JN wrote:Pooh_Jeter wrote:This idea that management had locked into Achiuwa and are playing 4d chess is laughable.
KOC on the Bill Simmons Podcast said that from what his sources told him Precious, Duncan and matching salary was the deal being discussed at the deadline. We already know what the 76ers package looked like.
The Raptors had the power at the deadline and they chose not to utilize it, instead we are in a situation where Miami flexed their power and you are left with a deal that isn't as good as the ones presented at the deadline. It's simply poor asset management.
We don't know what the Sixers offered.
You choose to believe what was asked for and what was offered to fit your biased agenda.
You totally ignore the reports that Morey chicken pooped us with offers of Maxey + seconds, and instead choose to believe snippets that Morey likely fed to the media (i.e we were asking for 4 young pieces or picks... LMAO)
Let's also remember you have claimed that Morey is a great GM compared to Masai. A GM that had a great shot to win it all in 2021, that failed to do so because he couldn't complete a fair value trade and instead settled on George freakin Hill.
At the end of the day I blame both Morey and Masai for not getting a deal done. There was an advantageous deal for both sides to agree to, and as seasoned professionals they should have been able to find a fair value deal that worked for both sides. But I blame that turd Morey more based on his pedigree.
Further to this, we know with 100% certainty that the reported ask of Maxey, Thybulle and 2 picks is either a lie, or at minimum missing some key details.
To expand...
Kyle was making $30 mil last year, and both teams were well over the cap. which means the 76ers would have to take a minimum of $24 million from Toronto, and both teams probably wanting the deal to be as even as possible to avoid tax issues. If anything, we were further from the tax and likely able to absorb salary if the deal was worth it.
So think a little... if Maxey and Thybulle were making about $5 mil conbined, where is the extra $19-25 million coming from? Danny Green, you say? That gets you to $19 mil total and still short, and that player and his $14 mil were probably not wanted by Toronto. Also, it was reported that the offer was Maxey and Green, and that Masai asked for Thybulle or a pick to be included, which Morey rebuffed, so that was really just $16.5 million total. We do not know what other salaries Philly was trying to send to Toronto, but there must have been others in order for any trade to be possible, but the Raptors would logically have avoided any bad contracts and/or countered that sweetener would be needed to take those contracts (much like the Dragic to Dallas talks where they want to send us undesirable contracts).
So use some deductive reasoning here and imagine how this may have gone. Morey has to include contract filler that Toronto doesn't want, right? That filler will be responded to by saying "If we take so-and-so, we'll need a pick to make thing fair". Now, imagine Morey looks at his roster and sees Tobias Harris making over $30 mil by himself and makes a counter to Toronto of Harris and Maxey, which Toronto could easily reply to with "If you want to dump Harris on us, we're going to need Thybulle and at least two first round picks", which pretty much anyone would agree is a reasonable counter to such a bad contract.
Morey disagrees, chooses George freakin Hill instead, and puts out a story that our ask was way too high to explain why they couldn't get a deal done.
^^ That is all supposition on my part, not reports ^^
In short, anyone using any of the reports about what we asked for is using incorrect or partial information, which does not help their case in the mabber they think. The deals proposed were not possible under the cap, and we have no idea what cap-possible deals were actually discussed. It's all conjecture based on incomplete information.
The fact that a deal couldn't get done, and the fact that Morey has repeatedly proven himself to be a huff-n-puff negotiator who leaks things to the media to help his case (especially when contrasted with the Raps FO), should probably tell you that taking the Philly side of this story is not a wise thing. Not to say that there is a different factual story for us to base things on, but to repeat - no one knows the actual deals and to claim any of the reports as supporting evidence is a mistake, since the reports are demonstrably wrong.