Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread

[Marvin Martian]

Drafting Wiggins and waiting for a championship to fall into your hands is not a proper rebuild IMO and doesn't guarantee anything. There are countless star players that do not end their career with the same team that drafted them because small market FOs couldn't surround them with any good talent.

I think a POR type model is best for the this team; Rebuild FO and coaching, trim the fat from the roster and surround the decent players with D leaguers. That means goodbye to Derozan, Fields, Bargs, Anderson, Ross, Lucas and Telfair.

Why wrap so much money into net negative players that will only show up once every 3 games?

This way we can still tank in the very strong 2014 draft without mandating anyone to be a player that they cannot be.

[sycammer]

this has beena very disappointing season to state the obvious. the reality here is that this team is should have been much better than it has demonstrated till now, the ways things are going on right now, i expect 2 things, either they get rid of casey or they get rid of bryan as i dont think this current situation can continue any further, there clearly is a conflict of interest.

the best thing happening for us is that kobe getting injured and that will ensure that the lakers will miss the playoffs as well the push for bargs+fields fo gasol in the offseason.

to me i just dont know why lakers didnt go for it, it would have worked pretty well for them as for us.

bargs is gone, he has played his last game, he beter saving that money of his, wit the way he is played, he doesnt even deserve a mid level expect. the overall stats of 12 pt, 4 rbs, 1 assist is good for a 6th/7th man in rotation, for a forward/guard, but when u think its a 7 footer giving out that much, its

we lost so many games this season becz he didnt come to play, even in the last then games, he came ready for that warriors game, but other he didnt provide anything.

[sycammer]

looking at our roster, it seems to me that none of them are worth resigning, maybe alan Anderson as he is a good 3 pt shooter, but he needs to be utilised properly, he is getting way too many shots and selection isnt good also.

terrence ross well is movable for thr right player/package, if we gave up our 8th (terrenc ross) for lowry, it would have been fine, but it instead we r giivng a lotto pick to an already championship contending team like oklahoma, it will come back to bite us.

dont be surprised or shocked to see whoever they draft looking very good as he will be playing alongside westbrook and durant.

the rudy gay trade was right for this franchise, we got good player, but we have front court prolem that we have to address i nthe offseason, via trade using bargs + fields + ross as trade baits.

i though when this started playing well with rudy, they can make the playoffs next yr. lets put this way if we r 23 win team last seson, we r 35 win team this yr (we should be able to get more 10 wins) and next we will competing for playoff spot (6-8), assuming that we make the right moves and we have to wait and see what transpires this off season.

[Big Shot]

Go get Waiters.

If that means DD and Ross going out, so be it.

[dagger]

instead we r giivng a lotto pick to an already championship contending team like oklahoma, it will come back to bite us.

That pick is currently 11th in a bad draft. Seriously, as disappointed as I am in Lowry, I'd still do that trade today.

[DatBoiCapspace]

instead we r giivng a lotto pick to an already championship contending team like oklahoma, it will come back to bite us.

That pick is currently 11th in a bad draft. Seriously, as disappointed as I am in Lowry, I'd still do that trade today.

Lowry is only under contract for one more year. Maybe now with Rudy Gay on board he will want to resign if we are a playoff team next year, but given the pick protection and our 4-19 start, that was a very high-risk/low-reward type move that was clearly made out of desperation by BC after missing out on Nash.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

You never know - a couple years from now, this draft may actually end up producing good players, All-Stars. That pick we give OKC may end up being a quality piece, and if OKC drafts a Len, Saric, Gobert, or Giannis A., a guy they can stash overseas, then I bet it will (eventually) come back to bite us, like sycammer said.

Plus, we need all the assets we can get right now. A draft pick is an asset, and unless we win a top 3 pick, we'll be losing an asset.

The good thing is, Lowry should still have considerable value, so he's an asset to us so long as we can secure his services, or we can flip him in the summer.

[sycammer]

looking at this roster right now - besides jonas, rudy, derozan and lowry & amir. these players will be coming back. we have to fill the starting PF position, we dont even a have complete starting five as of today.

C: Jonas V / (...) / (Gray)
PF: (....) / Amir J/ (...)
SF: Rudy / (Anderson) / (...)
SG: Derozan / (...) / (...)
PG: Lowry / (...) / (Telfair)

Trade Assets: Bargnani, Ross, Fields.

Resign Anderson, Telfair & Gray, as we need serviceable backups.

main priority is to get starting PF, amir isn't the answer for us, he is very good backup C/PF.
paul millsap or carl landry (or whoever) will fit in. Alo we have to get good backup PG for lowry.

[TheFreshPrince]

What are the changes to sign-and-trades under the new CBA?

[Rapsfan07]

What are the changes to sign-and-trades under the new CBA?

Teams over the cap are not allowed to conduct S&Ts and I think the 120% + 100k rule is increased slightly for teams under the cap as well IIRC.

[elmer_yuck]

looking at this roster right now - besides jonas, rudy, derozan and lowry & amir. these players will be coming back. we have to fill the starting PF position, we dont even a have complete starting five as of today.

C: Jonas V / (...) / (Gray)
PF: (....) / Amir J/ (...)
SF: Rudy / (Anderson) / (...)
SG: Derozan / (...) / (...)
PG: Lowry / (...) / (Telfair)

Trade Assets: Bargnani, Ross, Fields.

Resign Anderson, Telfair & Gray, as we need serviceable backups.

main priority is to get starting PF, amir isn't the answer for us, he is very good backup C/PF.
paul millsap or carl landry (or whoever) will fit in. Alo we have to get good backup PG for lowry.

Amir is fine as a starting PF.
I don't get why people classify him as a guy off the bench.
He's a really good player.

[Sterling_Archer]

Amir is fine as either starting or off the bench. Ideally if he starts we find a guy who can do what he does and play both PF/C or just find a starting PF.

[Rapsobsessed7]

What are the changes to sign-and-trades under the new CBA?

Teams over the cap are not allowed to conduct S&Ts and I think the 120% + 100k rule is increased slightly for teams under the cap as well IIRC.

Wrong. I believe it's teams over the luxury tax who cannot conduct S&Ts. Teams over the cap can.

[sycammer]

amir has done very good job for the raps this yr. but he he muhc more suited for backup C/PF.

lets put it this way, he can be like keon clark, backuping up oakley or antonio davis. imagine the depth that this team would have and also he will much more of impact on the game. he can come in for jonas or millsap.....

he will be a double double man every night, not a luxury that many teams have.

[sweetcity]

Raps Trade - Bargnani + DeRozan + Fields + Ross

Raps Receive - Eric Gordon + Teletovic + Marshon Brooks + Jason Smith

Nets Trade - Humpheries + Teletovic + Brooks + Future 1st

Nets Receive - Bargnani + Fields + Robin Lopez

Hornets Trade - Gordon + Lopez + Smith

Hornets Receive - DeRozan + Ross + Humpheries + Nets 1st

Raps

Lowry - Lucas
Gordon - Brooks (6th Man)
Gay - Anderson
Amir - Teletovic
JV - Smith

[hillbilly hare]

instead we r giivng a lotto pick to an already championship contending team like oklahoma, it will come back to bite us.

That pick is currently 11th in a bad draft. Seriously, as disappointed as I am in Lowry, I'd still do that trade today.

Like everything Colangelo did and tried to do last off-season, the Lowry trade is, as you say, fine, but only as one of the pieces in a major overhaul. Last off-season was the time to pounce, but our GM stumbled instead. Getting only Lowry, while signing Fields, drafting Ross, not trading Andrea and not signing a starting C, make the Lowry trade underwhelming vs. what we might've done. PG wasn't even our worst position. Setting aside for a second that Colangelo stated he would've traded for Lowry even if he'd signed Nash. The guy is just brutal.

[Kinger95]

This team is a mess first of all. We have a sg who can't shoot, a 20 million dollar guy playing like a dleaguer and a min contract player that thinks he's Kobe. A coach who doesn't play our best center cuz he's a rookie and our starting pg can't even get 30 min of playing time. First things first fire the coach, finish out the season watch another team use our pick and then it starts. The ONLY way to build a team in this market is through the draft. We need to be the worst team in the nba next season, it's that simple. If we get wiggins that's great.... There is still Parker ,Randle, Vonleh and Harrison. We will get a good player no matter how u spin it. Now to be bad.... I love Amir Johnson ,he's the heart and soul of this team but with him we can't be a bottom 3 team so he's goes for the best 1st we can get or a rook with upside but no win now value(think Kendall Marshall/Terrence jones/pj3). Next is Demar, he has to go now while his value is somewhat high. he will never be a good shooter from range or enough to keep good defences (Boston/Chicago/Indy) honest and that's why we struggle against top teams. Then there's rudy, in an ideal world I would trade him for Turk and harless and waive Turk before he even gets to Toronto. That would give us an asset for the future while keeping us bad enough to get a top 3 pick. Jonas and Ross get mins next year and it may be a long season but the 10 years to follow would be a breath of fresh air.

[IN_Vince]

Toronto will still only have the mle with regards to cap space to offer free agents this summer regardless of if you salary dump bargnani, and amnesty kleiza. Unless you're getting a for sure great power forward for cheap there is no need to go into the luxury tax with a Millsap, or Josh Smith for a core that has not proven anything or grown yet. Our core is Kyle Lowry DeMar DeRozan, Rudy Gay, Amir Johnson, Jonas Valanciunas, Terrence Ross, and unfortunately the contract of Landry Fields. This team next year should be aiming to finish from the 6th-4th seed which will probably mean you would have to get 47+ wins. The only way this is going to happen is if we get progression from Amir Johnson. He is the key player next year, because if he can become that 15, and 10 guy we want to desperately sign at the power forward spot, then not only do we save money but we do it in house and without having any kind of chemistry problems. This team will have to get serious growth from JV and Ross in order to take us to that contender level, oh yeah and a new coach. Raptors should aim to play exactly like Denver next season, that system alone would get other teams in the East on their heels. Because when you have to adapt to another teams style of play then you automatically handicap yourself, so that would be a nice advantage for Raptors to have. Alvin Gentry is a must hire in order to get this kind of system. Lastly, with regards to the free agency, we should look to sign a shooter, and a back up power forward like a Landry or Elton Brand.

[Dr Positivity]

Amnestying Bargs isn't about opening flexibility this summer, it's about clearing the 12 million in 2014-2015 at the same time, when the Raps will be in luxury tax problems if Lowry is extended or flipped for Jennings on a big deal

If the alternative was not using the amnesty at all this summer, then the "Amnestying Bargs doesn't do anything for us" argument would be valid. Truthfully the best move may be holding onto the amnesty until next summer, trying to trade Bargs for cap relief and then amnestying him then if we can't

But that won't happen for a few reasons. One, Bargs is done here for PR reasons, period. Secondly, if Bargs isn't amnestied Kleiza basically has to be amnestied for lux tax reasons. Almost assured one of them gets amnestied this summer.

It's quite simple really. You amnesty Kleiza and only 4.6 million for one season is cleared. Amnesty Bargs and not only do you clear more this year (11 mil), but more importantly, it dumps 12 million off next season. If the team was smart they wouldn't even consider amnestying Kleiza instead of Bargs. They would be choosing between amnestying Bargs now, or holding onto him next year and trying to trade him, then if they can't amnestying him the year after

But we're not that smart...

[OAKLEY_2]

It's quite simple really. You amnesty Kleiza and only 4.6 million for one season is cleared. Amnesty Bargs and not only do you clear more this year (11 mil), but more importantly, it dumps 12 million off next season. If the team was smart they wouldn't even consider amnestying Kleiza instead of Bargs. They would be choosing between amnestying Bargs now, or holding onto him next year and trying to trade him, then if they can't amnestying him the year after

But we're not that smart...

I think if we had new management they would do it for a whole lot of reasons. BC on the other thinks if Bargs is a "bust" and cut outright then by association he is a bust because rest assured he has sold Bargs hard to his keepers. The reason I wouldn't amnesty Kleiza is because he is an expiring at next year's deadline and there is a chance he could recover from injury and be better than all of Bargs, Gray, AA, JLIII, Pietrus, or Acy.