[Windhorst] Pascal Siakam Potentially Could Be Available For The Right Trade

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The right trade would be an amazing package of picks and or prospects or a star and that’s not likely to happen.

[OakleyDokely]

Unless something big falls into their lap, they will likely come back with the same core, maybe with a bench addition or two and they see how things play out next season. If they take a step back or they underachieve then maybe they look to move GTJ or VV, like they did with Norm prior to his free agency.

I really don't expect anything major this offseason beyond the use of their MLE.

[Jcity08]

Everyone technically is available, just a matter of where that line is in terms of price. Untouchable just means that the theoretical price cannot be met from any buyer in the NBA. But if there ever becomes a clear cut deal that would improvecthe team, players will get moved, its easy to forget but at the end of the day the NBA is a business.

[billy_hoyle]

Siakam is dope. He literally helped us win a chip. I'm surprised he doesn't have more built in equity with this fanbase. It's like there's a large section of our fans that just want to jettison the guy for a minor upgrade.

Id rather let the guy keep building his legacy here.

If Scottie pops off (which I'm betting on) aren't we good?

Sure we could use some more penetration, shooting and rim protection, but Siakam provides auxiliary amounts of all those things.

We might be a couple years of internal growth away from true contention. Does Milwaukee really care that Jrue and Middleton are older than 30? I'm sure they'd prefer those guys were younger, but that's so they can extend this run with Giannis.

[Boogie!]

I've always wondered why with the direction the team is going with versatility and length that siakam is always the first one rumored to be traded. Siakam to me is a guy to keep. Obviously everyone is available for the right price, but I don't think siakam should be the first name on the chopping block. To me fvv and trent are more expendable.

[Spates]

Siakam is dope. He literally helped us win a chip. I'm surprised he doesn't have more built in equity with this fanbase. It's like there's a large section of our fans that just want to jettison the guy for a minor upgrade.

Id rather let the guy keep building his legacy here.

If Scottie pops off (which I'm betting on) aren't we good?

Sure we could use some more penetration, shooting and rim protection, but Siakam provides auxiliary amounts of all those things.

We might be a couple years of internal growth away from true contention. Does Milwaukee really care that Jrue and Middleton are older than 30? I'm sure they'd prefer those guys were younger, but that's so they can extend this run with Giannis.

I agree with you but I haven't always felt this way about Siakam. I really appreciated his inclination to get off-ball and to not dominate possessions. Previously I was concerned about his ability to coexist with another lead playmaker because despite his attempts to be one, he hadn't demonstrated the chops to be a lead creator. There just seemed to be a level of humility and awareness of his strengths and weaknesses. I don't know if anyone else felt this way watching Pascal this year but it felt like a step in the right direction.

He was basically Tyrese Maxey during the title run. An opportunistic scorer imposing his will with lightning quicks, benefiting from incredible lead scorers drawing attention. 2nd leading scorers despite not being responsible for the offense. His game has really evolved since.

Better penetration and shooting would go a long way in improving this team and I don't think Pascal has to or should go to achieve it.

[mulamutti]

Re: Age. Yes there is an age gap between Barnes and Siakam but Siakam still likely has 5 years of prime left. Thats an eternity in the NBA and gives the Raps ample time to evaluate, assess and adjust. He'll also maintain or even his increase his asset value going forward.

Re: Fit. The OP poster above is labeling Siakam a ballhog thats getting in the way of Barnes's development. This hasnt been the case at all so far....its just another ballboy hot take. Siakam's 25% usage rate doesnt even come close to ballhog territory...that usage rate might even be less than most 2nd options in the league today.

The Raps do lack facilitators so the fact that Siakam and Barnes both show promise in this area is actually a good thing. More shooting around these guys is what the team actually needs.

The line of reasoning that if you dont have top end MVP talent, then your best player has to go is just dimwitted analysis.

Yes exactly. Pascal is an all-nba player and so is literally top 15 in the nba. He is absolutely elite on both O and D. He may be flawed and may never lead us single handedly to a championship. However except for Giannis, there is no single player in the NBA that can do that. Lebron was the other one, and even he never one without multiple Al stars. Booker, Embiid, Jokic, Durant etc have never won by themselves. So what are we even talking about with trading Siakam. There is no single player that would replace Siakam that is gonna make a huge difference in the trajectory of this team. Embiid/Jokic would be the only examples and they have never made it past the second round.

I don't think he needs to go but I understand the discussion. I don't agree with your take at all that he is absolutely elite on both ends but at the same time Toronto would not be able to get a fair deal either in all likelihood. There isn't much out there that realistically gets sent our way and helps us win. Siakam is a good, not a great player but we aren't getting a great player back and we also are not getting a player back who has clear potential to be a great player.

I don’t wanna argue for arguments sake. But you said Pascal is elite on both offense and defense, and then said that he is good but not great. I think what you mean is he is a top 15-20 player in the NBA, but not a top five.

[triple_threat]

Everyone in the league is available for the right trade. This isn't news. LOL.[/quote

Not Giannis

I agree. If anyone isn't available it's probably Giannis. That's the rare exception. But even then, say Boston phoned up Milwaukee and offered them Brown, Tatum and three FRP's plus three pick swaps, do you think Milwaukee turns that down?

Will get back to you on this in about about a week

[Madhouse]

Yes exactly. Pascal is an all-nba player and so is literally top 15 in the nba. He is absolutely elite on both O and D. He may be flawed and may never lead us single handedly to a championship. However except for Giannis, there is no single player in the NBA that can do that. Lebron was the other one, and even he never one without multiple Al stars. Booker, Embiid, Jokic, Durant etc have never won by themselves. So what are we even talking about with trading Siakam. There is no single player that would replace Siakam that is gonna make a huge difference in the trajectory of this team. Embiid/Jokic would be the only examples and they have never made it past the second round.

I don't think he needs to go but I understand the discussion. I don't agree with your take at all that he is absolutely elite on both ends but at the same time Toronto would not be able to get a fair deal either in all likelihood. There isn't much out there that realistically gets sent our way and helps us win. Siakam is a good, not a great player but we aren't getting a great player back and we also are not getting a player back who has clear potential to be a great player.

I don’t wanna argue for arguments sake. But you said Pascal is elite on both offense and defense, and then said that he is good but not great. I think what you mean is he is a top 15-20 player in the NBA, but not a top five.

Yes, basically. He is a very good player overall.

[WaltFrazier]

Unless something big falls into their lap, they will likely come back with the same core, maybe with a bench addition or two and they see how things play out next season. If they take a step back or they underachieve then maybe they look to move GTJ or VV, like they did with Norm prior to his free agency.

I really don't expect anything major this offseason beyond the use of their MLE.

I think you're right, but it's a very depressing prospect to me. The only hope is that the "bench addition or two" turn out very impactful. If the FO adds mediocrity as they have in the past few years, then we won't take a big step forward. We need 2 home run additions to the core. Internal improvement will be nice, and expected, but not enough.

We lost in first round and could have won that series. It's not about development anymore it's about 2nd round or better.

[WaltFrazier]

I don't think he needs to go but I understand the discussion. I don't agree with your take at all that he is absolutely elite on both ends but at the same time Toronto would not be able to get a fair deal either in all likelihood. There isn't much out there that realistically gets sent our way and helps us win. Siakam is a good, not a great player but we aren't getting a great player back and we also are not getting a player back who has clear potential to be a great player.

I don’t wanna argue for arguments sake. But you said Pascal is elite on both offense and defense, and then said that he is good but not great. I think what you mean is he is a top 15-20 player in the NBA, but not a top five.

Yes, basically. He is a very good player overall.

Posters throw around terms like good, very good, great as if they are precise factual terms. They are vague, subjective words that don't mean the same to everyone.

Top 5 or 10 or 20 is still subjective, but better. If Pascal is named 3rd team all NBA as he should be, that's top 15. If he's not named because of Canada, but we all know he belongs there, same thing. We aren't trading a player of that level, who Masai loves and Nurse raves about his early to the gym work ethic.

[Madhouse]

I don’t wanna argue for arguments sake. But you said Pascal is elite on both offense and defense, and then said that he is good but not great. I think what you mean is he is a top 15-20 player in the NBA, but not a top five.

Yes, basically. He is a very good player overall.

Posters throw around terms like good, very good, great as if they are precise factual terms. They are vague, subjective words that don't mean the same to everyone.

Top 5 or 10 or 20 is still subjective, but better. If Pascal is named 3rd team all NBA as he should be, that's top 15. If he's not named because of Canada, but we all know he belongs there, same thing. We aren't trading a player of that level, who Masai loves and Nurse raves about his early to the gym work ethic.

Just because he is 3rd team All-NBA doesn't make him a legit top 15 player.

It just means the parameters with guards/forwards/Centers fit for him in that specific year and he had a good season.

[Los_29]

Unless something big falls into their lap, they will likely come back with the same core, maybe with a bench addition or two and they see how things play out next season. If they take a step back or they underachieve then maybe they look to move GTJ or VV, like they did with Norm prior to his free agency.

I really don't expect anything major this offseason beyond the use of their MLE.

I think you're right, but it's a very depressing prospect to me. The only hope is that the "bench addition or two" turn out very impactful. If the FO adds mediocrity as they have in the past few years, then we won't take a big step forward. We need 2 home run additions to the core. Internal improvement will be nice, and expected, but not enough.

We lost in first round and could have won that series. It's not about development anymore it's about 2nd round or better.

Internal development is how teams win in this league. You don't get anywhere this league by throwing money at guys like Richaun Holmes or Luke Kennard. You have to develop talent internally like we have done the past decade. If we didn't develop talent internally we'd have zero championships right now.

Remember, this league has a salary cap. Cap management is critically important in this league.

And we could have won that series but we can't control injuries. Injuries happen.

And what do you mean it's not about development? That is literally all that it's about. LOL. And of course it's not 2nd round or better. We weren't even expected to make the playoffs this year. We had 4 rotation players that are 24 and younger. C'mon Walt.

[Dude-niagara]

i agree for the most part. barnes is the future and i don’t see pascal giving up his touches easily. i wouldn’t mind seeing barnes pascal and gobert as our core. defensively that would be hard to get through. Not a fan of OG game

They'll likely see how the Barnes/Siakam/Anunoby fit works next year.

It struggled this past year and was not effective. But I'm pretty sure they want to see it for 1 more year and then possibly make changes.

Siakam having the ball in his hands isn't necessarily a huge issue, it's that there is no ball movement and everything Is just stagnant iso play.

But that goes beyond Siakam and is a coaching issue.

It's a talent issue. Siakam was the only guy that can consistently beat his own man one on one and get a good shot.

Siakam is a good but not great player, his totals are from high usage and I would trade him now while his value is high and before turning 29. Not worth the max, if he was great or worth a max deal then this team beats the 76ers

Siakam is another DD and there is zero chemistry with Siakam and Barnes, just Siakam d- k polishers worried we would need to trade him if things don't work work. OG and Barnes have much better chemistry, OG plays well off the ball and not ball dominant like Siakam

[Badonkadonk]

Siakam is another DD and there is zero chemistry with Siakam and Barnes, just Siakam d- k polishers worried we would need to trade him if things don't work work. OG and Barnes have much better chemistry, OG plays well off the ball and not ball dominant like Siakam

I mean, you're objectively wrong. Nobody had a more positive impact on Barnes' on-court game than Siakam:

https://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2022/04/29/pascal-siakam-and-scottie-barnes-solidified-their-partnership-under-the-playoff-lights/

That's in addition to Barnes specifically citing Pascal as somebody he's learning from towards the end of the season.

Your comparison with DD also makes no sense (unless you're brand new here). Siakam defends at an elite level, rebounds well and can hit from 3, where Demar is sub-300 on his career.

[TheBoi10]

They'll likely see how the Barnes/Siakam/Anunoby fit works next year.

It struggled this past year and was not effective. But I'm pretty sure they want to see it for 1 more year and then possibly make changes.

Siakam having the ball in his hands isn't necessarily a huge issue, it's that there is no ball movement and everything Is just stagnant iso play.

But that goes beyond Siakam and is a coaching issue.

It's a talent issue. Siakam was the only guy that can consistently beat his own man one on one and get a good shot.

Siakam is a good but not great player, his totals are from high usage and I would trade him now while his value is high and before turning 29. Not worth the max, if he was great or worth a max deal then this team beats the 76ers

Siakam is another DD and there is zero chemistry with Siakam and Barnes, just Siakam d- k polishers worried we would need to trade him if things don't work work. OG and Barnes have much better chemistry, OG plays well off the ball and not ball dominant like Siakam

Nah we don't have much on-ball talent. FVV and OG are really poor on-ball (literally the 2 worst ISO players in the league), FVV cause he's small and slow, OG cause he dribbles like a 5 year old. Barnes can't shoot, not a great first step, doesn't consistently draw fouls. GTJ can't create separation due to limited athleticism, thus his consistently tough jumpers.

[anotherhomer]

It's a talent issue. Siakam was the only guy that can consistently beat his own man one on one and get a good shot.

Siakam is a good but not great player, his totals are from high usage and I would trade him now while his value is high and before turning 29. Not worth the max, if he was great or worth a max deal then this team beats the 76ers

Siakam is another DD and there is zero chemistry with Siakam and Barnes, just Siakam d- k polishers worried we would need to trade him if things don't work work. OG and Barnes have much better chemistry, OG plays well off the ball and not ball dominant like Siakam

Nah we don't have much on-ball talent. FVV and OG are really poor on-ball (literally the 2 worst ISO players in the league), FVV cause he's small and slow, OG cause he dribbles like a 5 year old. Barnes can't shoot, not a great first step, doesn't consistently draw fouls. GTJ can't create separation due to limited athleticism, thus his consistently tough jumpers.

Tear it down. Rebuild. Tank /s

[youngRAPZ]

Siakam is another DD and there is zero chemistry with Siakam and Barnes, just Siakam d- k polishers worried we would need to trade him if things don't work work. OG and Barnes have much better chemistry, OG plays well off the ball and not ball dominant like Siakam

I mean, you're objectively wrong. Nobody had a more positive impact on Barnes' on-court game than Siakam:

https://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2022/04/29/pascal-siakam-and-scottie-barnes-solidified-their-partnership-under-the-playoff-lights/

That's in addition to Barnes specifically citing Pascal as somebody he's learning from towards the end of the season.

Your comparison with DD also makes no sense (unless you're brand new here). Siakam defends at an elite level, rebounds well and can hit from 3, where Demar is sub-300 on his career.

Lol this guy is insane and it doesn’t even make sense responding to him


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[TheBoi10]

Siakam is a good but not great player, his totals are from high usage and I would trade him now while his value is high and before turning 29. Not worth the max, if he was great or worth a max deal then this team beats the 76ers

Siakam is another DD and there is zero chemistry with Siakam and Barnes, just Siakam d- k polishers worried we would need to trade him if things don't work work. OG and Barnes have much better chemistry, OG plays well off the ball and not ball dominant like Siakam

Nah we don't have much on-ball talent. FVV and OG are really poor on-ball (literally the 2 worst ISO players in the league), FVV cause he's small and slow, OG cause he dribbles like a 5 year old. Barnes can't shoot, not a great first step, doesn't consistently draw fouls. GTJ can't create separation due to limited athleticism, thus his consistently tough jumpers.

Tear it down. Rebuild. Tank /s

Kinda...Siakam fits well with Scottie and is a real impact player on-ball, we should keep him. But it'd be a disaster to pay real star money to an aging FVV and $20 mill+ to GTJ. Masai and Bobby need to get on the phones.

[Madhouse]

Nah we don't have much on-ball talent. FVV and OG are really poor on-ball (literally the 2 worst ISO players in the league), FVV cause he's small and slow, OG cause he dribbles like a 5 year old. Barnes can't shoot, not a great first step, doesn't consistently draw fouls. GTJ can't create separation due to limited athleticism, thus his consistently tough jumpers.

Tear it down. Rebuild. Tank /s

Kinda...Siakam fits well with Scottie and is a real impact player on-ball, we should keep him. But it'd be a disaster to pay real star money to an aging FVV and $20 mill+ to GTJ. Masai and Bobby need to get on the phones.

Nothing will happen.

They will simply run it back and look to improve while knowing they have zero shot at a title without a superstar.