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Re: Dwayne Casey's Horrible Coaching 

Post#261 » by Truthrising » Sun Mar 3, 2013 5:01 am

dagger wrote:Casey took the team that won 23 games last year in a 66 game season and was given Lowry and Gay along the way. I have no idea now what our offence is supposed to be. Casey has utterly failed to integrate the talent given him. It's either ISO Rudy or ISO Demar. The pick and roll has largely vanished since Jose left. He has emasculated Lowry, tried to make him something he really isn't: Jose.

Here's a stat for you. Lowry is 29th in the league in three pt shooting percentage, but 69th in 3 pt shots taken. Alan Anderson has taken more 3 pt shots and Lucas takes more per game. Lowry is averaging a respectable 40.9% behind the arc. Wouldn't you give him the green light more often, with the proviso he has a decent look and maybe a rebounder in position?

Ohh now you're complaining that they don't do enough PnR, I remember you saying it wasn't a big deal that they don't run the PnR with the bigs.. smh
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Re: Dwayne Casey's Horrible Coaching 

Post#262 » by dagger » Sun Mar 3, 2013 5:05 am

truthrising wrote:
dagger wrote:Casey took the team that won 23 games last year in a 66 game season and was given Lowry and Gay along the way. I have no idea now what our offence is supposed to be. Casey has utterly failed to integrate the talent given him. It's either ISO Rudy or ISO Demar. The pick and roll has largely vanished since Jose left. He has emasculated Lowry, tried to make him something he really isn't: Jose.

Here's a stat for you. Lowry is 29th in the league in three pt shooting percentage, but 69th in 3 pt shots taken. Alan Anderson has taken more 3 pt shots and Lucas takes more per game. Lowry is averaging a respectable 40.9% behind the arc. Wouldn't you give him the green light more often, with the proviso he has a decent look and maybe a rebounder in position?

Ohh now you're complaining that they don't do enough PnR, I remember you saying it wasn't a big deal that they don't run the PnR with the bigs.. smh


Sorry, please find where I said that because I did not say it. As a matter of fact, I've said EXACTLY the opposite. They have stopped running pick and roll.

Get your facts right.
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Re: Dwayne Casey's Horrible Coaching 

Post#263 » by dballislife » Sun Mar 3, 2013 5:05 am

why dont players play good and put up good numbers playing for casey? its been two years
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Re: Dwayne Casey's Horrible Coaching 

Post#264 » by J-Roc » Sun Mar 3, 2013 5:15 am

dagger wrote:Casey took the team that won 23 games last year in a 66 game season and was given Lowry and Gay along the way. I have no idea now what our offence is supposed to be. Casey has utterly failed to integrate the talent given him. It's either ISO Rudy or ISO Demar. The pick and roll has largely vanished since Jose left. He has emasculated Lowry, tried to make him something he really isn't: Jose. There is no more big to big passing, not much anyways. As I have said many times, Casey has an overly simplistic offensive system which imposes no discipline and leaves too much decision making to the ball handler, which leads to rampant predictability and over-dribbling.

Here's a stat for you. Lowry is 29th in the league in three pt shooting percentage, but 69th in 3 pt shots taken. Alan Anderson has taken more 3 pt shots and Lucas takes more per game. Lowry is averaging a respectable 40.9% behind the arc, Anderson is around 34%. Wouldn't you give Lowry the green light/encouragement more often, with the proviso he has a decent look and maybe a rebounder in position? Rudy Gay has taken only five fewer three points this season that Lowry and is shooting 29%. What is the point of having advanced analytics if you don't learn from the simplest box score stats?

At some point, the coach has to have a plan, and he has to have the balls to tell certain guys don't take the 3pt shot unless you're up against the clock or you have a ridiculously open look.

We're dying on the cross of some simple stats.


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Re: Dwayne Casey's Horrible Coaching 

Post#265 » by Team Redemption » Sun Mar 3, 2013 5:16 am

I was fairly optimistic before the start of the season and boy was I wrong. I can't seem to understand his rotations. Not sure if there's pressure from higher management or not, I don't know. I don't get how the assistants don't notice the flaws like everyone else does. Even Jack was speaking out tonight. It seems like we're tanking and "trying" to showcase Bargnani.

But still, how can JV play ONLY 11 minutes tonight. That's awful and can even dishearten a guy, especially a rook (considering his hustle and the level of play as of late).
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Re: Dwayne Casey's Horrible Coaching 

Post#266 » by Truthrising » Sun Mar 3, 2013 5:31 am

dagger wrote:
truthrising wrote:
dagger wrote:Casey took the team that won 23 games last year in a 66 game season and was given Lowry and Gay along the way. I have no idea now what our offence is supposed to be. Casey has utterly failed to integrate the talent given him. It's either ISO Rudy or ISO Demar. The pick and roll has largely vanished since Jose left. He has emasculated Lowry, tried to make him something he really isn't: Jose.

Here's a stat for you. Lowry is 29th in the league in three pt shooting percentage, but 69th in 3 pt shots taken. Alan Anderson has taken more 3 pt shots and Lucas takes more per game. Lowry is averaging a respectable 40.9% behind the arc. Wouldn't you give him the green light more often, with the proviso he has a decent look and maybe a rebounder in position?

Ohh now you're complaining that they don't do enough PnR, I remember you saying it wasn't a big deal that they don't run the PnR with the bigs.. smh


Sorry, please find where I said that because I did not say it. As a matter of fact, I've said EXACTLY the opposite. They have stopped running pick and roll.

Get your facts right.

Can't go back to my history to retrieve it but I'll take your word for it, it's probably Reignman who said it.
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Re: Dwayne Casey's Horrible Coaching 

Post#267 » by BryceMaxJames » Sun Mar 3, 2013 6:40 am

Dagger is right, there are barely any pick n roll's, screens are set and the pass is not made. We simply look lost out there and its embarrassing. I can't Believe Frank V said that we are a well coached team. This team is more talented that last years. We lost this game because of bad coaching. I refuse to believe Casey is that stupid in his rotations and offensive schemes, this coaching has to be about the lottery pick. Why start Bargs? Why start Fields?

Is it just me or did anyone else sense the frustration from Rudy's interview yesterday? He took mild jabs and the coaching and defence. He was visibly upset that there is no help on defence and people aren't being held accountable. He keeps saying that the team needs to focus and go harder in practise so it translates on the court.

I get the feeling if an upgrade is not done on the roster and coaching staff, he is as good as gone when his contract is up. If this is the case, we should be playing Val and Ross more to soften that blow.
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Post#268 » by Darknemo2000 » Sun Mar 3, 2013 6:54 am

truthrising wrote:Ohh now you're complaining that they don't do enough PnR, I remember you saying it wasn't a big deal that they don't run the PnR with the bigs.. smh


Actually I remember that dagger was complaining about p'n'r before too. I could be wrong but I really dont remember him being positive about lack of usage of our bigs.
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Re: Dwayne Casey's Horrible Coaching 

Post#269 » by Scraptor » Sun Mar 3, 2013 7:24 am

Further to what Dagger was saying, there are two players in the entire NBA this year who are averaging 10 or more shots per game and shooting under 38%.

One is Kevin Love, who was playing with a broken hand that hadn't completely healed.

The other is Alan Anderson.

I believe the only reason that Casey relies on Anderson so much is that since Casey does not know how to run an offense, he is mesmerized by the illusion that Anderson is creating buckets. Yes, Anderson has hit some clutch shots. But he has missed so many more.

There is something else that I don't completely understand. We are worst in the league at fouling. This directly relates to us being last in the league in fastbreak points. Is Casey an excellent defensive coach or has he had players who erase his mistakes, like Chandler in Dallas or James Johnson last year? Because we are 24th in the league in defensive efficiency. So it's not like our constant fouling is helping us be a better defensive team.
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Post#270 » by Phenomenologist » Sun Mar 3, 2013 7:55 am

I've been patient with Casey. I've tried to overlook his highly questionable rotations, his failure to consistently demand accountability and properly define roles, his over-reliance on vets, the randomness and simplicity of his offence, etc. But, with our defensive "gains" of last season seeming to have largely evaporated this season, he needs to start being held accountable.

The team currently assembled has ill-fitting pieces and is not exactly oozing with talent...but that doesn't excuse egregious mistakes on his part.
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Post#271 » by StartingBench » Sun Mar 3, 2013 8:14 am

I hope they fire him soon. He's just a terrible coach. He was brought in to be a defensive coach and although our D is better, it's still terrible overall. Our offense has also taken a nose dive. He can't even create a simple inbound play. I've played in B level rec leagues where teams of random people thrown together have had better ball movement then the Raptors. It wouldn't be so bad if he was that elite defensive coach we pictured last year, but he just isn't that guy.
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Post#272 » by Jtoneller1 » Sun Mar 3, 2013 12:48 pm

If we want to be a running team, (which we should be with our lineup) why don't we try to force more turnovers? Why don't we aggressively trap/press teams? We are an athletic team who excels when we get in transition and throw down dunks.The only time we ever press/trap is when the game is over...it doesn't make any sense.

Come to think of it, I rarely see this in the NBA period. Is it because NBA coaching is too smart and can pick apart these types of sets easily?
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Post#273 » by kirkwood » Sun Mar 3, 2013 1:58 pm

Dwayne has served his one purpoe as a head coach, he has taught these young guys the toughness and defensive menatlity it takes to win in this league. Now everything else about Dwayne Casey is poor, offensive mindset lacking, rotations and adjustments horrible. Two years with Dwayne Casey was needed for driving home the message of toughness and defensive menatlity. Now with that instilled into our young talent it is defenitely time to move on and look for a complete package coach who values both sides of the ball and will utilize/develop the talent properly.

Casey is a life long assistant coach, a defensive specialist. He is not head coach material.
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Post#274 » by StMikes31 » Sun Mar 3, 2013 2:39 pm

^thank you
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Post#275 » by bape_lovers » Sun Mar 3, 2013 5:57 pm

I seen that many times..even when Jose was here..Val was ignored...wonder what Casey do when practice PnR with Val? Is there even practice

lobosloboslobos wrote:You guys are way over my head but i'll keep asking my naive/dumb questions because that's how I learn.

OK, I get that the defense can pack the paint because we have weak outside shooters, that we don't draw defenders out of position because our guys don't generally know how to make high IQ cuts and they are not very good passers, and that KL is not an especially good p/n/r passer and that is all part of why JV gets few passes when he rolls...

BUT

being the naive guy I am I can't help but notice him game after game appearing (to me anyway) to be very open as he rolls from the top of the key waving his hands frantically for the ball with maybe one defender between him and the rim, and again and again our guys refuse to pass to him.

Am I missing something here? Is he not actually open? That is his sweet spot. Remember he shot 70% over the entire season last year (!) rolling and finishing relentlessly. What is the logic in the coach not insisting that Rudy and Demar and KL and AA all feed him the ball when he rolls? Why is this not a staple of our offense?
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Post#276 » by Morse Code » Tue Mar 5, 2013 8:36 am

There are so many threads right now about many of the smaller flaws with this team, and reasons why we're not winning games. I'm reading threads about Rudy and Demar's inefficiency, Lack of offense ran for Bargs when his only skill is considering scoring in spurts, Lowry's lack of offense, Lack of interior scoring from our bigs, etc. I can't help but think that many of these problems could be somewhat solved by hiring the right coach. Casey has got to be held accountable for everything he's done with the team.

I know that we need some 3pt shooting, and I don't think another solid big would can rebound, hit a mid range jumper, and post up, would hurt us. BC and Casey have been the problems though. Our roster has it's flaws but a coach just stands out as the main flaw to me and it's hard to properly assess the roster when many of it's assets aren't being managed to their benefit.
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Post#277 » by jonas_franchise » Tue Mar 5, 2013 2:50 pm

It's the damn small ball. It seems like he's running small ball half the time. As if we have the talent to do it.
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Post#278 » by ballocks » Tue Mar 5, 2013 5:18 pm

I've been very confused lately. I don't know what the problem is, necessarily, but I'd love to hear someone explain it for me. What we're seeing with this team is not just losing, or a losing culture or whatever you want to call it- although that's certainly part of it. It seems like we're not putting ourselves in position to succeed and as far as I'm concerned, at the pro level, that has to fall largely on the coach. I don't know what points are being emphasized in the huddle, what they're trying to teach and how they're trying to convey the message, but the execution is very poor imo. It seems like my 'confusion' as an observer is only a reflection of theirs as a team.

Last night in Oakland was dreadful. The Warriors dropped 125, a lot of the time it seems without breaking a sweat, but my question is why. Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, even Jarrett Jack all pushing it down 'our' throats- and we only created 14 turnovers? It's one thing to not stop the ball consistently against a team that breaks midcourt within 3-4 seconds avg, many times without even utilizing the dribble, but even in the halfcourt the Raptors lose their man as a rule, and they're so help-conscious that we see two or oftentimes three guys run out at the ball wildly as if they don't know who's supposed to do what. I wouldn't say the communication is nil because they are indeed talking, but they're not organized. They're almost trying too hard- as if they're not prepared; as if they have the will but not the way. 60 games into the season, man, I'm starting to question how they're picking up the lesson. On the one hand, I commend the coaching staff for keeping the team in gear because they certainly haven't thrown in the towel (historically the toughest job for any lottery team... on the road here during a slump, no less); on the other, they look as lost as I've ever seen them, almost beyond explanation.

I'm going to say something that may offend some people, but I want to make it clear that I'm not hating on the guy: Jonas has been playing with his hands a lot lately. A lot. Something's gotta give and in some ways I don't blame DC for sticking him to the bench during crunch time- he's not been effective lately and his lack of composure is increasingly evident. At the same time, this is not the notorious "rookie wall" imo, we're 60 games in, it stands to reason that opponents are not designing and exploiting game plans for his 20 mpg, his problem at this point should not be too much fuel in the tank, too much urgency- but for some reason it is. He will unquestionably become a solid contributor (and sooner rather than later) but with each added game of experience he should be getting more useful imo- not less. I can only drop this plateau at the feet of the coaching staff because it simply feels like JV's been fumbled to date. At least it does to me.

I can't blame the coaches for absolutely everything, of course- although today part of me wants to ;) - but there's one more thing that's been troubling me lately and was on full display last night. I wouldn't say we had problems putting points on the board, obviously we scored nearly 120 ourselves, but I do think some of our offensive execution raises questions about the leadership of the team. Just like Derozan was virtually unstoppable versus Cleveland last week (for his standards, anyway), Andrea Bargnani was dominating last night. Some of you might complain about how he shot 3/11 from 2-pt in; I'd rather focus on the fact that he dropped 24 on his first 12 FGAs: he was feeling it, especially in the 3rd, he was in rhythm and uber-efficient, and Jax didn't have an answer.

And in both cases, instead of feeding the fire, we see Gay (and even Lowry at times) remaining oblivious, seemingly operating in a parallel universe and swallowing the ball. Derozan is an awesome teammate, and he chose to play through it last week although I reckon he was not pleased. Bargnani, though- he wanted the ball. He was awfully demonstrative last night for the player we know- and what do we do? We run dysfunctional isos without even calling a play, while Andrea is yelling and waving his hands (remember, we're talking about ANDREA BARGNANI) on the weak side. We come up empty in most every case, and Bargnani and Demar- both flabbergasted and frustrated- jaunt back to the bench at the next timeout like dispirited soldiers, now draped in cold towels. Different days, same result. What is that about? It exemplifies one of two things imo: either Gay is showing a me-first attitude by refusing to relinquish his perceived role for even a short time while his peers are getting the job done, or it's just ignorant basketball. One or the other. I personally don't see Rudy Gay as an attention-starved pro, so it falls to the latter by default- in which case you'd think the coaching staff would show some initiative to not waste an opportunity and to get the ball to Demar and Andrea until they run cold themselves, as opposed to shutting them out (effectively shutting them down) like they did.

Either way, I haven't been impressed with the past few games. I don't think it falls to the rotations, I think the problems run somewhat deeper than that, but there appear to be some serious questions regarding this team's preparation, their regression defensively which cannot be easily ignored, not to mention the (albeit early) signs of a potential locker room power struggle. I really don't even know if they're moving in the right direction anymore.

I hope they shut me up tonight, though. :rock:

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Re: Dwayne Casey's Horrible Coaching 

Post#279 » by SaveTheHens » Tue Mar 5, 2013 5:44 pm

Just came here to vent a bit more. But Casey has to go, or be moved as an assistant.
Here's what he's done wrong so far:

- Random small-ball lineups which lose us the lead
- Bad timing of calling timeouts when other team is making a run
- Ruined the efficiency of our top offensive players. They're all shooting above career averages for Ft % so it's not like its a confidence issue, he's just putting them in tough offensive situations.
- Kind of related to the previous point, but trying to merge players into his system rather than solving the puzzle of putting players in a position of their strengths. An obvious example is Bargnani. Now, hate him or love him he's not as bad as he's been this year. But Casey puts him on the floor, to give us his horrendous defence, yet doesn't play to his strengths and put him in efficeint scoring positions.
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Post#280 » by vini_vidi_vici » Tue Mar 5, 2013 6:02 pm

George Karl, Nate MacMillan, Paul Westphal, Pete Newell, Eddie Sutton, Clem Haskins, Joe B Hall, Rick Carlisle. All of whom Casey has worked with, and never eaten in your kitchen. The guy went to europe in 08 to scout games, learn from coaching strategies for crying out loud. Calling him dumb, and the other insults.

Some of these responses are beyond silly. Ive said alot in this thread, but as youll notice its proliferated with more of the same narratives. Thanks for degenerating it to another rant thread.

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