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Post#261 » by HumbleRen » Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:05 pm

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HumbleRen wrote:Saying someone has the "IT" factor when the only playoff series W they have under their belt is a poverty Nets team is wild lol.

Pascal has been playing like a superstar so far but it's a whole different ball game in the playoffs, love what I'm seeing from him but he's gotta produce in the playoffs. I think/hope that he will this year.


I don't quite get it. Do we not count playoff wins if a guy is not the undisputed #1 player on his team? Does Scottie Pippen not have any rings? Did Kobe not have "IT" during his first 3 championships? Or Magic during his first 2?

I don't think it's really fair to say that Pascal has "only" one playoff series W when he had 32-8-5 in his first Finals game to give the Raps the series lead, and then 26-10-3 in the clinching game to help them to the championship. Seems pretty clear that he has a few more series wins than just the first round series against the Nets in 2020.



I think it's completely fair to withhold full judgement until we see him win some playoff series. Otherwise, there's a TON of guys who have that IT factor if we're going to throw it out so loosely.
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Post#262 » by lobosloboslobos » Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:10 pm

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aminiaturebuddha wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:Saying someone has the "IT" factor when the only playoff series W they have under their belt is a poverty Nets team is wild lol.

Pascal has been playing like a superstar so far but it's a whole different ball game in the playoffs, love what I'm seeing from him but he's gotta produce in the playoffs. I think/hope that he will this year.


I don't quite get it. Do we not count playoff wins if a guy is not the undisputed #1 player on his team? Does Scottie Pippen not have any rings? Did Kobe not have "IT" during his first 3 championships? Or Magic during his first 2?

I don't think it's really fair to say that Pascal has "only" one playoff series W when he had 32-8-5 in his first Finals game to give the Raps the series lead, and then 26-10-3 in the clinching game to help them to the championship. Seems pretty clear that he has a few more series wins than just the first round series against the Nets in 2020.



I think it's completely fair to withhold full judgement until we see him win some playoff series. Otherwise, there's a TON of guys who have that IT factor if we're going to throw it out so loosely.


this reminds me of one time years ago when a band i was in played a gig where the crowd went nuts and afterwards i ran into a local music critic while getting a beer and asked him what he thought and he said "I'm not convinced" and I thought 'who **** cares?"
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Post#263 » by WaltFrazier » Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:14 pm

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aminiaturebuddha wrote:
I don't quite get it. Do we not count playoff wins if a guy is not the undisputed #1 player on his team? Does Scottie Pippen not have any rings? Did Kobe not have "IT" during his first 3 championships? Or Magic during his first 2?

I don't think it's really fair to say that Pascal has "only" one playoff series W when he had 32-8-5 in his first Finals game to give the Raps the series lead, and then 26-10-3 in the clinching game to help them to the championship. Seems pretty clear that he has a few more series wins than just the first round series against the Nets in 2020.



I think it's completely fair to withhold full judgement until we see him win some playoff series. Otherwise, there's a TON of guys who have that IT factor if we're going to throw it out so loosely.


this reminds me of one time years ago when a band i was in played a gig where the crowd went nuts and afterwards i ran into a local music critic while getting a beer and asked him what he thought and he said "I'm not convinced" and I thought 'who **** cares?"


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Post#264 » by HumbleRen » Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:21 pm

lobosloboslobos wrote:
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aminiaturebuddha wrote:
I don't quite get it. Do we not count playoff wins if a guy is not the undisputed #1 player on his team? Does Scottie Pippen not have any rings? Did Kobe not have "IT" during his first 3 championships? Or Magic during his first 2?

I don't think it's really fair to say that Pascal has "only" one playoff series W when he had 32-8-5 in his first Finals game to give the Raps the series lead, and then 26-10-3 in the clinching game to help them to the championship. Seems pretty clear that he has a few more series wins than just the first round series against the Nets in 2020.



I think it's completely fair to withhold full judgement until we see him win some playoff series. Otherwise, there's a TON of guys who have that IT factor if we're going to throw it out so loosely.


this reminds me of one time years ago when a band i was in played a gig where the crowd went nuts and afterwards i ran into a local music critic while getting a beer and asked him what he thought and he said "I'm not convinced" and I thought 'who **** cares?"


So I'm assuming the band broke up and the critic was technically right ?

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Post#265 » by lobosloboslobos » Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:22 pm

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lobosloboslobos wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:

I think it's completely fair to withhold full judgement until we see him win some playoff series. Otherwise, there's a TON of guys who have that IT factor if we're going to throw it out so loosely.


this reminds me of one time years ago when a band i was in played a gig where the crowd went nuts and afterwards i ran into a local music critic while getting a beer and asked him what he thought and he said "I'm not convinced" and I thought 'who **** cares?"


Is this your band?
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lol afraid not

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Post#266 » by lobosloboslobos » Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:25 pm

HumbleRen wrote:
lobosloboslobos wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:

I think it's completely fair to withhold full judgement until we see him win some playoff series. Otherwise, there's a TON of guys who have that IT factor if we're going to throw it out so loosely.


this reminds me of one time years ago when a band i was in played a gig where the crowd went nuts and afterwards i ran into a local music critic while getting a beer and asked him what he thought and he said "I'm not convinced" and I thought 'who **** cares?"


So I'm assuming the band broke up and the critic was technically right ?

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every band breaks up. we played across canada though. had a blast. for a while we were #1 on the Canadian national college radio charts ahead of the Beastie Boys and some other famous bands. whoop dee doo.
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Post#267 » by HumbleRen » Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:27 pm

lobosloboslobos wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
lobosloboslobos wrote:
this reminds me of one time years ago when a band i was in played a gig where the crowd went nuts and afterwards i ran into a local music critic while getting a beer and asked him what he thought and he said "I'm not convinced" and I thought 'who **** cares?"


So I'm assuming the band broke up and the critic was technically right ?

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every band breaks up. we played across canada though. had a blast. for a while we were #1 on the Canadian national college radio charts ahead of the Beastie Boys and some other famous bands. whoop dee doo.


Didn't even know we had a national college radio lol, sounds like an enjoyable time though, good for yall.
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Post#268 » by lobosloboslobos » Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:30 pm

HumbleRen wrote:
lobosloboslobos wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
So I'm assuming the band broke up and the critic was technically right ?

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every band breaks up. we played across canada though. had a blast. for a while we were #1 on the Canadian national college radio charts ahead of the Beastie Boys and some other famous bands. whoop dee doo.


Didn't even know we had a national college radio lol, sounds like an enjoyable time though, good for yall.



I don't even think we have radio anymore, let alone radio charts, lol. but thanks. yep. loads a fun. apart from the times i really really wanted to open the car door and push my bandmates out onto the highway. like i said, every band breaks up.
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Post#269 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:44 pm

HumbleRen wrote:
aminiaturebuddha wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:Saying someone has the "IT" factor when the only playoff series W they have under their belt is a poverty Nets team is wild lol.

Pascal has been playing like a superstar so far but it's a whole different ball game in the playoffs, love what I'm seeing from him but he's gotta produce in the playoffs. I think/hope that he will this year.


I don't quite get it. Do we not count playoff wins if a guy is not the undisputed #1 player on his team? Does Scottie Pippen not have any rings? Did Kobe not have "IT" during his first 3 championships? Or Magic during his first 2?

I don't think it's really fair to say that Pascal has "only" one playoff series W when he had 32-8-5 in his first Finals game to give the Raps the series lead, and then 26-10-3 in the clinching game to help them to the championship. Seems pretty clear that he has a few more series wins than just the first round series against the Nets in 2020.



I think it's completely fair to withhold full judgement until we see him win some playoff series. Otherwise, there's a TON of guys who have that IT factor if we're going to throw it out so loosely.


this. so many thought Derozan had the it factor. nah.
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Post#270 » by aminiaturebuddha » Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:37 pm

HumbleRen wrote:
aminiaturebuddha wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:Saying someone has the "IT" factor when the only playoff series W they have under their belt is a poverty Nets team is wild lol.

Pascal has been playing like a superstar so far but it's a whole different ball game in the playoffs, love what I'm seeing from him but he's gotta produce in the playoffs. I think/hope that he will this year.


I don't quite get it. Do we not count playoff wins if a guy is not the undisputed #1 player on his team? Does Scottie Pippen not have any rings? Did Kobe not have "IT" during his first 3 championships? Or Magic during his first 2?

I don't think it's really fair to say that Pascal has "only" one playoff series W when he had 32-8-5 in his first Finals game to give the Raps the series lead, and then 26-10-3 in the clinching game to help them to the championship. Seems pretty clear that he has a few more series wins than just the first round series against the Nets in 2020.



I think it's completely fair to withhold full judgement until we see him win some playoff series. Otherwise, there's a TON of guys who have that IT factor if we're going to throw it out so loosely.


I have no problem with saying that we should withhold judgement on whether or not Pascal has the "it factor". As an ill-defined concept, I'm not sure I would give him that label yet either. I just think it's strange to base that on the factually incorrect statement that he's only won one playoff series.
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Post#271 » by pingpongrac » Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:27 pm

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
aminiaturebuddha wrote:
I don't quite get it. Do we not count playoff wins if a guy is not the undisputed #1 player on his team? Does Scottie Pippen not have any rings? Did Kobe not have "IT" during his first 3 championships? Or Magic during his first 2?

I don't think it's really fair to say that Pascal has "only" one playoff series W when he had 32-8-5 in his first Finals game to give the Raps the series lead, and then 26-10-3 in the clinching game to help them to the championship. Seems pretty clear that he has a few more series wins than just the first round series against the Nets in 2020.



I think it's completely fair to withhold full judgement until we see him win some playoff series. Otherwise, there's a TON of guys who have that IT factor if we're going to throw it out so loosely.


this. so many thought Derozan had the it factor. nah.


DeRozan's best series as a Raptor was either 27/3/5 on 53 TS% against Washington in 2018 or 23/3/4 on 56 TS% against Cleveland in 2016 while he had numerous poor showings and a couple of okay series. Siakam has already had a handful of series better than DeRozan's best in Toronto. He had 23/8/3 on 60 TS% against Orlando, 20/8/4 on 56 TS% against GSW and 23/7/6 on 56 TS% against Philly while he was at least decent in most other series. Not to mention he played a pivotal role in our Championship run, including the first and last games of the Finals especially.

It's pretty silly to hold one bad series in unfavourable conditions (Celtics in the bubble) and a very good series where we were undermanned against a contender (Sixers last year) against him while ignoring the great games/series he had as a #2 option in 2019. I don't know how people can say Siakam doesn't have at least a bit of an it factor when he showed up on the biggest stage of them all and has been playing at a top 10-15 level for the past 12 months.
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Post#272 » by HumbleRen » Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:38 pm

pingpongrac wrote:
LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:

I think it's completely fair to withhold full judgement until we see him win some playoff series. Otherwise, there's a TON of guys who have that IT factor if we're going to throw it out so loosely.


this. so many thought Derozan had the it factor. nah.


DeRozan's best series as a Raptor was either 27/3/5 on 53 TS% against Washington in 2018 or 23/3/4 on 56 TS% against Cleveland in 2016 while he had numerous poor showings and a couple of okay series. Siakam has already had a handful of series better than DeRozan's best in Toronto. He had 23/8/3 on 60 TS% against Orlando, 20/8/4 on 56 TS% against GSW and 23/7/6 on 56 TS% against Philly while he was at least decent in most other series. Not to mention he played a pivotal role in our Championship run, including the first and last games of the Finals especially.

It's pretty silly to hold one bad series in unfavourable conditions (Celtics in the bubble) and a very good series where we were undermanned against a contender (Sixers last year) against him while ignoring the great games/series he had as a #2 option in 2019. I don't know how people can say Siakam doesn't have at least a bit of an it factor when he showed up on the biggest stage of them all and has been playing at a top 10-15 level for the past 12 months.


Honestly this convo is dumb as hell since we're discussing an invisible concept lol.

We'll see what he does these upcoming playoffs.
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Post#273 » by wegotthabeet » Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:05 am

lobosloboslobos wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
aminiaturebuddha wrote:
I don't quite get it. Do we not count playoff wins if a guy is not the undisputed #1 player on his team? Does Scottie Pippen not have any rings? Did Kobe not have "IT" during his first 3 championships? Or Magic during his first 2?

I don't think it's really fair to say that Pascal has "only" one playoff series W when he had 32-8-5 in his first Finals game to give the Raps the series lead, and then 26-10-3 in the clinching game to help them to the championship. Seems pretty clear that he has a few more series wins than just the first round series against the Nets in 2020.



I think it's completely fair to withhold full judgement until we see him win some playoff series. Otherwise, there's a TON of guys who have that IT factor if we're going to throw it out so loosely.


this reminds me of one time years ago when a band i was in played a gig where the crowd went nuts and afterwards i ran into a local music critic while getting a beer and asked him what he thought and he said "I'm not convinced" and I thought 'who **** cares?"


and that band went on to be known as nickelback. you tell 'em.
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Post#275 » by Rapsin6 » Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:47 am

lobosloboslobos wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
lobosloboslobos wrote:
every band breaks up. we played across canada though. had a blast. for a while we were #1 on the Canadian national college radio charts ahead of the Beastie Boys and some other famous bands. whoop dee doo.


Didn't even know we had a national college radio lol, sounds like an enjoyable time though, good for yall.



I don't even think we have radio anymore, let alone radio charts, lol. but thanks. yep. loads a fun. apart from the times i really really wanted to open the car door and push my bandmates out onto the highway. like i said, every band breaks up.



Not all. Rush for one. There’s gotta be some others, no?
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Post#277 » by brownbobcat » Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:39 am

HumbleRen wrote:Honestly this convo is dumb as hell since we're discussing an invisible concept lol.

We'll see what he does these upcoming playoffs.

I don't think it's all that complicated and it mostly comes down to talent.

Many guys can play well against lesser opponents in the regular reason. The litmus test for a superstar is simple: can you still play your game when facing a very talented opponent that's 100% dialed into stopping you? Can you absorb all that pressure and attention so that secondary teammates have space to operate in? Most can't, that's what makes superstars rare. The "It" DeRozan lacked wasn't some big mystery, it was talent.
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Post#278 » by lobosloboslobos » Tue Nov 29, 2022 1:20 pm

Rapsin6 wrote:
lobosloboslobos wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
Didn't even know we had a national college radio lol, sounds like an enjoyable time though, good for yall.



I don't even think we have radio anymore, let alone radio charts, lol. but thanks. yep. loads a fun. apart from the times i really really wanted to open the car door and push my bandmates out onto the highway. like i said, every band breaks up.



Not all. Rush for one. There’s gotta be some others, no?


yeah there are a very small number of exceptions. Stones, Bad Seeds, and yes Los Lobos too. So maybe 99.99999% break up.
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Post#279 » by Young Moosehead » Tue Nov 29, 2022 1:45 pm

lobosloboslobos wrote:
Rapsin6 wrote:
lobosloboslobos wrote:

I don't even think we have radio anymore, let alone radio charts, lol. but thanks. yep. loads a fun. apart from the times i really really wanted to open the car door and push my bandmates out onto the highway. like i said, every band breaks up.



Not all. Rush for one. There’s gotta be some others, no?


yeah there are a very small number of exceptions. Stones, Bad Seeds, and yes Los Lobos too. So maybe 99.99999% break up.


From what my uncle told me, add a couple more 9s after that decimal. He was a music teacher/band front man around Canada playing dive bars for over 30 years. Over a dozen bands he was in barely made it beyond practice.

My cousin caught the bug. He has been more fortunate, he is in a band called Lucky Monkey, but they have been together for 5 years, and have found some success out in Kelowna.
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Post#280 » by Son Goku 25 » Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:08 pm

One area where I can say he's improved a lot and bodes well in the playoffs against tough teams is his playmaking. Seems like the game has slowed down for him and you can just tell the difference. He isnt running wild spinning everywhere and tossing up those jump hooks all the time.

It's clear he has more confidence in his shot making so if he can shoot a bit above avg we'll be alright since he's pretty unstoppable if his shot is falling. Crazy to think how much of a complete player he's become on both ends.

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