Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired

[sanity]

He is not his father. The whole "respect" thing is getting ridiculous

[SDM]

He is not his father. The whole "respect" thing is getting ridiculous

Colangelo's tenure is seen by the US media as a disaster, on the whole. And he's viewed by these same people to be a guy who overpays. If pundits think this and don't hesitate to say it publicly, other teams and agents think the same.

I think by "respect", folks are meaning "handsome and stylish". But Hugh Jackman's a better looking guy and I don't want him to run this team either.

[UN-Owen]

It really is amazing the greatest basketball mind of all time just happened to have been born into the most powerful family in American basketball

[Big Shot]

If not because of that little respect still left, he would have been run out of the town long time ago.

[ReggieSlater]

I could do as good of job as this guy and so could most posters here.

Oh, I see. You're a crazy person.

[Abba Zabba]

Meh.
Timing.
Firing him 4 games into the season says a lot of things about our franchise, all of them bad. This is a horrible message to send to your players and the rest of the league at this point. Also it makes us look like clowns: why start the season with him at all if you are going to fire him 4 games in? Why didn't we fire him last summer after the draft? Who sabotages their own season like this? Firing BC now is a horrible idea.

We can really examine this as an option at the trade deadline or next summer. If the team is playing like crap at that point we can fire him, tank (better tank hard or we'll be giving it away!)and bring in a new team with enough time to evaluate the draft. Or we can hold on to him for his drafting ability (he is one the better ones on this front) and fire him right after that and give the new GM all summer to take over the reigns.

4-5 games into the season? Stupid idea.

[whysoserious]

Meh.
Timing.
Firing him 4 games into the season says a lot of things about our franchise, all of them bad. This is a horrible message to send to your players and the rest of the league at this point. Also it makes us look like clowns: why start the season with him at all if you are going to fire him 4 games in? Why didn't we fire him last summer after the draft? Who sabotages their own season like this? Firing BC now is a horrible idea.

We can really examine this as an option at the trade deadline or next summer. If the team is playing like crap at that point we can fire him, tank (better tank hard or we'll be giving it away!)and bring in a new team with enough time to evaluate the draft. Or we can hold on to him for his drafting ability (he is one the better ones on this front) and fire him right after that and give the new GM all summer to take over the reigns.

4-5 games into the season? Stupid idea.

It's okay for the Lakers to fire Brown after 5 games but we can't make a decision on Colangelo 5 games in and BC's been in Toronto a lot longer than Brown has been in LA.

It does say a lot about our franchise and not in the way you think.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

Meh.
Timing.
Firing him 4 games into the season says a lot of things about our franchise, all of them bad. This is a horrible message to send to your players and the rest of the league at this point. Also it makes us look like clowns: why start the season with him at all if you are going to fire him 4 games in? Why didn't we fire him last summer after the draft? Who sabotages their own season like this? Firing BC now is a horrible idea.

We can really examine this as an option at the trade deadline or next summer. If the team is playing like crap at that point we can fire him, tank (better tank hard or we'll be giving it away!)and bring in a new team with enough time to evaluate the draft. Or we can hold on to him for his drafting ability (he is one the better ones on this front) and fire him right after that and give the new GM all summer to take over the reigns.

4-5 games into the season? Stupid idea.

It's okay for the Lakers to fire Brown after 5 games but we can't make a decision on Colangelo 5 games in and BC's been in Toronto a lot longer than Brown has been in LA.

It does say a lot about our franchise and not in the way you think.

Brown was the coach last year too. They've obviously been concerned about him since last year.

I just don't see why you fire BC now. I see firing him towards the end of the year if they don't want to extend him, and they want to give a new gm time to prepare for FA and draft, but by the sounds of things we want to build withe the pieces he brought here. If they don't have faith they should fire him. But I'd scratch my head if I"m Casey, Lowry of Val or DeRozan, with regards to what that means about the direction of the team and them if they fire the guy that drafted them, traded for them, and just extended them. You don't really think someone going to come down and talk to them and say it was done so they they could move Bargs, Jose and Klieza, not make the same mistake passing on Drummond and they're gonna be like 'thanks'.

[whysoserious]

Brown was the coach last year too. They've obviously been concerned about him since last year.

But that's my point, we've got the history to asses BC. Maybe timing is not right to make a decision but you can't say 5 games is too soon or looks amateur on us. We've got the history to assess. In fact, waiting also could send the message that compacency and poor results is acceptable by the Raptors.

I'm just not buying the 5 game argument.

[Ari_Emanuel]

Imho, BC has dug his own grave by not committing to a particular course of action. He says playoffs are the goal, but signs Landry Fields as the upgrade that is supposed to put us there. If he was really committed to winning now, he would have pulled off a trade with Presti to land Harden, even if it meant packaging JV (not saying its the right decision, just saying it would be the right "win now" decision).

[lucky777s]

Meh.
Timing.
Firing him 4 games into the season says a lot of things about our franchise, all of them bad.

Ridiculous. Like saying trading Fields now would look bad. Timing? Can't fire him now, can't fire him before the trade deadline, can't fire him before the draft or FA signing period. How many more decisions do you let this guy make? You dump him as soon as you come to the realization that he sucks. That was years ago. We are late. Just get it done.

Who sabotages their own season like this?

Uh, that would be BC. Chasing Nash and signing Fields and not maximizing value on his draft picks. Not trading Bargs or upgrading the wings.

[BD12]

Imho, BC has dug his own grave by not committing to a particular course of action. He says playoffs are the goal, but signs Landry Fields as the upgrade that is supposed to put us there. If he was really committed to winning now, he would have pulled off a trade with Presti to land Harden, even if it meant packaging JV (not saying its the right decision, just saying it would be the right "win now" decision).

To be fair, he traded our first round pick for Lowry. Even then, Lowry has been to the playoffs only once in his 6 season career.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

Brown was the coach last year too. They've obviously been concerned about him since last year.

But that's my point, we've got the history to asses BC. Maybe timing is not right to make a decision but you can't say 5 games is too soon or looks amateur on us. We've got the history to assess. In fact, waiting also could send the message that compacency and poor results is acceptable by the Raptors.

I'm just not buying the 5 game argument.

But what are you firing him for? For the teams slow start? For residual anger over the Bargs pick and Jose extension? For not getting Nash? For getting Feilds? For extending DeMar..... If they don't have faith, they should fire him. If it's about results this year, then it's too early. If it's about the past, then they shouldn't have extended him in the first place.

[UN-Owen]

Meh.
Timing.
Firing him 4 games into the season says a lot of things about our franchise, all of them bad. This is a horrible message to send to your players and the rest of the league at this point. Also it makes us look like clowns: why start the season with him at all if you are going to fire him 4 games in? Why didn't we fire him last summer after the draft? Who sabotages their own season like this? Firing BC now is a horrible idea.

We can really examine this as an option at the trade deadline or next summer. If the team is playing like crap at that point we can fire him, tank (better tank hard or we'll be giving it away!)and bring in a new team with enough time to evaluate the draft. Or we can hold on to him for his drafting ability (he is one the better ones on this front) and fire him right after that and give the new GM all summer to take over the reigns.

4-5 games into the season? Stupid idea.

Why fire BC and sabotage this season when we can leave him be and sabotage the next 3 - 4?


I'm far more concerned what it says about our franchise when our GM and his abysmal record aren't held accountable

[Ari_Emanuel]

Meh.
Timing.
Firing him 4 games into the season says a lot of things about our franchise, all of them bad.

Ridiculous. Like saying trading Fields now would look bad. Timing? Can't fire him now, can't fire him before the trade deadline, can't fire him before the draft or FA signing period. How many more decisions do you let this guy make? You dump him as soon as you come to the realization that he sucks. That was years ago. We are late. Just get it done.

This. As I've said before, with BC it is always one step forward and one step backward. He's proved incapable of coherently and faithfully following a particular strategy. He's also proved incapable of stringing together a series of good moves - consecutive good decisions that will catapult a franchise into a playoff team.

I like many of the assets we have now but I don't trust him to maximize these assets in the future. We have number of young talented players locked in, and we should bring in a new gm to cut the fat and put us on course for what is truly needed: one last tank job.

[whysoserious]

But what are you firing him for? For the teams slow start? For residual anger over the Bargs pick and Jose extension? For not getting Nash? For getting Feilds? For extending DeMar..... If they don't have faith, they should fire him. If it's about results this year, then it's too early. If it's about the past, then they shouldn't have extended him in the first place.

Agreed, but I don't think you can rule out the decision process just cause it's 5 games. It's not one or the other. You know where I stand and I wouldn't have extended him the first time. But that's done, I probably would have fired him after last season despite the extention, but that's gone. But even if you took the position of looking past that and giving him a chance, that doesn't mean you can't assess the current team in the context of his past performance and making a decision to fire him now cannot be ruled out under the 5 game premise.

I'd probably fire him now cause I would have done it before but I can't see how you can rule out any evaluation period and making a decision. I mean the Lakers didn't sit there and say well it's only 5 games and their starting PG is hurt, why should our standards be different to assess what's going on?

[Too Late Crew]

Meh.
Timing.
Firing him 4 games into the season says a lot of things about our franchise, all of them bad. This is a horrible message to send to your players and the rest of the league at this point. Also it makes us look like clowns: why start the season with him at all if you are going to fire him 4 games in? Why didn't we fire him last summer after the draft? Who sabotages their own season like this? Firing BC now is a horrible idea.

We can really examine this as an option at the trade deadline or next summer. If the team is playing like crap at that point we can fire him, tank (better tank hard or we'll be giving it away!)and bring in a new team with enough time to evaluate the draft. Or we can hold on to him for his drafting ability (he is one the better ones on this front) and fire him right after that and give the new GM all summer to take over the reigns.

4-5 games into the season? Stupid idea.

So you want to keep a guy who you fire because of his bad trades until the trade deadline? Why so he can make some more bad trades trying to save his job?

He should have been let go long ago and every day you delay is one less day you get towards improving. The play of Fields alone should be enough to condemn the guy to the unemployment line.

[Baester]

Coleangelo knows more about basketball than anyone on this board. As much as that will pain the negative folks around here.

On paper he does. On paper he also puts together losing teams that many posters here have accurately predicted would be poor performing. I don't think there's anything in the last 7 years that indicates he's more effective than some posters here would be.

Wait. Many, MANY posters have inaccurately predicted they would perform well - more so than those who thought they would perform poorly by a mile.

[Ari_Emanuel]

Imho, BC has dug his own grave by not committing to a particular course of action. He says playoffs are the goal, but signs Landry Fields as the upgrade that is supposed to put us there. If he was really committed to winning now, he would have pulled off a trade with Presti to land Harden, even if it meant packaging JV (not saying its the right decision, just saying it would be the right "win now" decision).

To be fair, he traded our first round pick for Lowry. Even then, Lowry has been to the playoffs only once in his 6 season career.

He did do well with Lowry, who has been rising the past two years and is known to people inside the league. This is exactly what I'm talking about though. He coupled that good win now move with that horrid Landry signing. I know signing Fields wasn't his goal but result is still the same.

Again, i'm not saying win now is the way to go, but if he was truly committed to winning now, I see no reason why he couldn't have been the one to pull off the trade for Harden. Val is a great prospect, but he won't consistently look like the player he's destined to become for maybe 3 years. We could stomache that if we had more capspace or more talent at the 3, but we don't.

[Morris_Shatford]

It's not BC's fault he hasn't had a chance at drafting a superstar (Maybe Val can approach that, but he's probably a #2), and you can't trade for one unless you're in one of those desireable 4-5 cities. One of which is what is required to be an above mediocre team in the NBA. This league is the worst in professional sports for balance.

Coleangelo knows more about basketball than anyone on this board. As much as that will pain the negative folks around here.

Draft the next Durant.... then we might actually be good again.

Just because the guy dry walling my basement may know more about drywall then me, I can still tell when he is doing a crappy job.

Being hung up on "superstars" is bunk, there are plenty of teams who make the playoffs without them.
Milwaukee has added Ellis, Denver has added Iggy, Minnesota added Kirilenko.
All guys going to "smaller" market teams who are all better then anyone on our wing rotation.

Heck at this point with the money we are throwing at DeRozan, Fields, and Kleiza we may as well have traded expirings and capspace to get Joe Johnson.

16 teams make the playoffs, more teams make the playoffs then teams that don't.
No one is asking for a Championship, but how about a winning season?