these two as PG's is just horrific.

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