Bruno Caboclo discussion thread

[CoachJReturns]

Pretty solid opinion piece on Bruno from Jonathan Tjarks who writes for the wire tap on this site and probably posts around here.

http://patternofbasketball.blogspot.ca/ ... boclo.html

Nothing new, but he really hypes his dribbling abilities, when we all know this is a weakness that he needs to improve.

Not really hyping up his ball handling. Just says he can handle the ball. From what I've seen, he isn't someone who will break a guy down with a crossover, but he can handle the ball with both hands, while moving quickly. That's really all that's needed. Again, not dissimilar from Kirilenko. He could drive with either hand, but you wouldn't expect him to play with his defender first. Just a quick fake and hard drive with either hand.

[martypython]

Pretty solid opinion piece on Bruno from Jonathan Tjarks who writes for the wire tap on this site and probably posts around here.

http://patternofbasketball.blogspot.ca/ ... boclo.html

Nothing new, but he really hypes his dribbling abilities, when we all know this is a weakness that he needs to improve.

I disagree. His biggest weakness is defensive awareness and understanding nuances. You can see it in the Mavs game. It was a combination of bad rotation, not knowing your role, and helping one pass away.

The good news is, from all reports, Bruno is a smart kid and very coachable. Dwane Casey's work with Terrence Ross was reported by an excellent writer (if you can find it, I would greatly appreciate it), so there is no question that Bruno can work on that.

The biggest obstacle is just nuances, which every player that comes to the NBA first experience.

[youngtea]

Pretty solid opinion piece on Bruno from Jonathan Tjarks who writes for the wire tap on this site and probably posts around here.

http://patternofbasketball.blogspot.ca/ ... boclo.html

Nothing new, but he really hypes his dribbling abilities, when we all know this is a weakness that he needs to improve.

I disagree. His biggest weakness is defensive awareness and understanding nuances. You can see it in the Mavs game. It was a combination of bad rotation, not knowing your role, and helping one pass away.

The good news is, from all reports, Bruno is a smart kid and very coachable. Dwane Casey's work with Terrence Ross was reported by an excellent writer (if you can find it, I would greatly appreciate it), so there is no question that Bruno can work on that.

The biggest obstacle is just nuances, which every player that comes to the NBA first experience.

I never stated it was his biggest obstacle. I said it was a weakness, which it is.

[youngtea]

Pretty solid opinion piece on Bruno from Jonathan Tjarks who writes for the wire tap on this site and probably posts around here.

http://patternofbasketball.blogspot.ca/ ... boclo.html

Nothing new, but he really hypes his dribbling abilities, when we all know this is a weakness that he needs to improve.

Not really hyping up his ball handling. Just says he can handle the ball. From what I've seen, he isn't someone who will break a guy down with a crossover, but he can handle the ball with both hands, while moving quickly. That's really all that's needed. Again, not dissimilar from Kirilenko. He could drive with either hand, but you wouldn't expect him to play with his defender first. Just a quick fake and hard drive with either hand.

His offense is still very much a work in progress and you can see why Fran Fraschilla famously said he was "two years away from being two years away" on draft night. Nevertheless, you can also see the ball-handling and shooting ability for a guy his size and I even saw him drain a step-back 3 at one point.

My point was simple. He calls his two major strengths which are shooting and dribbling. Neither of them are really strengths, when other reports have indicated that his shot needs to be altered so he shoots higher and that his dribble is not good and needs to be improved. I also understand your point, but I think he has lots of stuff that needs to be developed to play professionally.

[Undefeated]

I disagree. His biggest weakness is defensive awareness and understanding nuances. You can see it in the Mavs game. It was a combination of bad rotation, not knowing your role, and helping one pass away.

I didn't see him help one pass away at all or else he would get beat on the catch when he recovers. His defensive awareness is fine knowing where to be based on the location of the ball. When he got called for the 3 second violation in the key, that was the correct position to be in with a foot on the imaginary help side line when the ball was on the weak side below the free-throw line extended. He just needed to weave in and out. At the same time, he demonstrated good awareness not giving up the backdoor when he helps that so many players do because they only focus on the ball. You constantly see that he has his head on a swivel. Where he struggles defensively is his individual defense. He doesn't anticipate and navigate screens all that well, and he has a tendency to move side-to-side too much 1-on-1 making him easier to get juke.

[barrist]

Still have no idea what to expect in Bruno's future. Anything from a poor man's Austin Daye (who killed it in SL if I recall correctly) to a Nic Batum v2.

I would say that his floor is Batum (slightly better defensively but perhaps slightly worse offensively) but his ceiling is Durant with even better defense. He already has legit NBA 3-pt range.

Speaking of legit 3-pt range, Dougy McBuckets is a stud for Chicago. Guy was already hitting shots 3 feet behind the NBA line!

lol okay then, i guess we've entered crazytown!

Perhaps his career floor is more like Andrei Kirilenko. Really, please stop mentioning Austin Daye who has no motor (who's ceiling is Charlie Villanueva, maybe the Spurs can get him there as they picked up his option for next year).

So you're guaranteeing at least one 16.5/8/3blk season from Bruno eh?

Austin Daye's motor is fine, and actually not bad for a 6'10" forward. I see no real difference in how he moves compared to Bruno.

[Chriscross]

Nothing new, but he really hypes his dribbling abilities, when we all know this is a weakness that he needs to improve.

Not really hyping up his ball handling. Just says he can handle the ball. From what I've seen, he isn't someone who will break a guy down with a crossover, but he can handle the ball with both hands, while moving quickly. That's really all that's needed. Again, not dissimilar from Kirilenko. He could drive with either hand, but you wouldn't expect him to play with his defender first. Just a quick fake and hard drive with either hand.

His offense is still very much a work in progress and you can see why Fran Fraschilla famously said he was "two years away from being two years away" on draft night. Nevertheless, you can also see the ball-handling and shooting ability for a guy his size and I even saw him drain a step-back 3 at one point.

My point was simple. He calls his two major strengths which are shooting and dribbling. Neither of them are really strengths, when other reports have indicated that his shot needs to be altered so he shoots higher and that his dribble is not good and needs to be improved. I also understand your point, but I think he has lots of stuff that needs to be developed to play professionally.

His dribbling is actually pretty decent for someone who has the size to be a PF. Its all relative. He is 6-9, not 6-5

[Dalek]

Perhaps his career floor is more like Andrei Kirilenko. Really, please stop mentioning Austin Daye who has no motor (who's ceiling is Charlie Villanueva, maybe the Spurs can get him there as they picked up his option for next year).

Kirilenko was a DPOY candidate for several years and an All NBA player. I think that is a bit unrealistic for Bruno as a career floor. But, those are your expectations, so shoot for the stars.

Austin Daye comparison was only made because he came in the league having two skills, shooting threes and some shotblocking. The Raptors are using Bruno in a similar role as an 18 year-old. The concept of the floor is a starting point, not as any final assessment as a player.

[CoachJReturns]

Nothing new, but he really hypes his dribbling abilities, when we all know this is a weakness that he needs to improve.

Not really hyping up his ball handling. Just says he can handle the ball. From what I've seen, he isn't someone who will break a guy down with a crossover, but he can handle the ball with both hands, while moving quickly. That's really all that's needed. Again, not dissimilar from Kirilenko. He could drive with either hand, but you wouldn't expect him to play with his defender first. Just a quick fake and hard drive with either hand.

His offense is still very much a work in progress and you can see why Fran Fraschilla famously said he was "two years away from being two years away" on draft night. Nevertheless, you can also see the ball-handling and shooting ability for a guy his size and I even saw him drain a step-back 3 at one point.

My point was simple. He calls his two major strengths which are shooting and dribbling. Neither of them are really strengths, when other reports have indicated that his shot needs to be altered so he shoots higher and that his dribble is not good and needs to be improved. I also understand your point, but I think he has lots of stuff that needs to be developed to play professionally.

At no point did he say "major strengths". He mentioned that he has a handle, but I think he was just pointing out that his ball-handling isn't awful. lol. I'm not saying it's a strength myself, only that his handles look average. He isn't Joey Graham bad, in other words.

[MEDIC]

I don't think his ball handling is all that bad for a 6'9" eighteen year old. In fact I think it's pretty damn good for his limited experience.

I think he looks smoother with the ball than Derozan and Ross in their rookie years.

I expect that he will become pretty good at handling the ball for a 6'9" guy (in a few years).

[Ackshun]

It would be unfair to even grade Bruno in anything this year . He is so young and his starting line with his little experience is a long ways before everyone else's starting line , just the fact that he is doing what he is doing is amazing but I will wait until next year to grade him . By then he should be on the same footing as the other prospects coming into summer league and by then he should be a focal point of the team too .

Um . What

Pretty straight forward . Don't judge him like everyone else here , he has too little experience and is too young . Wait til next year .

I was just poking fun that you suggested we have Close to zero expectations this year, but also suggested he should be the focul point next year.

Quite the leap. Unless you meant focul point of SL. in that case, I'm a douchebag. My bad

[Psubs]

Perhaps his career floor is more like Andrei Kirilenko. Really, please stop mentioning Austin Daye who has no motor (who's ceiling is Charlie Villanueva, maybe the Spurs can get him there as they picked up his option for next year).

Kirilenko was a DPOY candidate for several years and an All NBA player. I think that is a bit unrealistic for Bruno as a career floor. But, those are your expectations, so shoot for the stars.

Austin Daye comparison was only made because he came in the league having two skills, shooting threes and some shotblocking. The Raptors are using Bruno in a similar role as an 18 year-old. The concept of the floor is a starting point, not as any final assessment as a player.

If starting point, I would say Giannis Antetokuonmpo. Maybe not as advanced dribbling skills but with more advanced shooting.

When people talk about floor it's more of a career low they will achieve.

Basement floor would be Jamario Moon. That's if he never improved from where he is today. That is probably a more accurate skillset and comparison.

[m83588333]

I don't think his ball handling is all that bad for a 6'9" eighteen year old. In fact I think it's pretty damn good for his limited experience.

I think he looks smoother with the ball than Derozan and Ross in their rookie years.

I expect that he will become pretty good at handling the ball for a 6'9" guy (in a few years).

With his length he doesn't need to be a great ball handler to create shots. Look at Durant. He looks unguardable on the step back.

[Joker]

Kirilenko as a.....floor. Oh boy.

[MEDIC]

Austin Daye's motor is fine, and actually not bad for a 6'10" forward. I see no real difference in how he moves compared to Bruno.

I don't know. When I think high motor, I think of guys like Noah. Part of Daye's issue is basketball IQ, but I also find him to be a lazy player. He's a tall chucker. ......that's it.

[Steelo Green]

Kirilenko as a.....floor. Oh boy.

I think people forget how good he was. If he becomes prime Kirelenko, this is a steal. That player was magnificent.

[theSkinny]

I for one just want to sit back and see if this kid develops, be a helluva story if he did.. If he goes all Saer Sene.. Meh.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

I'm optimistic he's gonna be a good player, love his length shooting and ability to play and guard on the perimeter. I know there's a lot coming at him, but I'd like to see him play with more force. Not sure if it's conditioning thing, or if he's just been able to get by on his length. But overall I'd like him to keep doing what he's doing, but just do it harder. Go up harder, cut harder, challenge at the rim with more force. contest more aggressively.

I'm already thinking we got a gm bright and ballsy enough to make a pic like that, and I'm glad.

[Joker]

When Kirilenko was healthy and in his prime, he was something else. Guarding 2's, 3's, 4's. Lebron type passing/court awareness at the forward position. Weakside blocks. Rebounding and initiating fast breaks. Loved his game.

[Psubs]

Kirilenko as a.....floor. Oh boy.

Ya, I think I over compensated the jump away from Austin Freakin' Daye!

I think Austin Daye's ceiling is Jamario Moon.