[Jake Fisher] The word surrounding OG Anunoby’s trade candidacy

[mademan]

hes absolutely shown flashes at being an on ball option. People see his size and flashes of shot making and its clear theres potential. Its tough for him when he goes large stretches of spacing the floor and then gets a random iso. Give him a year of a certain type of touches with consistency around him and he'll greatly improve. Will he be devin booker? no, but he can be a threat.

This guy cant dribble. At times, he can bully a smaller player in the post (which every NBA player can do, at times). He also hit a couple step back 3's throughout the season (at a very poor rate, iirc). That has been the extent of his flashes.

5 years in and cant dribble. No, he's not an on ball option. A guy like Mikal Bridges, who's shown much more in being able to pull up for mid range shots, isnt an even an on ball option. It's just not who he is, and you guys are setting weird expectations for him. He's a 3+D guy...thats who he is. You dont change who you are 5 years in

this is literally how kawhi scores

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in order

fast break
c+s 3
attack closeout
step back middy--awesome
bully ball in the post--ok
c+s 3
fast break
fadeaway middy--aweomse
c+s 3
roll to basket dunk
offensive board garbage points
step back 3-nice

And thats cherry picking one of OG's best games. His problem is that he cant create a good look for himself. It's great that you picked a game where he hit those step back jumpers, but every player in the league can put up step back jumpers. OG doesnt hit them at a good rate.

The video you posted literally shows OG cant create a decent look for himself. Having to take step back jumpers because you cant beat RJ Barrett off the dribble isnt exactly a ringing endorsement. Only the best players in the league can hit those looks consistently

[720]

Trade Fraud Vanvleet before OG.

[Courtside]

Seriously, what do you guys see in OG that i dont? Like i get he's a good player, but people thinking he'll ever be more than a 3+D guy (with few plays here and there that arent spot ups) is just crazy to me. Dude's been in the league 5 years and still cant dribble, he has zero explosion off the dribble and has 2 left feet/robotic/w.e tf it is that makes him fall when he makes a slight move on offense.

He has zero future as an actual on ball option. He's at the top of the range of what he does (3+D), but he's not gonna be more. He's not gonna wake up tomorrow and not be ridiculously robotic with handles. Thats not the way basketball works. You improve around the edges, and sometimes those improvements are huge (like Siakam), but you dont become a different player 5 years in.

3+D undersells him though.

Not all 3+D's have the versatility to guard 1-5 like OG can. OG can literally switch from Harden to Embiid and guard it effectively. There aren't many players in the NBA that can do that. OG is one of the few guys who can.

Offensively, he shoots 3s at volume which is very important in the modern NBA and over his career he's scored it efficiently.

Nobody think he's Kawhi, but his size/skillset is in demand around the league and his versatility allows him to play in any scheme or situation. He's the type of player that most championship teams have.

I didnt undersell him. I said he was at the top end of the range of his prototype (only bested by Mikal Bridges, imo). Im arguing against guys thinking he's something he isnt. He's not gonna be an on ball option; thats just no his game.

He doesn't have to be an on ball option. If anything, it's a luxury to have a guy as good as OG be a primary off ball option if your intention is to have Pascal, Scottie and maybe a guard be your on ball guys.

Hart is a decent player who puts up essentially 20/5/5 and could blossom here, and the 7 could grow into someone good, but that's not enough to move on from OG. They'd have to add a future protected 1st rounder for our 33, maybe, or a pick swap, then the deal is essentially fair, but that still doesn't mean we make the trade when you consider how good a fit OG is with what this team is doing.

It happens *only if* OG does have an open mind to being moved and has expressed that to the front office. At this point, we have no reason to believe he's either done so, or plans to. Nothing is impossible, though.

Hart would make Trent even more expendible, because you could probably extend Hart at OG/Trent like money ($18 mil AAV), while both Trent and OG will end up commanding more.

If you're a team with depth issues - which we are - then moving one guy for two with good contract control is very pragmatic roster management. I just think the guy we move is Trent, and not OG.

Further... people saying Trent's one year remaining is a bad thing, or that two more years would be better, well that can go both ways. With just one year left, the team that gets him would be re-signing him next summer, when the cap is closer to where it is now and before it's set to explode. You'd get him locked up at a better number next summer, as opposed to the following summer.

[LoveMyRaps]

Phoenix just finished the season with the best record in the NBA with Bridges as their third best player.

That should say enough about the importance of having a guy like OG on this team.

Just need him to stay healthy.
That’s a big ask though…

[OakleyDokely]

A lot of content was created today over a player who won't be dealt.

[Asif16]

Jake Fischer just went on a Podcast and said that OG smoke is all coming from Portland because they have been trying to get him like crazy in the past.

Makes a lot of sense now. Damian Lilliard apparently was advocating for OG heavy

[Raps in 4]

Phoenix just finished the season with the best record in the NBA with Bridges as their third best player.

That should say enough about the importance of having a guy like OG on this team.

Just need him to stay healthy.
That’s a big ask though…

Assuming Scottie continues to get better (and there is no reason to think he won't), and assuming Precious is our C of the future (the organization is very high on him, and it's easy to see why) one of OG or GTJ will need to move to the bench eventually. It's just a matter of whether or not they accept that role (I don't see OG complaining, but GTJ, or rather, Rich Paul, might).

[Asif16]

Fishcer also says Raptors interested in Ayton.

Along with the Blazers and Pistons

[WuTang_CMB]

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[tdotrep2]

This guy cant dribble. At times, he can bully a smaller player in the post (which every NBA player can do, at times). He also hit a couple step back 3's throughout the season (at a very poor rate, iirc). That has been the extent of his flashes.

5 years in and cant dribble. No, he's not an on ball option. A guy like Mikal Bridges, who's shown much more in being able to pull up for mid range shots, isnt an even an on ball option. It's just not who he is, and you guys are setting weird expectations for him. He's a 3+D guy...thats who he is. You dont change who you are 5 years in

this is literally how kawhi scores

Watch on YouTube

in order

fast break
c+s 3
attack closeout
step back middy--awesome
bully ball in the post--ok
c+s 3
fast break
fadeaway middy--aweomse
c+s 3
roll to basket dunk
offensive board garbage points
step back 3-nice

And thats cherry picking one of OG's best games. His problem is that he cant create a good look for himself. It's great that you picked a game where he hit those step back jumpers, but every player in the league can put up step back jumpers. OG doesnt hit them at a good rate.

The video you posted literally shows OG cant create a decent look for himself. Having to take step back jumpers because you cant beat RJ Barrett off the dribble isnt exactly a ringing endorsement. Only the best players in the league can hit those looks consistently

The problem is. every player in the league isnt 6'7 and has the size to back down almost any player in the league. He can get great positions on almost anyone, kawhi does this too. And early on OG was scoring like this every game. And the top players hit these shots consistently because they were provided the opportunity early on and eventually mastered this shot, to say og can become a weapon in these positions is crazy to me. "having to take step back jumpers because you cant beat RJ Barrett off the dribble isnt exactly a ringing endorsement." most tall wing players in the league take this shot on rj, trying to go around a guard vs trying to use your size? i mean what are we talking about

[WuTang_CMB]

Jake Fischer just went on a Podcast and said that OG smoke is all coming from Portland because they have been trying to get him like crazy in the past.

Makes a lot of sense now. Damian Lilliard apparently was advocating for OG heavy

ya as what I said this was all portland today.

they can take a hike

cronin is a rookie

[DreamTeam09]

hes absolutely shown flashes at being an on ball option. People see his size and flashes of shot making and its clear theres potential. Its tough for him when he goes large stretches of spacing the floor and then gets a random iso. Give him a year of a certain type of touches with consistency around him and he'll greatly improve. Will he be devin booker? no, but he can be a threat.

This guy cant dribble. At times, he can bully a smaller player in the post (which every NBA player can do, at times). He also hit a couple step back 3's throughout the season (at a very poor rate, iirc). That has been the extent of his flashes.

5 years in and cant dribble. No, he's not an on ball option. A guy like Mikal Bridges, who's shown much more in being able to pull up for mid range shots, isnt an even an on ball option. It's just not who he is, and you guys are setting weird expectations for him. He's a 3+D guy...thats who he is. You dont change who you are 5 years in

this is literally how kawhi scores

Watch on YouTube

I don't get why anyone would want to limit or stifle this type of game and or production. The goal of every team should be to acquire the most players possible who can do things like this. No1s asking OG to be 1st or 2nd option, but a lot y'all act like he's PJ tucker or Jae Crowder level

[Los_29]

Man we are in full off-season mode. I really love OG, but eventually it feels like he is the odd man out because he can't stay healthy.

These aren’t re occuring injuries. I wouldnt be worried about that. Hes not injury prone. Just cant get run into the ground

OG's playing style leads to injuries though. That's the only concern.

[WuTang_CMB]

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I highly doubt that. Masai seems elated with Precious, and with good reason. He showed a ton of promise this season. I don't see us handicapping roster flexibility by giving Ayton the max.

[WuTang_CMB]

Man we are in full off-season mode. I really love OG, but eventually it feels like he is the odd man out because he can't stay healthy.

These aren’t re occuring injuries. I wouldnt be worried about that. Hes not injury prone. Just cant get run into the ground

OG's playing style leads to injuries though. That's the only concern.

what's his style? he's a tough 2 way guy. He's not injury prone. He got ran into the ground this season just like FVV.

[tripa]

He can stay here and double down on what he's already good at. He hasn't shown that he has the balance or the playmaking ability to be a consistent scorer in this league.

If klutch really wants him to get traded just for a few extra PPG, that seems like a really bad move for his career. He's just not that guy.

siakam wasnt that guy, look at him in the philly series vs a few years ago. different players. Saying an increased role will only amount to a few more ppg's is nonsense. An increased role = practice at said role. He's absolutely shown flashes of being able to take people 1 on 1, he's shown more potential than siakam had in terms of bag at his age.

Seriously, what do you guys see in OG that i dont? Like i get he's a good player, but people thinking he'll ever be more than a 3+D guy (with few plays here and there that arent spot ups) is just crazy to me. Dude's been in the league 5 years and still cant dribble, he has zero explosion off the dribble and has 2 left feet/robotic/w.e tf it is that makes him fall when he makes a slight move on offense.

He has zero future as an actual on ball option. He's at the top of the range of what he does (3+D), but he's not gonna be more. He's not gonna wake up tomorrow and not be ridiculously robotic with handles. Thats not the way basketball works. You improve around the edges, and sometimes those improvements are huge (like Siakam), but you dont become a different player 5 years in.

Everyone on this board overrates our players. tdotrep comparing OG to Siakam is hilarious. OG hasn't shown any sign of having Siakam's skills or work ethic. He's also shown zero sign of being a good 1 on 1 player, which is completely fine, thats not his role, nor should it be.

[C_Money]

Jake Fischer just went on a Podcast and said that OG smoke is all coming from Portland because they have been trying to get him like crazy in the past.

Makes a lot of sense now. Damian Lilliard apparently was advocating for OG heavy

ya as what I said this was all portland today.

they can take a hike

cronin is a rookie

Why would he report that if the source is the Portland Trailblazers? What kind of sh*tty journalism is this?

[tdotrep2]

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I highly doubt that. Masai seems elated with Precious, and with good reason. He showed a ton of promise this season. I don't see us handicapping roster flexibility by giving Ayton the max.

ayton fits this team like a glove so why doubt it? The beautiful thing about precious is he can play the 4 and 5, him getting 15 minutes at center and 15 minutes at pf, 30 minutes a game as a lockdown defender that stretches' the floor is sufficient. If he gets even better he'll get even more minutes

[Asif16]

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I highly doubt that. Masai seems elated with Precious, and with good reason. He showed a ton of promise this season. I don't see us handicapping roster flexibility by giving Ayton the max.

Dumb way to look at it. You're getting a top 7 Center whos only 23 yrs old. They dont just grow on trees. Someone who can grow with your core.

Ayton has much more potential than Precious. Shouldn't even be comparable